Bismark best tier 8 bb?

[Xerkics]

I got North Carolina Nagato and Tirpitz BB and lots of lower tier BBs and from what i seen so far is Bismark now the best tier 8 bb it seems to outclass both tirpitz and North carolina in terms of survivability and brawling power. Tirpitz  seems pretty bad in comparison now.

[VeteranGamer84]

Yup, Bismarck is the best T8 BB right now.

[Gojuadorai]

well yes and no

 

i'd say over all it is pretty much the best t8 for ranked. 

the NCA is like as good but more specialized, it can do better than the Bism. esp if a (competent) cv is present.

both ships might apeall to diffrent players though.

 

while not beeing bad the the amagi is simply worse than the other t8

and i cant see the rssian bt8 BB taking the place as worst  

 

funny thing is my stats in the tirpitz are way better than in the bism. 

 

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

Did liked bis , for 2ndarie mode , but amagi was a love

[SV_Kompresor]

I prefer NC but bismarck is good too

[Srle_Vigilante]

Nah its not, Way too weak armor and guns for a battleship, compared to a like NC imo at least.

[Spellfire40]

Nah its not, Way too weak armor and guns for a battleship, compared to a like NC imo at least.

 

​Depends on the Situation. In random it can be a beast but if you know ist weakness you can deal with pretty much anything.

[Gnomus]

I got North Carolina Nagato and Tirpitz BB and lots of lower tier BBs and from what i seen so far is Bismark now the best tier 8 bb it seems to outclass both tirpitz and North carolina in terms of survivability and brawling power. Tirpitz  seems pretty bad in comparison now.

 

Bolded part is true. Bismarck can take beating, and is very hard to citadel. It also have very good armament for brawling, high RoF high turnrate main guns and powerful secondary battery.

 

On long range battles Bismarck is weaker than others. NC bow first power is hard to break and it's AA is even better than Bismarck. Amagi is little weak on survivability but it's pure throwing power is biggest on T8 BB's. And of course Tirpitz lacks Bismarcks secondaries, but once battle goes to knife fight those torps are quite a "equalizer".

 

Bismarck is good, but it's not superior to others in general, just in brawling.

[Comrad_StaIin]

NC is stronger I think

it has lul what plane? AA

epic freedom catapults

troll Bow Armor

it turns on a dime

[Comodoro_Allande]

I tried both NC and Bismarck in PTS, but...  Amagi all the time 

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

A Bismarck with a 15 point captain fully equipped for secondaries is simply brutal. When top tier it's like being a God amongst weaklings. 

 

In seriousness I've played a lot of all T8 BB and they're all decent ships. Even the NC after the buffs

 

Bismarck is just easier to be effective in... A go to ship if I just want to see big damage.

[T_H_0_R]

I agree with Flamu, NC next to Bismarck is the current best T8 BB. Bismarck is better vs. DDs while NC is nearly untouchable by planes and that gun sigma 2.0 makes for some surgical precision if you know how to aim.

 

Lately, unless I derp around heavily I hardly ever have a game under 100k with NC. This was my last game today:

 

http://wowreplays.com/Replay/23150

[Poster_2015]

Well it really depends. In a straight 1v1 battle its a perfect triangle - Amagi beats Bismarck easily, NC beats Amagi and Bismarck beats NC. In randoms, Bismarcks are just most "self sufficient", other BBs need more support. On other hand the Bismarck firepower is really lacking, so if properly supported Amagi or NC are way superior. 

[Xerkics]

ITs funny cause i been grinding ijn line to finally get epic secondary on yamato and thought nagato had good secondary and then they make Bismark with same secondary range as yamato was like facespalming moment there. I had enough free xp to get Bismark though so will check it out next week since i already have a leveled captain from tirpitz.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Well it really depends. In a straight 1v1 battle its a perfect triangle - Amagi beats Bismarck easily, NC beats Amagi and Bismarck beats NC. In randoms, Bismarcks are just most "self sufficient", other BBs need more support. On other hand the Bismarck firepower is really lacking, so if properly supported Amagi or NC are way superior. 

 If a Bismarck can make it into range with a decent amount of HP it'll kill either of the other 2 T8 BB if heavily angled. The secondaries will give out enough DoT to whittle them down.

[Xerkics]

Bit of off topic question , i dont really want iowa or montana as i only grinded USN line for NC a ship i really enjoy but in terms of ijn and german lines how are tier 9 and 10 compared to izumo and Yamato? I heard Yamato is worse in comparison now is that true?  I tried Amagi on test and i didnt really like it compared to North Carolina and Nagato it feels like a downgrade so is it worth having to grind through amagi for Izumo and Yamato still as i dont really like how giant the tier 9 and 10 german ships are.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Amagi is great but an acquired taste, it isn't as well armoured as it's BB peers but hits hard. 

 

Izumo is bad, Yam actually plays similar to it. Big, fat, easily spotted and attracts a lot of attention.  Yam guns are extremely powerful but turn as slow as the Warspite's without the RN ship's agility. 

 

Maybe stay away from top tier BB. They're all big and slow. You really need to work around their huge size.

[Xerkics]

Amagi is great but an acquired taste, it isn't as well armoured as it's BB peers but hits hard. 

 

Izumo is bad, Yam actually plays similar to it. Big, fat, easily spotted and attracts a lot of attention.  Yam guns are extremely powerful but turn as slow as the Warspite's without the RN ship's agility. 

 

Maybe stay away from top tier BB. They're all big and slow. You really need to work around their huge size.

 

I meat that German tier 10 seems like twice the size of Yamato so must be hard to dodge torps etc

[Poster_2015]

Ill defend Amagi here a bit:

 

 If a Bismarck can make it into range with a decent amount of HP it'll kill either of the other 2 T8 BB if heavily angled. The secondaries will give out enough DoT to whittle them down.

 

Counting on closing in and staying at that perfect 8-10 km is a bit far fetched. Amagi has both advantage in firepower at every range (even more at long due to accuracy), and armor over Bismarck (now that armor i will elaborate more on later). It will win both if Amagi can stay at very far range, and when Amagi comes into very short range brawl. Amagi secondaries arent much worse then Bismarcks, so you not only need to stay inside your secondary range, but also outside of his.

 

 

 

Amagi is great but an acquired taste, it isn't as well armoured as it's BB peers but hits hard. 

 

Here it depends. The "myth" about Amagi not being armored comes from 2 things. 1st it was showing 254mm of armor vs 300+ of its peers in the old interface. 2nd it feels very squishy vs a North Carolina (before German BBs were introduced).

 

Now as for 1st thing with complete armor viewer you can see its 254 mm of just Belt armor, but there is another 54 mm well angled layer just behind that. Its not exactly turtleback, as in it wont autobounce shells, but its also thick enough to not be ignored and to add to the belt armor for generally equal armor value to its peers. 

 

For the 2nd, its tied directly to previous point. Due to geometry the extremely slow NC shells "lob" over belt and hit the angled plate at very favorable angle. NC has pretty easy time vs Amagi side armor and so actually do a lot of cruisers. Bismarck/Tirpitz on other hand , have it extremely hard to citadel or even damage Amagi at short range - you have to actually aim below waterline to even hope for a good damage. So Amagi armor is actually very reliable vs German BBs, and I have no problem showing broadside to them. In short, Amagi armor is very effective vs fast shells, and pretty weak vs slow ones - not universally weak as people make it to be. 

 

Amagi also has smallest superstructure out of the tier 8 BBs, making it very resilient to secondaries and non-citadel damage. When i was playing rankeds, I vastly preferred shooting anything over Amagi in my Bismarck . 

[Raziel_Walker]

I'd say the Bismarck is the most fun of the three to play but which is best depends on the map and team.

[Pte_Maylam]

As a (mainly) DD Driver, I'd say the Bismarck is the best. Its Secondaries are evil, and its hydro seems to reach out and detect even the shimakaze to somewhere beyond 5 or so km (when in smoke). Closing the range is what DDs need to do if they ever want to land more than one torpedo, but the hydro deletes smoke and then the secondaries rapidly mince you. The NC might win out in a straight 1 vs 1 Battleship fight, but the Bismarck is the most effective at breaking the advantages that a Destroyer has. It means I have to risk being shredded, or launch torpedos from range, and they are already quite easy to dodge as they are detectable from so far away], and that just widens the spread. That's my Tuppence worth, anyway.

[RobS80]

Personally I would prefer the secondary specced Bismarck. It is the only tier 8 BB I will keep from the normal ship lines.

[Clawgr]

Everything has its own play style, and to be fair i like each one of them.

Bismark = rng but those secondaries are quite hilarious how fast they can burn stuff. (It is suited most for Ranked).

NC = Very good ship on everything. It combines good defence (cause you can fully angle and keep 2/3 of ur gunpower) and that AA is massive (full AA spec every CV will pay (suited for everything)

Amagi = huge dmg outputs and quite good armor (feels you can bounce everything with average angle, but its hard to maintain being angled at all times)

 

As a Bismark though  you cant quite accomplish much if you don't brawl (its so inaccurate)

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Ill defend Amagi here a bit:

 

 

Counting on closing in and staying at that perfect 8-10 km is a bit far fetched. Amagi has both advantage in firepower at every range (even more at long due to accuracy), and armor over Bismarck (now that armor i will elaborate more on later). It will win both if Amagi can stay at very far range, and when Amagi comes into very short range brawl. Amagi secondaries arent much worse then Bismarcks, so you not only need to stay inside your secondary range, but also outside of his.

 

 

 

 

Here it depends. The "myth" about Amagi not being armored comes from 2 things. 1st it was showing 254mm of armor vs 300+ of its peers in the old interface. 2nd it feels very squishy vs a North Carolina (before German BBs were introduced).

 

Now as for 1st thing with complete armor viewer you can see its 254 mm of just Belt armor, but there is another 54 mm well angled layer just behind that. Its not exactly turtleback, as in it wont autobounce shells, but its also thick enough to not be ignored and to add to the belt armor for generally equal armor value to its peers. 

 

For the 2nd, its tied directly to previous point. Due to geometry the extremely slow NC shells "lob" over belt and hit the angled plate at very favorable angle. NC has pretty easy time vs Amagi side armor and so actually do a lot of cruisers. Bismarck/Tirpitz on other hand , have it extremely hard to citadel or even damage Amagi at short range - you have to actually aim below waterline to even hope for a good damage. So Amagi armor is actually very reliable vs German BBs, and I have no problem showing broadside to them. In short, Amagi armor is very effective vs fast shells, and pretty weak vs slow ones - not universally weak as people make it to be. 

 

Amagi also has smallest superstructure out of the tier 8 BBs, making it very resilient to secondaries and non-citadel damage. When i was playing rankeds, I vastly preferred shooting anything over Amagi in my Bismarck . 

 

I'm a big Amagi fan, higher average BB damage is using her and i consider her probably the best "pure" BB for main gun experience.

 

She's weaker armoured as she has no immunity zone unlike her USN and KM rivals, both of which have the lol frontal bounce zones. Awesome torp protection however, almost troll like in its reduction.

 

I've got no issues killing either ship when in the opposite number but for the average player, even someone better a Bismarck is easier to play well. 

 

Amagi needs more finesse to use and it's arguable the meta has shifted away from her. 10x16" guns don't get old in my eyes tho 

[LordFIG]

Ill defend Amagi here a bit:

 

 

Counting on closing in and staying at that perfect 8-10 km is a bit far fetched. Amagi has both advantage in firepower at every range (even more at long due to accuracy), and armor over Bismarck (now that armor i will elaborate more on later). It will win both if Amagi can stay at very far range, and when Amagi comes into very short range brawl. Amagi secondaries arent much worse then Bismarcks, so you not only need to stay inside your secondary range, but also outside of his.

 

 

 

 

Here it depends. The "myth" about Amagi not being armored comes from 2 things. 1st it was showing 254mm of armor vs 300+ of its peers in the old interface. 2nd it feels very squishy vs a North Carolina (before German BBs were introduced).

 

Now as for 1st thing with complete armor viewer you can see its 254 mm of just Belt armor, but there is another 54 mm well angled layer just behind that. Its not exactly turtleback, as in it wont autobounce shells, but its also thick enough to not be ignored and to add to the belt armor for generally equal armor value to its peers. 

 

For the 2nd, its tied directly to previous point. Due to geometry the extremely slow NC shells "lob" over belt and hit the angled plate at very favorable angle. NC has pretty easy time vs Amagi side armor and so actually do a lot of cruisers. Bismarck/Tirpitz on other hand , have it extremely hard to citadel or even damage Amagi at short range - you have to actually aim below waterline to even hope for a good damage. So Amagi armor is actually very reliable vs German BBs, and I have no problem showing broadside to them. In short, Amagi armor is very effective vs fast shells, and pretty weak vs slow ones - not universally weak as people make it to be. 

 

Amagi also has smallest superstructure out of the tier 8 BBs, making it very resilient to secondaries and non-citadel damage. When i was playing rankeds, I vastly preferred shooting anything over Amagi in my Bismarck . 

 

According to the The Bismarck 

 

Lack of historical detail like for ex. The Bismarck (armour belt is FAR less than historically) and biggest issue of all is the BIGGEST mistake is the amount of damage the BB's get from DD's and Cruisers...can you imagine that a ship like the great Kurfürst is completely stripped down by 1 or 2 DD's, this is INSANE. In real life a BB is not even damaged by 127mm Guns, let alone 5 or 6 inch Guns.

 

The armour belt around a 15-16 inch gun like with the Bismarck is around 50cm! HOW can a small DD shell penetrate this? The armour belt from the Bismarck is historically 36cm thick, even torpedoes can no do much damage....the game is so FAR off from the real thing like with the British line, it's really one big laughing circus, too bad Wargaming does NOT react to this! More and more gamers will be disappointed by this game and do not play anymore!