Hipper > Roon. Yet again I ask your highly valued advice

[Ferry_25]

The German cruiserline. Uptill the Hipper it was mwah, it's quite nice to play. Nothing too spectacular but I enjoyed grinding the line. Yorck was a bit of pain. But at least I can remember some epic games in it.

The Hipper: I know there are fans of it and haters. My topic is not about that. In my case I absolutely loath this ship. Heck it makes me even like Baltiless (uptil now my biggest hate ship) Did my research, watched YT CC movies and tried everything I could to make this ship function. I just couldn't. The only thing I did find positive about it is it's not that weak a ship: it can take a punch. Really I cannot remember 1 single epic match in it. But somehow I suffered through the grind and now I have researched the Roon. My point is: I am not motivated at all to buy it. And my question to the community is (both to pro and contra-Hipper/ Roon players): how does Roon compare with Hipper? Is it a completely different ship or a Hipper with 2 guns aft instead of front?

[Vanhal]

Roon fixes the weakest part of the Hipper: the incredibly puny strike power. It have one gun more, but the reload with module is 8.8 second iirc. A world of difference. Rest of the ship is more or less the same, which means good.

[deadly_if_swallowed]

I don't think you can actually compare Roon to Hipper that well. Just take her as a Nürnberg on steroids.

If you like Hipper's guns, just wait for Roon's upgraded turrets (which are Hindenburg guns) and stack that with the reload mod. German AP railguns with 8.8 seconds reload, no dispersion.

 

Armorwise, Roon felt a bit tankier than Hipper to me, but her turret setup encourages kiting and sniping more so that could be the whole trick. Roon can push okayishly but her turrets limit her versatility at times. And you have less torps than Hipper in case you actually get that close.

[Ferry_25]

That's 1 of the points: I don't like Hippers guns... Bounces, shellcracks or the mysterious "pen but no dam" hits. Regardless what angle, where I aim I can't seem to do damage in most of the cases.

[XbodzioXplX]

I just hated Hipper.

You know 8 tier, at 10 tier matches.

And I just cannot suit me.

 

Went into Roon. 1 turrent in front, 2 at the end... I thought "it will be hard again".

But after 10 games I just loved Roon. One of my fav ships.

 

My strategy - rush near cap. Then hard turn and reversing. Wiggle a lot, tank, and try to force others to follow you. Bait them.

Anyway. Just make it. Just take this pain as a man. Hindenburg is there!

[deadly_if_swallowed]

That's 1 of the points: I don't like Hippers guns... Bounces, shellcracks or the mysterious "pen but no dam" hits. Regardless what angle, where I aim I can't seem to do damage in most of the cases.

 

Huh, that's strange. Just yesterday I took Hipper for some spins again, and citadelled an Amagi at 14 km a couple of times. Non-pens usually occur if you hit a BB's lower belt at 17 km. Good hits to superstructure can hit for 5-9k without much trouble.

 

Then again, she may just be a "cursed ship" for you Just as Murmansk is for me.

[Viktor_Lima]

Having just finished my matches in Roon for the Hindenburg, I can safely assure you that Roon is a completely different ship from Hipper. It is much more tanky and the guns pack very strong AP power even vs badly angled battleships. The repair party works wonders together with the good HP pool to keep you in the battle and now you can let fires burn just as on BB and repair up later. Roon can go in angled against battleships and survive going for a point blank torp drop.

 

If the ship actually hat two turrets up front I would consider her blatantly overpowered at T9, but as it is your aggression potential is limited by the configuration. As in any cruiser it's location, location, location. Pick your fights, know your way out and only commit, once you know it's worth it. I can only say: Go for it and you won't be disappointed.

[Ferry_25]

Then again, she may just be a "cursed ship" for you Just as Murmansk is for me.

 

That might actually very well be the case! I've had the same thing in Colorado and Farragut. People shouting "it's fantastic" while I have the feeling the quickest way to bring down a red is to wait untill it is rusted to crumbles... And even more strangely: when I take out those past "cursed" ships I perform wonderful in them! Maybe because the "psycholical grind stress" is off. Thanks for that input.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

roon is very good specialy if u have ce mod and ce skill

[Jhase]

I like it much more than Hipper, hitting power is great. I don't really play it anymore, but that's more because of the high tier BB heavy meta than the ship itself.

[Ryuuteimaru]

Hipper was ok nothing special, Roon however is a piece of crap.

[Comrad_StaIin]

I dont know why but Roon is just so much better than the Hipper mainly because of the Reload 

the rest of the ship stays mostly the same the AA even gets a bit worse I think because no Bofors anymore

[Namolis]

 

Hipper was ok nothing special, Roon however is a piece of crap.

 

Huh? Roon is so much better, it's not even funny. First, you get heal (which you badly need). Second, you get one more gun. Third, your reload is better. Fourth, you get access to either the range or reload module, depending on preference. I don't care if the MM is harder, you are still a much better ship tier for tier.

[Ryuuteimaru]

 

 

Huh? Roon is so much better, it's not even funny. First, you get heal (which you badly need). Second, you get one more gun. Third, your reload is better. Fourth, you get access to either the range or reload module, depending on preference. I don't care if the MM is harder, you are still a much better ship tier for tier.

 

Nope I'd take the hipper over the Roon any day of the week.

[Ferry_25]

Thanks for the input. I see there is no consensus in opinions. That's ok. I have researched Roon but I didn't buy it yet. I've parked the KM cruiserline for the moment. I highly enjoy the BB line and the Russian cruisers. So I'll focus my effort there. Also I'm hoping there will be some more premium German cruisers for captain training and diversity. For (I hope) obvious reasons I'm not considering the Prinz Eugen. The only other prem cruiser I have is Emden. As much as I love that ship and going in lower tier battles once in a while (yes, to sealclub but also for the wonderful absolute chaos those battles are bringing with them!) it's IMO not a "fast capt XP grinder."

 

Edit: I only now found out the upcoming graf Spee will be a cruiser. I thought it was a BB...

[TuckerLT]

Hipper>Roon for me. Hipper felt way more stronger than Roon does, probaby even my Takao feels less vulnarable than "every hit to you is cita" Roon. from all of T9 Cruisers i fear Roon lees than others even playing with lower tier ships. Sure, be in 12km range and showing your broadside to Roon is bad idea,  but again you can rape that Roon like no tomorrow also. The only option you have is sailing 17-16km from target and non stop shooting with hopes that BBs wont target you. Gonna sell it the same minute i unlock T10

 

[ollonborre]

Roon is just a fantastic ship compared to the Hipper. It's just a handsdown upgrade in every way, and I almost consider replacing my Hindenburg with it. Pretty tanky, suprisingly good secondaries, excellent guns, good AA, fantastic Hydro and pretty mobile. Hipper was alright, but the Roon just blows it out of the water, no contest.

[CLyDeThaMonKeY]

The Roon fixes everything the Hipper was bad at. I loved my Roon. Sold it for the Hindenburg tho

If I didnt get a 100k damage game in that ship, I was dissapointed. Hands down my favourite T9 cruiser

 

[RandomsAreStupid]

Played all the T9 Cruisers but the neptune and I find the Roon by far the worst of the bunch, average 40k damage vs 70-80k average on the other T9's.

 

Bad concelment and maneuverability make it a easy target for battleships, the guns yes they accurute but and this is a very big but those gun relies on the enemy been stupid to allow you to do any real damage as the HE performance is appalling probably the worsy I've seen on any ship most shots breaking up doing no damage with fires few and far between.

 

 

[ollonborre]

Played all the T9 Cruisers but the neptune and I find the Roon by far the worst of the bunch, average 40k damage vs 70-80k average on the other T9's.

 

Bad concelment and maneuverability make it a easy target for battleships, the guns yes they accurute but and this is a very big but those gun relies on the enemy been stupid to allow you to do any real damage as the HE performance is appalling probably the worsy I've seen on any ship most shots breaking up doing no damage with fires few and far between.

 

 

 

Hard to rely on what you say since you use an alternative account but whatever.

 

Granted I have not played any of the other tier 9 cruisers on the live server, but from what I have seen/learned/faced the Roon does not need to rely on others being stupid, since you have tools to get around it. With concealment expert and modules you drop to around 10 km detection, giving you a ton of options, and with strong AP, fast RoF, turtleback (altough weak) and not that bad HE allowing you to wreck people up close. And offcourse you have the already mentioned great Hydro, secondaries and even torps to allow you to ruin stuff up close.

[Siekam]

and I almost consider replacing my Hindenburg with it.

 

But.... why? Don't get me wrong, I love the Roon... But I'm definitly IN love with the Hindenburg.... That extra turret, the extra pair of torptubes, they make the difference. I once sailed in between two enemy BB's, both around 1/2 left, around 5 or 6 km away from me. I was getting pounded by their secondaries but I got all my torps off and sank them both. Then I was able to repair back to half my HP. Never had that kind of amazing opportunities in any other ship (maybe Fiji)...

 

My point being, trading Hindenburg for Roon feels to me like trading your motorcycle for a bicycle.

Unless it's because of the high maintance costs of T10...

[Blinks]

I have also played every tier 9 cruiser bar the Neptune and, in fact, show my account.

 

The Roon is the best tier 9 cruiser. In fact i'd go so far as to say to stick with it and not bother with the Hindenburg.

 

going through the others.

 

Baltimore - It's... usuable... but to use it's guns you've got to be pushing and with all the BB damage at tier 9 that's very dangerous.

Ibuki - Basically an upgraded Myoko and while the Myoko is a fine ship by tier 9 it's a little long in the tooth. Play HE sniper all day long.

Neptune - I've not got it but i can't imagine it's much different from the other ships in the line. Vicious damage if positioned right, Sod all if not.

Dmitri - Possibly my second favourite, though to be fair i'd been playing for a long time by then and new what i was doing. Better HE, AP is kinda....

 

Basically the Roon is the best of the lot, rear turrets let you pull back and still do good damage when it's getting much to hot. The fire rate is marvellous and the damage obscene. Essentially you play ambush and delete other ships before they know your there, then run off going "wub wub wub wub wub" as their friends try and get vengeance.

[Ferry_25]

Wow Blinks: that actually raises an eyebrow... I hihgly like Dm Dom as well. Also learned to love Ibuki. Took me a while but I like the ship. Baltiless... I always feel guilty when taking out that boat (sorry, I can't muster up the strength to call that a ship). And I haven't bothered to start with the RN line at all. Did 1 match in the Swan. And then I've seen it already. Looking at their performance in battle: I think they are a joke. Waiting behind an island the whole match, hoping someone will forget him and they can rain hell on you. That's it. I don't even run in a DD when facing a Rn cruiser but head into a knife fight with pleasure. Minotaur maybe being the only exception to that. Still haven't bought Roon though. I am in no rush whatsoever. But your comment made me a bit more curious...

[Bmsrt]

Loved the Hipper,rage-sold the Roon...probably not the ships fault...

But...35%Wr over 42 games???

Im not a [edited]Bot-macro/Afk person,leave me alone...

My Ibuki grind is started similary,and ended up whit LESS Avg-Dmg(but,54%Wr),tham my Roon-carrier,and Roon-AP,not so healable than the Ibuki's HE-spam+fires,i guess.

(Roon>Ibuki 66Kvs65)

Hipper ended up 64%Wr over 102 games...just dont know...

Still got the captian(jumpig between Tirpitz&Scharnhorst),mayyybee I will rebuy it if a sale hits the game,and give it another chance,i soo wanted to stop the line on the Roon...

(not interested in the Hindenburg,like at all...)

[ollonborre]

My point being, trading Hindenburg for Roon feels to me like trading your motorcycle for a bicycle.

Unless it's because of the high maintance costs of T10...

The Roon felt more comfortable to play. The static tier 10 gameplay is generally terrible, so dropping to tier 9-8 makes it more enjoyable atleast for me. And the Roon feels more powerful for its tier than the Hindenburg does, with just a bit less firepower, better secondaries (that I weirdly had great sucess with), better camo, still strong AA and while you got less torps I never really used the torps a lot in the Roon anyways.