Brit CA producing one ball of smoke only

[Mik1984]

Its a frustrating feature that brit CA produces only one ball of smoke if you smoke while slowing down.

 

You hit full astern, you pop smoke, the smoke starts puffing, a ball exists after 2 seconds, 7 seconds later the smoke is out. And what? Only one ball has been produced and you stand exposed outside the smoke.

This is highly frustrating. it should be made sure that brit CA produce two balls of smoke at least. The distance from the center of a ball of smoke that you have to travel in order to initiate the another ball of smoke should be decreased in order to make sure that that second ball is popped.

 

Other mechanic could be to lessen the time for a ball to materialize to one second, that means the ball of smoke materializes whenever you are at 6s in of smoke.

Or just add +1s to the duration of brit smoke.

Or FIX THAT crap any way you choose, because its a hard to control frustrating mechanic. It causes a ridiculous situation, where you can get yourself fully covered when popping smoke at full speed, but when you pop smoke at a little less than full speed, you will only get a single ball of smoke, and that ball will not be enough to cover your stopping distance.

[ColonelPete]

They produce two balls. You have to be a bit faster to do that.

[Mik1984]

They produce two balls. You have to be a bit faster to do that.

 

They produce even 3 or 4 balls, the problem is that you can make a full smoke stop from full speed, but you can't make a smoke stop when you are less than 80% speed. If you are at 40% speed, you will smoke stop in a single ball, if you are at more than 80% speed, you will smoke stop into 2-3 balls, but if you are at 40%-80% speed, you will produce a single ball, and you will fail to stop inside its radius.

[Kais_S012]

If Im honest when Im using my Brit Cruisers I don't bother with smoke anymore,  I use the spotter plane and sail like the helmsman's had more than his daily rum allocation!

that range extension has won the day (last second cap resets to win on timer/points and long ranged sinking shots) for me several times.

[Isitari]

I've noticed this can happen very occasionally when slowing down in my Belfast. One of the supertesters said that he had found a bug where if you slow from ~27knots it can produce this bug of only one smoke cloud. 

[Mik1984]

I've noticed this can happen very occasionally when slowing down in my Belfast. One of the supertesters said that he had found a bug where if you slow from ~27knots it can produce this bug of only one smoke cloud. 

 

Does WG consider it a "bug", or in some ham-fisted way they consider it a "feature"?

[Vanhal]

Happen most of the times with both Leander and Belfast. I assume this is bug, because sometimes it produces 2 circles like it should.

[vortenus]

I've noticed that optimal speed for popping a smoke while slowing down is around 20 kts. It'll give you 2 circles and you'll stop in smoke.

 

If Im honest when Im using my Brit Cruisers I don't bother with smoke anymore,  I use the spotter plane and sail like the helmsman's had more than his daily rum allocation!

that range extension has won the day (last second cap resets to win on timer/points and long ranged sinking shots) for me several times.

 

Interesting. How about making your stats public so we can judge this tactic?

[beercrazy]

thought wg already admitted its a bug and they are already looking into it

some super testers have already replicated this problem but as all things to do with wg and patches it will be put right when they are ready

[moomoo2]

I've noticed that optimal speed for popping a smoke while slowing down is around 20 kts. It'll give you 2 circles and you'll stop in smoke.

 

 

Interesting. How about making your stats public so we can judge this tactic?

Hiding your stats means you can lie all you want and not have to worry about being found out.

[Kais_S012]

Interesting. How about making your stats public so we can judge this tactic?

 

What is there to 'judge'? I offered a alternate ship configuration and tactic (spotter plane and play aggresively) that has worked out well enough for myself in PvP. It's down to the players to test out the setup to see if it works for themselves if they find what I've shared interesting. if it works for then it works if it doesnt then they are not obligated to continue using it

 

The reason I keep my stats hidden is because certain people think they have the authority and divine right to 'judge' other players due to having a little bit of blue or purple on their 3rd party stat sheets or the number of games they've played.

 

So... what gives you the right to 'judge' my opinion and personal experience?

[Syrchalis]

 

So... what gives you the right to 'judge' my opinion and personal experience?

I won't judge your strategy, because I haven't tried it, but the stat judging thing is simply means of efficiency.

 

When I read a guide in LoL I check who wrote it, because when I figure out how good the player is who wrote it I can look at it with different eyes. If he is really good, then I will take what he says seriously and not deviate much from it. If the author is considerably lower than me in rank, I will still consider what he wrote, because he might be onto something, but I will generally trust my common sense more and disregard what he wrote rather than just blindly trust his decisions.

 

Hiding your stats robs people from judging your strategy properly. How do you define success? If you are a 50% winrate player, you maybe consider 53% winrate in your ship a success. Maybe 40.000 average damage is a lot to you in a T7 cruiser. No one can know. So if people get upset about hidden stats in that case, it's understandable.

[Yorkie_GBR]

The disappointment on my face when I realised there was not a new British CA coming as a premium that I had some how missed, almost expecting, no, hoping that it would be a York Class.

 

 

Only to be let down when I realised you actually mean CL...

 

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[moomoo2]

 

What is there to 'judge'? I offered a alternate ship configuration and tactic (spotter plane and play aggresively) that has worked out well enough for myself in PvP. It's down to the players to test out the setup to see if it works for themselves if they find what I've shared interesting. if it works for then it works if it doesnt then they are not obligated to continue using it

 

The reason I keep my stats hidden is because certain people think they have the authority and divine right to 'judge' other players due to having a little bit of blue or purple on their 3rd party stat sheets or the number of games they've played.

 

So... what gives you the right to 'judge' my opinion and personal experience?

You hate your stats, so you hide them. There is no other reason why you would do that.

Just make them visible and stop being ridiculous.

No-one is going to laugh or poke you with a stick, but it gives a good idea of how sensible your statements are.

[vortenus]

 

What is there to 'judge'? I offered a alternate ship configuration and tactic (spotter plane and play aggresively) that has worked out well enough for myself in PvP. It's down to the players to test out the setup to see if it works for themselves if they find what I've shared interesting. if it works for then it works if it doesnt then they are not obligated to continue using it

 

So, you're saying you're stripping the ship of its best asset and expect it to perform better? And "spotter plane and play aggresively". Say what? How exactly is this work? Are you aggresively shooting from max distance? Violently campig BB style? Because you'd be dead in a second if you try smthing else. I can offer also alternate tactics on other ships. Like demo expert on BB's, exper loader on CV. I'll bet they're as good as youre "spotter plane on RN CL's tactic" 

 

The reason I keep my stats hidden is because certain people think they have the authority and divine right to 'judge' other players due to having a little bit of blue or purple on their 3rd party stat sheets or the number of games they've played.

 

On the second tought. Keep them hidden. I think I already know what they are on RN CL's

 

So... what gives you the right to 'judge' my opinion and personal experience?

 

Because apart from you there are 11 other ppl who are on the disadvantage due to your "tactic". Something tells me its as viable as BB's sniping from max distance or DD's spaming torps from 15 km.

 

But please, prove me wrong. I'll happily take back everything i wrote here as soon as you show me that spotting plane lets you perform better then smoke on RN CL's.

 

[beercrazy]

 

So, you're saying you're stripping the ship of its bread and butter end expect it to perform better? And "spotter plane and play aggresively". Say what? How exactly is this work? Are you aggresively shooting from max distance? Violently campig BB style? Because you'd be dead in a second if you try smthing else. I can offer also alternate tactics on other ships. Like demo expert on BB's, exper loader on CV. I'll bet they're as good as youre "spotter plane on RN CL's tactic" 

 

 

On the second tought. Keep them hidden. I think I already know what they are on RN CL's

 

 

Because apart from you there are 11 other ppl who are on the disadvantage due to your "tactic". Something tells me its as viable as BB's sniping from max distance or DD's spaming torps from 15 km.

 

But please, prove me wrong. I'll happily take back everything i wrote here as soon as you show me that spotting plane lets you perform better then smoke on RN CL's.

 

 

harsh but one of the most honest answers I have seen

[Ferry_25]

No OP that's not true. Only for 50% of the time. The rest they stay behind rocks. I really can't imagine how thrilling it must be to play them. Neither do I care to find out.

 

[cro_pwr]

No OP that's not true. Only for 50% of the time. The rest they stay behind rocks. I really can't imagine how thrilling it must be to play them. Neither do I care to find out.

 

Oh trust me, its more thrilling then you'd like (and I played trough USN and Russian cruiser line, that are basicly floating citadels).

You see big AP shells going your way, and you just say to your self: "Oh, I'm dead."

You can literary press back to port before BB shells even hit you, because you know the outcome (talking about low tiers now)

[vortenus]

No OP that's not true. Only for 50% of the time. The rest they stay behind rocks. I really can't imagine how thrilling it must be to play them. Neither do I care to find out.

 

I'd say they are most thrilling ships in game at the moment

Its simple "high risk high reward" situation. If you're unlucky or you fu*k something up its bye, bye. But if you know what to do and you didnt offend RNGesus with anything lately they're absolute beasts.

But maybe, i'm playing them wrong and with spotting plane they're even better

[Kais_S012]

You hate your stats, so you hide them. There is no other reason why you would do that.

Just make them visible and stop being ridiculous.

No-one is going to laugh or poke you with a stick, but it gives a good idea of how sensible your statements are.

 

I couldn't give a damn about my stats, a game is a game. If your personal performance is taking precedence over having fun then its high time to take a extended break from the game.

as far as I am concerned personal stats are for your own eyes only.

but I'll make 'em public, if anything you can have a giggle at my Battleship stats... they ARE terrible! (im not kidding, I just cant battleship!)

 

 

So, you're saying you're stripping the ship of its best asset and expect it to perform better? And "spotter plane and play aggresively". Say what? How exactly is this work? Are you aggresively shooting from max distance? Violently campig BB style? Because you'd be dead in a second if you try smthing else. I can offer also alternate tactics on other ships. Like demo expert on BB's, exper loader on CV. I'll bet they're as good as youre "spotter plane on RN CL's tactic" 

 

On the second tought. Keep them hidden. I think I already know what they are on RN CL's

 

Because apart from you there are 11 other ppl who are on the disadvantage due to your "tactic". Something tells me its as viable as BB's sniping from max distance or DD's spaming torps from 15 km.

 

But please, prove me wrong. I'll happily take back everything i wrote here as soon as you show me that spotting plane lets you perform better then smoke on RN CL's.

 

 

I didnt say stripping smoke makes it work better, I said that playing without smoke and using the spotter plane was working for me and offered that if they are struggling to make use of smoke or find that tactic (smoke camping) not to their tastes (i find it very boring) then you are not obligated to use smoke and that trying the other equipment modules is a viable experimentation.

 

so kindly get off your high horse. trying to bully and troll another player over his opinion differing from your own is quite frankly pathetic

[Yoshi_EU]

Britsh CA deploy always 1 Smoke unless you go lower than <15knts during the smoke activation time, then it will deploy a second smoke.

 

So if you activate smoke and go faster than 15knts (this number is just from expirence) you will only deploy 1 cloud.

 

I do not get the reason for them doing that though.

[vortenus]

 

I didnt say stripping smoke makes it work better, I said that playing without smoke and using the spotter plane was working for me and offered that if they are struggling to make use of smoke or find that tactic (smoke camping) not to their tastes (i find it very boring) then you are not obligated to use smoke and that trying the other equipment modules is a viable experimentation.

 

so kindly get off your high horse. trying to bully and troll another player over his opinion differing from your own is quite frankly pathetic

 

I'm not trying to bully you and i am not trolling, far from it. And its not about opinion, its about facts.

 

Like I said by stripping yourself from one thing that makes RN CL's amasing you're making the game 11 vs 12. Because lets be honest all you can do to others  with your spotting plane is scratch them  a little. And i said, you can go full HE with BB or full AP on IJN CA's Hell you can even build your IJN DD like a gunboat. But all of it is stupid, useless and its hurting 11 other ppl in your team by wasting their time. Just because your "fu*k it, i'm playing how i like" attitude. You're not doin anything so someone else has to try twice as hard.

That kind of player is what i hate in any online game. Purposely doing something wrong by crippling your team and refusing to acknowledge that.

 

If you dont like shooting from smoke why playing line that has to do it to perform? Go play IJN, or USN CA. No smoke there.

[Kais_S012]

Like I said by stripping yourself from one thing that makes RN CL's amasing you're making the game 11 vs 12. Because lets be honest all you can do to others  with your spotting plane is scratch them  a little. And i said, you can go full HE with BB or full AP on IJN CA's Hell you can even build your IJN DD like a gunboat. But all of it is stupid, useless and its hurting 11 other ppl in your team by wasting their time. Just because your "fu*k it, i'm playing how i like" attitude. You're not doin anything so someone else has to try twice as hard.

That kind of player is what i hate in any online game. Purposely doing something wrong by crippling your team and refusing to acknowledge that.

 

If you dont like shooting from smoke why playing line that has to do it to perform? Go play IJN, or USN CA. No smoke there.

 

as I said before having that sudden range boost to 'scratch' a enemy ship in the cap circle or finish off a fleeing ship has won several very close games for me. I tend to operate around 8-10km away from the enemy normally, that range I find it about right to be a tricky enough to hit when taking hard maneuvers and i can use torps to force the enemy to evade and disrupt their gunnery, at Tier 7 the spotter has just been more useful to me.

 

so i could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time). the more i use the spotter plane I might start questioning why im using it (far too situational to be efficient especially when i unlock the Tier 8 and start facing 10+km secondaries) and go back to finding ways to integrate smoke use into my play style.

 

there is more than one way to skin a cat, surely there has to be more than one way to play a British cruiser other than sitting in a cloud of Cuba's finest all match long.

[vortenus]

 

as I said before having that sudden range boost to 'scratch' a enemy ship in the cap circle or finish off a fleeing ship has won several very close games for me.

And how many times you find yourself in this situations?

 

We're getting nowhere here i see.

Like i said. Show your stats, prove that spotting plane is viable thing. Or better yet, post some replay. I ąm very, very curious how your playstyle looks.

If not, EOT from my side. Hope we never end up in same team

[albinbino]

When i use smoke in Leander it seems everyone is in the smoke except me .  Anyway, will not bother much about this, the grind to Fiji is not far.