Tier 8 MM changed and what is it with the constant Bastion?

[_FTD_]

So, I do these kind of posts very rarely because I don't like assumptions at all, so it took me about 20 Days to gather these information because I wanted a proper sample size and not just 15 games.

 

100 TierVIII games 

- 18 games were TierVIII and below

- 16 games were TierIX

- 66 games were TierX

 

While I know that it could have been just bad luck it seems very suspicious, did anyone experience something similiar? I met Tuccy in game yesterday and I was asking him about it, he just answered "might be because of the event" which would be a plausible argument but his is going on for way too long now... the other argument could be that more people play high tiers now but wouldn't that mean that the player from the lower tier also move up to the mid/high tier transition which is t7-8? My honest opinion is that the MM got tweaked so people play vs high tiers more often, might be that I'm paranoid but this way WG forces people to get to a higher tier themselves to have better odds of winning the game .

 

 

Second statistic is about Bastion, this is something I and some other  OMNI member were experiencing in the last 2 weeks.

 

75 TierX games

- 32 games were on Bastion

 

This is a crazy amount... the game mode is the worst by far on one of the worst maps, it is literally no fun to sail 5 mins from one side of the map to the other while the points tick faster than on any other domination mode... make Bastion domination/standard again while cutting the useless open areas out and we may have a good map...

 

Just my 2Cent of WoWs lately, let me know if you experienced something like this too 

 

 

-Peace

[creamgravy]

Lot's of people playing T9-10 for that cartoon mission?

 

Increased Bastion rotation for more data?

[_FTD_]

Lot's of people playing T9-10 for that cartoon mission?

 

Increased Bastion rotation for more data?

The mission isn't running since 3-4 weeks though.

[shamelesscreature]

Regarding T8 being bottom tier in 2 out of 3 games, I'm currently grinding the Edinburgh and noticed the same. 

 

Other than that, I play only T10 and (fortunately) haven't had an extraordinary amount of Bastion games. 

[lup3s]

I don't feel like I'm getting this kind of MM at T8.. more at T5 or T6 (i.e. 2 out of 3 games you're bottom tier with 2-tier spread).

 

I do get a lot of Bastion when playing T8 .. certainly not as much you (almost 50-50 ) but more than I used to.

I don't really like that game mode so I'd be happy if we could opt out

[Michey802]

Yes i have noticed this too, when i play t7 or t8 im always against the max tier.

Especially supricing since t7 used to be the top tier most of the time.

I do think the ARP event is the reason though.
 

[Calador01]

I have noticed the same.

If I had to guess why this is happening, I would say a combination of the T10 Premiumcamos, enabling a lot of players to play T10 alot more, and the ARP event.

[Kartoffelmos]

What ship(s) did you play? I have a suspicion that you get thrown into a lot of tier X games as a cruiser since you need to fill up slots due to the current low CA/CL-pool.

[GeneraKrizmuz]

I made the same experience with T8

[avenger121]

So, I do these kind of posts very rarely because I don't like assumptions at all, so it took me about 20 Days to gather these information because I wanted a proper sample size and not just 15 games.

 

100 TierVIII games 

- 18 games were TierVIII and below

- 16 games were TierIX

- 66 games were TierX

 

While I know that it could have been just bad luck it seems very suspicious, did anyone experience something similiar? I met Tuccy in game yesterday and I was asking him about it, he just answered "might be because of the event" which would be a plausible argument but his is going on for way too long now... the other argument could be that more people play high tiers now but wouldn't that mean that the player from the lower tier also move up to the mid/high tier transition which is t7-8? My honest opinion is that the MM got tweaked so people play vs high tiers more often, might be that I'm paranoid but this way WG forces people to get to a higher tier themselves to have better odds of winning the game .

 

IMO, it is far more likely that it depends on the time you play. During the  ~3.7k WoWs matches and ~ 13.5k WoT matches I have found that it is far better to play T8 tanks/ships not during the prime time but rather some odd time like 2pm during the week.

 

Be careful tho, ofc I haven´t tracked all those matches for statistical evaluation, it is just subjective impression I got over the years. I like to imagine it is due to the lower player numbers during odd times, which means that there are longer queue times for the few ppl with T10 ships and thus even they are less likely to play them, which means the chance for T8 ships to get dragged into T10 matches is far lower.

[tenacious_torps]

Had the same impression, although with a lower - yet still annoying - percentage of silly bastion mode. I thought it was maybe just confirmation bias on my side. "Old chap, are you sure you aren't just a tad traumatized from grinding several lines simultaneously through tiers 5 and 6 right now?" is what I asked myself... But judging by this thread I'm not going even madder actually, which is a relief. 

 

Theory: Remember that facebook thingy that tried to make people unhappy? Ever wondered what became of that? Maybe it got sold to Wargaming and is now part of the new and improved MM. ;) 

[LilJumpa]

 

Just checked my replay Files because I played some T10 as of late:

 

43 Tier 8-10 Games, 40 of them as T10 (Solo)

 

2x Atlantic with Bastion

 

Last 9 days.

 

 

[fodder89]

Yes it is more or less correct, i did same statistics with tier VIII games BEFORE new update and it looked like this -

games of tier:

 

VI-VIII - 19 games (38%)

VII-IX - 12 games (24%)

VIII-X - 19 games (38%)

Total 50 games.

 

That is not as much big sample as you had but i think that the differences are noticeable.

How it is right now ? well.. i will just say that last 9 games in amagi were.. all with tier X.

 

I think that WG developers sees very similar statistic and i am sure that they were expecting it.

 

Cause is obvious - Tier X camouflages.

Since when i saw profits of tier X camouflages i knew more or less the resaults of it and how it will influence tier VIII and IX gameplays.

 

Is it bad or good ? i mean.. ofcourse it is good for WG - i am sure that income is great thanks to new permanent camo.

 

But for players.. not as much. Indeed some are happy cause they can earn playing tier X but if it is about MM - especially for tier VIII it is crucial change.

 

I am not really bothered about that i am facing more often stronger ships but what bothers me truly is that tier X games are less fun. Tier X games are less balanced, so more often you will be a part of it - gameplay which is a crushing victory or crashing defeat.

 

I think WoWs community prefer to play lower tiers not only because of better income but mainly because there gameplay is more fun.

[loppantorkel]

Lots of bastion the last day or so, haven't noticed any change otherwise. Seems like I end up in tier 10 games usually playing tier 8, but I thought it was supposed to be like that.

I agree that Bastion mode needs some tweaking.

[159Hunter]

One question here, how many of those games were in a division and how many where solo? Afaic you'll get uptiered more often in division than if you're solo ( at least my experience ).

[tenacious_torps]

I think WoWs community prefer to play lower tiers not only because of better income but mainly because there gameplay is more fun.

 

Same or worse issues at tiers 5 and 6. Basically we are down to 4 and 7 for fun tiers atm.

 

I agree that Bastion mode needs some tweaking.

 

Maybe with some very specific maps build for it, but for the most part it feels like a failed experiment. Even Epicenter isn't that bad. 

[LilJumpa]

 

Maybe with some very specific maps build for it, but for the most part it feels like a failed experiment. Even Epicenter isn't that bad. 

 

There is only a single map with Bastion. Atlantic

[tenacious_torps]

 

There is only a single map with Bastion. Atlantic

 

Yes, I know. That's why the mode needs other maps. This one can be discarded for all I care. 

[anonym_yHbO7kUt9ZH4]

So, I do these kind of posts very rarely because I don't like assumptions at all, so it took me about 20 Days to gather these information because I wanted a proper sample size and not just 15 games.

 

100 TierVIII games 

- 18 games were TierVIII and below

- 16 games were TierIX

- 66 games were TierX

 

While I know that it could have been just bad luck it seems very suspicious, did anyone experience something similiar? I met Tuccy in game yesterday and I was asking him about it, he just answered "might be because of the event" which would be a plausible argument but his is going on for way too long now... the other argument could be that more people play high tiers now but wouldn't that mean that the player from the lower tier also move up to the mid/high tier transition which is t7-8? My honest opinion is that the MM got tweaked so people play vs high tiers more often, might be that I'm paranoid but this way WG forces people to get to a higher tier themselves to have better odds of winning the game .

 

 

Second statistic is about Bastion, this is something I and some other  OMNI member were experiencing in the last 2 weeks.

 

75 TierX games

- 32 games were on Bastion

 

This is a crazy amount... the game mode is the worst by far on one of the worst maps, it is literally no fun to sail 5 mins from one side of the map to the other while the points tick faster than on any other domination mode... make Bastion domination/standard again while cutting the useless open areas out and we may have a good map...

 

Just my 2Cent of WoWs lately, let me know if you experienced something like this too 

 

 

-Peace

 

About the MM of T8.

 

That's one of the reasons i just sold all my T8 ships except the IJN DD. The reason i did that is that T9-10 'game play' is still terrible. And being the bottom tier for every single battle isn't fun whatsoever. Cruisers with a 'i spot you no matter what' button, which is a cheap [edited]solution to bad game play imo. BBs that can one shot you from across the map with homing shells somehow, and DD's that launch torps beside you so you can't dodge the enemy torps without eating one of your 'team' And don't even start about how the 'teams' are at that tier. After today i'm completely done with high tier game play. and since there isn't much left to go after for me now, i guess my longest time with this game has past already. Shame really, it did have a lot of potential, but somehow the game is getting worse imo. 

[thisheep]

_FTD_ can not farm his PR in Atago anymore? 

 

Please WG do something for this poor player!

 

[ElrogGA]

_FTD_ can not farm his PR in Atago anymore? 

 

Please WG do something for this poor player!

 

 

I guess you like the hard stuff

[allufewig]

I wonder what WGs reasoning behind the whole mm-imbalance is. Why fck the T5,6 and 8 and give the T7 and 9 almost a guaranteed top-spot?
 

Also WG: Please "manipulate" the matchmaking by putting players as toptier after they had a +2 game in the same ship for the third time. Being lowtier for 5 consecutive battles is just frustrating as hell. Tanks does it, why cant ships do it as well?

[Aerroon]

I log into WoWS to play a match. I pick a T10 ship, queue up and it's bastion. After the game's done I close the game because Bastion is disgusting.

[The_Great_SCH]

I wonder how would waiting times would be impacted if tiers were T+1 only? I mean, in the evening for example there are 30k+ players, maybe a lot less during the day, but i wouldn't mind waiting 30 secs to get in a game, or even a minute. When i say this i am thinking of those ships that are a pain to grind (yes i am looking at you USN cruisers). 

 I totally understand diversity, but i do not see how an average player can do really well in a T+2 game especially in a cruiser. 

[Ferry_25]

Don't have hard numbers. But I recognise the T8-10 numbers. Though I don't care: IMO T8 can operate well in T10 matches. Don't recognise the Bastion issue. I highly dislike that map as well. But didn't see it more than usual.