Rest in peace Cruisers, may you be remembered.

[Takeda92]

 

small nerfs have been done to he and one of them is:

High Explosive shell damage-calculation formula was changed - now the amount of explosives in the shell and the caliber plays a larger effect in damage calculations. Small caliber HE shells will now do less damage, cruiser HE will stay somewhat the same and Battleship HE should now do more damage.

this was from patch 0.4.0 and I know it was a long time ago but I cant be arsed to look any further but I don't count the he as the main problem why bbs leave cruisers behind I feel its the aa buffs that's been done to bbs

I wont get into a argument with are cruisers no good because if feel they are still fun to play and if you aint a complete fool you can do well in em all I would like is that the role of aa support actually came back to em but as we all know now most carrier captains have given up on carrier class cos all wg do is make em harder to play

 

Patch 0.4.0 was open beta iirc, so it was long time ago. 

 

Problem with cruisers is easy: there are so many cruiser-killers in the game, not enough battleship-killers.

 

Cruisers aren't dead, they are just the class with the highest risk to play, and the most punishing. Some of them can be rewarding.

 

Carriers aren't bad either, but only in the hands of elite. They are not suited for the majority of the players. I thik WG made a mistake by removing the 2 carriers per team from high tiers.

[ilhilh]

It is a support class and with the average skill in games you often need to do more carrying - cruisers are are pretty unsuited to doing that though.

[Capra76]

I actually agree that as long as British cruisers have smoke and trash armor it shouldn't have HE. They are really strong ship as they are

 

Why did you free XP your way through virtually the whole line?

[shadowwolf9705]

hmm my cruisers dont feel dead at all but rather lively and kind of happy, well lets look at some of your points:

 

CVs: well is the class nerfed, yes, is it partly useless in the average players hands, yes, is that ok for the moment yes it is, why: well because they need a HUGE rework, cause before the huge nerfs they were the class that played an easy single player RTS game with the other ships just beign there without influence except they all played together as a team which is something that wont happen in modern games and especially not in 15vs15 fights making them a class that for an rts player is extremely easy to play and solo winning matches with it no need for the team

 

what are CVs now well they are still very strong only problem are the players, not all players can use them aside from just playing point and click and the difference in captain skills is also too huge and lastly the class in itself is also unbalanced to each other

 

DD: well you moan that they nerfed the torp spam well thats okay why is it okay because the DD players were too bad for such weapons cause 90% of the DD players just spamed torps and did not bother in screening their allys, protecting the team from the enemys torpedos and the effect was they could easily farm their damage (40k sounds good for the most players) and their team was the one which played target practice for the enemys dds when they, dared to advance leading to all ships camping in the corners of the map cause nobody likes beign shot without beign able to return fire or to have a chance at evading the damage without one class doing its job in the end there were 5 shimas per team and all of them just spamed torps cause it was the easiest thing you could do and who needs the team anyway they do not need to have fun just the dds need fun

 

and Cruisers: well they are not bad the same as they always were, you will feel the mistakes you do but also will feel it when you do your job right, getting erased in a single salvo 90% your mistake , problem is just that most players see oh that and that BB does sooo much damage but forget that bbs also have soo much HP + rep and are most times not even doing as much damage as their effective HP, while cruisers are generally over a 1,1 dmg to HP ratio (ofc there are exceptions that are really bad but you have that with all other classes too) and do not forget that BBs are the most rng and teamdependend class in the game (well the later atleast did go down somewhat, what is good as you can not control your team)

[Runner357]

 

Why did you free XP your way through virtually the whole line?

 

Because I got tons of money to burn and want to play with my division mates in high tier games. Problem? Want a Belfast to make you feel better?

I got a NA account too ;)

[Naatibus]

 

First they came for the Destroyers, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a DD player.

Then they came for the Carriers, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a CV player.

Then they came for Cruisers—and there was no one left to speak for me

 

Edit by Nattibus 

 

[Surmaaja]

Why did you free XP your way through virtually the whole line?

People are free XPing ships they can't/don't want to adapt to. Just free XP all the squishiest cruisers and forget they exist. Then you can keep telling yourself cruisers are fine.

[Vanhal]

 

More and more whine threads where created and soon things began to look grim.

 

Saying this in pure whine thread...

[Venatacia]

To be honest if you watch most cruisers in a battle, it's their own recklessness. The amount of cruisers that sail too far forward while showing there broadside to every enemy going and get deleted is surprisingly high. Personally I think cruisers are now for the very good players to handle. This was my very first battle in the Fiji yesterday and the following two battles were both good too. Not saying that's the norm but cruisers are still in the game and while it may of got harder to play them, they are in no way dead just yet.

[maderi]

Dear comrades, we are gathered here today to honour the passing of one of the four classes of ships from this game. The Cruisers where once the mainstay of the fleets, supporting Destroyers, ganging up to drive Battleships off and protecting the Carriers from enemy breakthroughs. Using their fast firing cannon they could work together to be an actual threat. Of course they where not as fast or as stealthy as Destroyers, nor where they possessed of big cannon or several feet thick armour like the Battleships, but they where good. They had their role.

[Quetak]

Umm, RN is everything but jack of all trades. If anything, it must be the most situational line of them all.

 

yep sorry my mistake, I completely misunderstood your post

[Shirakami_Kon]

Since it was available my best "cruiser" is the Scharnhorst. Like OP said it's a ship that can cover pretty much every role a cruiser has (the only thing I miss about cruisers with my Scharnhorst it's the AA defensive fire to provide an efective AA cover, but that's all). Scharnhorst can fight against cruisers like a boss, can tank damage and help push flanks of the map, and the turret traverse it's so fast that it can even fight and deal with DDs like a heavy cruiser.

 

But with the bonus of being able to deal with BBs if needed without being directly deleted by one because in fact it's a battleship. And that's just the battleship that for me best adapts to a cruiser playstyle if the player using one want, like me that I completely love playing the Scharnhorst like a cruiser. But there's also Gneisenau, the silver counterpart, which suffers a bit because of having just 6 guns but against little groups of ships can act as a cruiser if it wants too. If a Bismarck focused on secondary guns decides to push with a few ships escorting her good luck stoping her advance with one or two cruisers and BBs.

 

Cruisers nowadays feel like some sort of decoration. Sure, they can support allied ships, like with examples I said earlier, but if you don't find braindead enemy players (with fortunately are out there and always there's going to be some of them) it's not a class of ship that you can say that you can do something on your own. Sure, you'll get that battle to prove this statement wrong, but when you do that think if you do that in ANY battle. A good DD player can be alone and manage to sink two or three ships by itself. A good BB player that knows where and when to be in the map can deal and sink three or four ships all alone any day. A cruiser all by itself...? Not so much. And that's what makes all players choose DD or BB. Even if this game it's about teamwork a lot of players don't play well together or just don't want to depend on others and end in a situation where your team abandons you and you just die, and the only ships capable of doing that are DDs and BBs. Cruisers only work well in groups but overall can't do much all by themselves unless as said earlier you found an enemy bad player that you can hammer.

 

They aren't that attractive anymore. I remember start playing this game because of Mogami with 155 mm guns which has been destroyed within a year and I don't even mind the range nerfs, but that turret traverse speed nerf just crashed that ship to the bottom of the sea never to be back again. And like I said earlier, the fact that now there's more and more BBs that can take on the job of cruisers without getting murdered by that doesn't help. Cruisers start to be more and more outclassed with every new BB that comes out to the point that slowly there's less and less point in playing cruisers at all.

[Tanaka_15]

Well think there is nothing wrong with crusers. The problem is that BBs are to easy to play, you dont need any skill to get good results in a bb. What the game need is change in bbs, i dont know how but we just need to make bb mortal again. 

[Runner357]

People are free XPing ships they can't/don't want to adapt to. Just free XP all the squishiest cruisers and forget they exist. Then you can keep telling yourself cruisers are fine.

 

See my last post. I got a NA account too

[StringWitch]

TLDR

 

cruisers are mostly fine (i have like 60% of my 5.5k+ games in cruisers)

 

 

More games before the decline of cruisers means your stats will change more slowly after, so your statistical claim actually goes against your point as though to say "look how great cruisers were when I played most of these games".

[Venatacia]

 

They aren't that attractive anymore. I remember start playing this game because of Mogami with 155 mm guns which has been destroyed within a year and I don't even mind the range nerfs, but that turret traverse speed nerf just crashed that ship to the bottom of the sea never to be back again. And like I said earlier, the fact that now there's more and more BBs that can take on the job of cruisers without getting murdered by that doesn't help. Cruisers start to be more and more outclassed with every new BB that comes out to the point that slowly there's less and less point in playing cruisers at all.

 

​I always said from CBT moving the Mogami up a tier was a big mistake (my personal opinon). It's now out ranged by pretty much every ship which means you have to get in close which also means you need fast turning turrets to cope but nope! and don't forget how easy she gets penned in the citadel, that was her downfall in CBT and now up a tier with bigger hitting ships is crippling even more. I would rather play a Pensacola or New Orleans than that turd of a ship.

[PartyCatze]

rip in pieces

[Shirakami_Kon]

 

​I always said from CBT moving the Mogami up a tier was a big mistake (my personal opinon). It's now out ranged by pretty much every ship which means you have to get in close which also means you need fast turning turrets to cope but nope! and don't forget how easy she gets penned in the citadel, that was her downfall in CBT and now up a tier with bigger hitting ships is crippling even more. I would rather play a Pensacola or New Orleans than that turd of a ship.

 

Yes I didn't mention how much citadels she eats because every cruiser has the same problem (ones more than others, but overall it's a common problem). But I agree that with a faster turret traverse at least she would still be playable like Pensacola or NO that also explode when a BB looks at them but at least get to play confortably until that happens, not great or good by any means, but playable at least. Mogami with the 155 mm guns doesn't even get that privilege anymore.

[Spithas]

Oh look! Another one of those threads in which terrible players try to convince us that the most powerful class in the game is actually crap...

[cro_pwr]

 

More games before the decline of cruisers means your stats will change more slowly after, so your statistical claim actually goes against your point as though to say "look how great cruisers were when I played most of these games".

 

last 90 days (in this new unplayable meta):

 

I actually enjoy playing BBs less in this BB heavy meta because I get less natural targets and less xp/creds etc when only shooting BBs...

[Diabolik__]

Oh look! Another one of those threads in which terrible players try to convince us that the most powerful class in the game is actually crap...

 

You really can't judge this. You are one of the best in this game and if they gave you fisherman boat you would still perform excellent.

 

It is like Jordan saying that dunking from free throws or carrying his team to six rings is not hard at all and all we are just wrong and whiners.

 

Yes, cruisers are suffering right now, they are not unplayable but they are really hard to play and you need more skill to master them than any other class.

 

Is it impossible  to play cruisers good? No. Is it very hard to play them good. Yes.

 

You and others with your skill level represent maybe 1% of the player base and for you it is not hard to play cruisers but for 99% of other players it is either extremely hard or is very hard.

[Takeda92]

To be honest if you watch most cruisers in a battle, it's their own recklessness. The amount of cruisers that sail too far forward while showing there broadside to every enemy going and get deleted is surprisingly high. Personally I think cruisers are now for the very good players to handle. This was my very first battle in the Fiji yesterday and the following two battles were both good too. Not saying that's the norm but cruisers are still in the game and while it may of got harder to play them, they are in no way dead just yet.

 

Many cruisers don't have range, and in order for them to do something (on certain maps) they have to move forward.

 

Take Ocean for example, no cover means every time you fire your guns in a cruiser, you are at range of every enemy battleship and cruiser. That's why most people go to the border for maximum safety, and you know how that turns out.

 

 

[FooFaFie]

All I really want is a lower CAP on the number BBs possible in a game. Evert time 5 BBs in game gets boring. Same gameplay Evert time.

 

And maybe repair for ALL ships.

[Ferry_25]

I had to start over after the paragraph OP before I saw your sublime irony with good sense of humor! I can perfectly understand how you feel. Though I only agree on the BaBy whining part. As much as I like playing BB's myself I never participated in those whining threads. But I like cruiserplay as well and IMO it's not that bad as you describe for non-RN cruisers. Yeah, IMO for those your statement is pretty much accurate. I rarely see RN cruisers in battle: very stealthy ships. They either hide behind a rock, in their smoke or on the bottom for 99% of the game time (that 1% is occupied by sailing to the rock/ bottom). Yes a BB shot can hurt. A lot indeed: a salvo can 1 shoot you in fact. My big "but" however: 1 shot is not that common for the "secret mystified high society clan aware of the "A" and "D" keys. Furthermore: besides that even not so common lucky shot from BaBy snipers the hardest shots are in mid/ close range. Yeah, you can take a -50% hit on that range, but you can fire back 2 or 3 salvo's in the time he's reloading or send out the fish. My point: plenty opportunity to retaliate.

As far of the DD's... I'm not having much problems with them. Biggest threat are the ships you fondly are saying farwell to now... meaning the non-RN line again of course (from now on I mean all non-RN cruisers so not to repeat myself): I'm not going to run away from such a cruiser in my DD. Some HE citadels and he's in cover the rest of the match again.

 

This being said from my part I must admit: those cruisers that I see get smashed away pretty soon and easily are those moron-players running off alone to some point in nowhere, as far from the fleet as possible only to be outfocussed 1 minute later. Of course I know better than to think you are such a player OP....

[Surmaaja]

I had to start over after the paragraph OP before I saw your sublime irony with good sense of humor! I can perfectly understand how you feel. Though I only agree on the BaBy whining part. As much as I like playing BB's myself I never participated in those whining threads. But I like cruiserplay as well and IMO it's not that bad as you describe for non-RN cruisers. Yeah, IMO for those your statement is pretty much accurate. I rarely see RN cruisers in battle: very stealthy ships. They either hide behind a rock, in their smoke or on the bottom for 99% of the game time (that 1% is occupied by sailing to the rock/ bottom). Yes a BB shot can hurt. A lot indeed: a salvo can 1 shoot you in fact. My big "but" however: 1 shot is not that common for the "secret mystified high society clan aware of the "A" and "D" keys. Furthermore: besides that even not so common lucky shot from BaBy snipers the hardest shots are in mid/ close range. Yeah, you can take a -50% hit on that range, but you can fire back 2 or 3 salvo's in the time he's reloading or send out the fish. My point: plenty opportunity to retaliate.

As far of the DD's... I'm not having much problems with them. Biggest threat are the ships you fondly are saying farwell to now... meaning the non-RN line again of course (from now on I mean all non-RN cruisers so not to repeat myself): I'm not going to run away from such a cruiser in my DD. Some HE citadels and he's in cover the rest of the match again.

 

This being said from my part I must admit: those cruisers that I see get smashed away pretty soon and easily are those moron-players running off alone to some point in nowhere, as far from the fleet as possible only to be outfocussed 1 minute later. Of course I know better than to think you are such a player OP....

The difference is that being a moron in cruiser results in instant death. You can sail a BB with half a braincell and still recover easily, assuming you'll even get punished hard enough to learn a lesson.