Rest in peace Cruisers, may you be remembered.

[BloodRose13]

Dear comrades, we are gathered here today to honour the passing of one of the four classes of ships from this game. The Cruisers where once the mainstay of the fleets, supporting Destroyers, ganging up to drive Battleships off and protecting the Carriers from enemy breakthroughs. Using their fast firing cannon they could work together to be an actual threat. Of course they where not as fast or as stealthy as Destroyers, nor where they possessed of big cannon or several feet thick armour like the Battleships, but they where good. They had their role.

 

All was good and all was right, but sadly it was not to last for a dark force loomed over the forums. Driven by countless overblown accounts, and a stereotyped belief that Battleships are "the kewlest" and "the bestest ships" that could "like, wipe out an entire fleet of crewsers on there OWN!!1!1!!1" numerous whine threads began to appear as unskilled and angry Battleship players demanded that Wargaming pamper their shiny metal hides.

 

At first it was the Carriers. Angered at being hit by numerous airstrikes, but too incompetent to realise that grouping up with the fleet for mutual support and actually turning towards the incoming torpedo bombers would easily counter these, the Battleship players raged about how "Carriers are OP" and "Carriers should not be able to sink my Battleship" or "Sky cancer". And so did the foreshadowing start.

 

Next came the Destroyers. Sneaky Destroyers launching stealthy torpedo attacks where "utter OP cancer" and deemed to be "far too strong" as "Destroyers where never able to hurt Battleships IRL". The whining increased and in spite of the fact that Destroyers where as good as dead as soon as they where spotted Wargaming once more gave in. Torpedo's where nerfed whilst Battlships suddenly gained the ability to make incredibly sharp turns.

 

The Cruisers had thought themselves safe, after all they where useful to the Battleships. Their fast firing guns could drive off Destroyers whilst their AA coverage helped to weaken enemy air strikes, but no. The Cruisers could still hurt the Battleships and this was deemed WRONG.

countless threads where spawned, claiming that HE was overpowered, Cruisers where too strong and rapid fire cannon on Cruisers was a bad idea. In a fashion now seen as the norm, Wargaming responded and nerfed HE shells. Cruisers reeled under the blow, but managed to recover. After all, the worse had come to pass, right? Right?

 

The Battleship players where still not satisfied. More and more whine threads where created and soon things began to look grim. Battleships could now out turn some Cruisers and many could sail nearly as fast, but the worst was yet to come. Cruiser AP was crippled whilst HE was hit once again, and still the Battleship players whined and raged. Battleship AA was increased, and gun accuracy seemed to get better. Then came the killing blow.

The German Battleship line. Up until now the American Battleships, with their relatively fast reload times and multiple gun turrets, had been the feared foe, but the German Battleships where something far worse. Thick, almost impregnable armour belts proved capable of absorbing any AP shell, whilst relatively fast turning turrets housed the fastest firing cannon yet seen on any Battleship. Secondary batteries shredded anything that got close and whilst turning arcs where so tight that most German Battleships could easily match the Cruisers in a turn.

And even worse, these German Battleships mounted both Torpedo's and Hydrophones/Sonar, allowing them to fill the last few rolls that the Cruisers had possessed.

 

Cruisers still took to the sea. They still attempted to fight, but the battles became harder and harder as Battleships became more and more numerous. A single hit from a Battleship could easily strip a third to half a Cruisers HP, and even angling would not help, whilst a Cruisers AP would merely bounce off a Battleships armour and HE, with all its nerfs, was unable to do enough to the Battleship.

The only solution was to get close enough to the Battleship to use torpedo's, but that required sailing for several minutes through a constant hail of main gun fire and secondaries, and even if you did make it the Battleship would most likely just dodge your torpedo's. Of course, you could try ambushing from behind an island, but that required the Battleships to come close to it, and not detect you. And once again, the chances are that you would be dead before you could launch.

 

And still the Battleship players whine and rage. Stil they fail to comprehend that a Destroyer or Cruiser should actually be able to hurt them, and indeed COULD hurt them in real life. Still they misquote historical facts, ir provide one sided, biased, 'evidence' to justify the nerfing of every other ship class, and still they refuse to listen to anyone else but themselves.

 

So my friends, comrades, captains. Come raise your glasses in a toast to the memory of the Cruisers, and bid them fairwell. They fought nobly and with honour. We will remember them.

[Allied_Winter]

I just copy my post from reddit which I gave to a similar topic:

 

Hold your ground! Hold your ground!

 

Captains of light cruisrs, of heavy cruisers, my brothers,

I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me.

A day may come when the courage of cruisers fails, when we forsake our allies and break all bonds of support,

but it is not this day.

An hour of citadels and shattering one shots, when the age of cruisers comes crashing down, but it is not this day!

This day we fight!!

By all that you hold dear on this high seas, I bid you stand, cruisers of the Oceans!!!

whispers For Kitakami

 

 

Greetings

 

[Runner357]

I don't agree with this at all. Having good or decent cruiser players make or break battles IMO. Destroyers have gotten less powerful since radar and everyone having hydro.

#Makewhininggreatagain #Buildthewallies #GrabthembytheBOUGE

[Gojuadorai]

TLDR

 

cruisers are mostly fine (i have like 60% of my 5.5k+ games in cruisers)

 

[AgarwaenME]

Also "I told you so".

 

This is what we predicted even during CBT, and in pretty much every case these predictions have become true.

[The_Tyke]

Whilst I can empathize with everything you have said, I refuse to be bullied into submission.

 

I still play cruisers for the most part, especially since the RN rolled out. My favourite boat of all is the 'Molly'. And yes, I rarely survive, Yes, I rarely make more than one kill per match, but I persevere. Could be I am a bit of a masochist, I prefer to think I am just  stubborn  dedicated.

 

I also like to play the DD, with equally bad results, but like the cruisers they are a challenge. To me that is the best part of any 'game'. How challenging it is.

You can keep your BBs. On the VERY rare occasions that I play them I am instantly reminded in the first couple of seconds why I let them gather dust in port for most the time. Like watching paint dry. So SLOOOOOW, so painfully SLOW.

 

So, I shall continue to play the cruiser.

[piritskenyer]

what the F are you talking about?

[Tyrendian89]

nonsense

[44smok]

Umm. Perfect timing for that statement - coming at the moment when one of the strongest if not the strongest line in the game is actually a cruiser line...

[Drunken_Jedi]

I would say in the hands of "bellow average joe" or "potato joe" cruisers aren't in a great place, you die very quicikly to BB's if not played right and it shows when a few minutes into a game all the CA's who rushed off at full speed get deleted by the first wave of contacts leaving one or two CA's left who actually know what they're doing. I have far higher average damage recently in my cruisers simply because my shots are more accurate compared to BB "shoot and pray" mentality with huge RNG dispersion values (my Gneisenau really triggers me with it's guns, they are so troll).

 

My Atago? Easily reach 100k in a half decent game, same with Ibuki and at the moment IJN CA's are in a great place their HE is AMAZEBALLS and with all those big slow BBabies sailing around it's easy to switch between them and set a single fire on all three or four BB's while switching to CA's or back to the BB who's dumb enough to put a single fire out with his repair (just for me to add another one or two xD). Christ I regularly land 8-10k salvo's on my Ibuki and Atago HE. I'm not even including the torpedoes on the IJN CA's which are fun. I killed a F.Der Grosse from full HP a few days back he got greedy and tried to chase me around the corner (my Ibuki was at like 3k hp) and ate 8 torpedoes giving me the easiest 70k damage I've ever had lol.

 

TLR, if you are a decent player with good situational awareness and can read a map and play smart CA's are in fact quite powerful at the moment. Especially those with a good torpedo armament for the "oh hai" one shot ability to BB's who are stupid enough to over extend and charge you down.

[Shaka_D]

Cruisers are the weakest class, easily spotted, easily citadelled by a stray shell from a BB, and not all cruisers have radar, or even very effective AA. Many still turn slowly and have slow speeds and some even very low firing ranges and need to get even closer to enemy ships to try hitting them.

 

They are definitely the least loved class by WG who still use textbook expressions to describe how to play them, without focussing on the reality of gameplay and the actual situations you may encounter ingame.

 

I love cruisers, but when playing them I accept it is a much harder game. To use the concept given to aircraft gunners during WW2, where the positions of certain machine gun turret mounts on bombers were rated as a 'time to live' measurement in seconds as a measure of risk involved, I would rate the classes as follows: CV - 15 seconds to live, BB - 10 seconds to live, DD - 5 seconds to live, cruiser - 2 seconds to live.

[MercFHire]

My Des Moines disagress, he had loads of fun burning Yamato's and penetrating the so called AP invlunerable German BB's you speak of with.. wait for it. AP shells.

[Fino_93]

I keep laughing and crying at the same time when i read something about the "BB meta problem" that must be solved in some way.

 

I agreed with the first HE nerf cause playing against a 150mm gun cruiser was horrible.

 

We have nerfed carriers and Torpedo boats, this is the result, the obviously solution could be to undo the nerf to the classes that counter BBs, but no, why don't thinking about something that is most complicate and less effettive like the proposed "bb armor nerf".

 

As a player who sail every class, i'm with you: "HE to the HE god! Torps for the torps throne!"

 

 

Give HE to British cruisers!

Give the old torps to japanese destroyer!

Nerf AA to all BBs!

 

They will learn to play with the team as they were supposed to do in opt or they'll die.

[feechbone]

fun fact, actually nothing fun about it, but this wining began in CAT. The problem is not that cruisers where nerfed...they just did get the same amount of attention as everything else did, so they got left behind only to be played by players whom understand and know the game like the back of there hand. Easily compared to WoT's Maus, the Maus is not a good tank, not by a long stretch but it can be used to extremes by potent players thus deemed balanced since below average players will simply be uther crapin it. Same is the case of cruisers in WoWs right now, the average BB is NOT good! this is to no disrespect to BB players but what ships will be most likely know by people that just started the game? BBs! So despite the fact they suck they grind there way up to T IX and X and then complane that there are not kicking absolute [edited]in these (fabled) monsters. Only to go and whine about it on the forums. and to try and make everyone happy WG nerf's the things these less competent players struggle most with.

 

 

 

Both sides of the coin are true, BB are getting out of hand and CR are left behind in this all out arms race.

[beercrazy]

I kinda get what the op is moaning about but lets be honest here when cruisers where op with the incredible he spam most bb players just sat out of range of em sniper firing

the bbs have now started to move forward to engage now they know it wont be 3 fires press r then 2 fires straight after lol

 

whats needed to make cruiser a good support class again is nerf the bb aa so cruisers finally get bbs to stick to em more and while a nerf to bb aa is done increase aa on the cruisers that have very little or crap aa

I also think cruisers should get the radar perk from tier 5 upwards to allow them to counter dds

all cruisers should get the repair from tier8

the nerfs and buffs should never be done together though and only implemented slowly because carriers have it hard enough as it is and it would need to be seen to work as a advantage that helps everyone

 

I know some will poo poo my idea but lets be honest its now mostly bb and dd you see in most battles

I play all classes and still enjoy my cruisers but we cant keep buffing bbs with aa and expect cruisers to have the same support role

[Takeda92]

I kinda get what the op is moaning about but lets be honest here when cruisers where op with the incredible he spam most bb players just sat out of range of em sniper firing

the bbs have now started to move forward to engage now they know it wont be 3 fires press r then 2 fires straight after lol

 

 

whats needed to make cruiser a good support class again is nerf the bb aa so cruisers finally get bbs to stick to em more and while a nerf to bb aa is done increase aa on the cruisers that have very little or crap aa

I also think cruisers should get the radar perk from tier 5 upwards to allow them to counter dds

all cruisers should get the repair from tier8

the nerfs and buffs should never be done together though and only implemented slowly because carriers have it hard enough as it is and it would need to be seen to work as a advantage that helps everyone

 

 

I know some will poo poo my idea but lets be honest its now mostly bb and dd you see in most battles

I play all classes and still enjoy my cruisers but we cant keep buffing bbs with aa and expect cruisers to have the same support role

 

Nothing changed about fire mechanics. Don't blame BBs not pushing on cruisers now.

[Hedgehog1963]

Go look at the Warships Today stats I posted from post #38 here  http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/65547-actually-having-fun-with-british-cruisers/page__st__30

 

 

 

Tell me again how bad cruisers are.

[IceyJones]

the yamato that brawled into my moskva recently got big eyes after my first quadruple citadel from 1.5 km under his turrets.....

after 3 salvos he sunk......

 

priceless

[woppy101]

Dear comrades, we are gathered here today to honour the passing of one of the four classes of ships from this game. The Cruisers where once the mainstay of the fleets, supporting Destroyers, ganging up to drive Battleships off and protecting the Carriers from enemy breakthroughs. Using their fast firing cannon they could work together to be an actual threat. Of course they where not as fast or as stealthy as Destroyers, nor where they possessed of big cannon or several feet thick armour like the Battleships, but they where good. They had their role.

 

All was good and all was right, but sadly it was not to last for a dark force loomed over the forums. Driven by countless overblown accounts, and a stereotyped belief that Battleships are "the kewlest" and "the bestest ships" that could "like, wipe out an entire fleet of crewsers on there OWN!!1!1!!1" numerous whine threads began to appear as unskilled and angry Battleship players demanded that Wargaming pamper their shiny metal hides.

 

At first it was the Carriers. Angered at being hit by numerous airstrikes, but too incompetent to realise that grouping up with the fleet for mutual support and actually turning towards the incoming torpedo bombers would easily counter these, the Battleship players raged about how "Carriers are OP" and "Carriers should not be able to sink my Battleship" or "Sky cancer". And so did the foreshadowing start.

 

Next came the Destroyers. Sneaky Destroyers launching stealthy torpedo attacks where "utter OP cancer" and deemed to be "far too strong" as "Destroyers where never able to hurt Battleships IRL". The whining increased and in spite of the fact that Destroyers where as good as dead as soon as they where spotted Wargaming once more gave in. Torpedo's where nerfed whilst Battlships suddenly gained the ability to make incredibly sharp turns.

 

The Cruisers had thought themselves safe, after all they where useful to the Battleships. Their fast firing guns could drive off Destroyers whilst their AA coverage helped to weaken enemy air strikes, but no. The Cruisers could still hurt the Battleships and this was deemed WRONG.

countless threads where spawned, claiming that HE was overpowered, Cruisers where too strong and rapid fire cannon on Cruisers was a bad idea. In a fashion now seen as the norm, Wargaming responded and nerfed HE shells. Cruisers reeled under the blow, but managed to recover. After all, the worse had come to pass, right? Right?

 

The Battleship players where still not satisfied. More and more whine threads where created and soon things began to look grim. Battleships could now out turn some Cruisers and many could sail nearly as fast, but the worst was yet to come. Cruiser AP was crippled whilst HE was hit once again, and still the Battleship players whined and raged. Battleship AA was increased, and gun accuracy seemed to get better. Then came the killing blow.

The German Battleship line. Up until now the American Battleships, with their relatively fast reload times and multiple gun turrets, had been the feared foe, but the German Battleships where something far worse. Thick, almost impregnable armour belts proved capable of absorbing any AP shell, whilst relatively fast turning turrets housed the fastest firing cannon yet seen on any Battleship. Secondary batteries shredded anything that got close and whilst turning arcs where so tight that most German Battleships could easily match the Cruisers in a turn.

And even worse, these German Battleships mounted both Torpedo's and Hydrophones/Sonar, allowing them to fill the last few rolls that the Cruisers had possessed.

 

Cruisers still took to the sea. They still attempted to fight, but the battles became harder and harder as Battleships became more and more numerous. A single hit from a Battleship could easily strip a third to half a Cruisers HP, and even angling would not help, whilst a Cruisers AP would merely bounce off a Battleships armour and HE, with all its nerfs, was unable to do enough to the Battleship.

The only solution was to get close enough to the Battleship to use torpedo's, but that required sailing for several minutes through a constant hail of main gun fire and secondaries, and even if you did make it the Battleship would most likely just dodge your torpedo's. Of course, you could try ambushing from behind an island, but that required the Battleships to come close to it, and not detect you. And once again, the chances are that you would be dead before you could launch.

 

And still the Battleship players whine and rage. Stil they fail to comprehend that a Destroyer or Cruiser should actually be able to hurt them, and indeed COULD hurt them in real life. Still they misquote historical facts, ir provide one sided, biased, 'evidence' to justify the nerfing of every other ship class, and still they refuse to listen to anyone else but themselves.

 

So my friends, comrades, captains. Come raise your glasses in a toast to the memory of the Cruisers, and bid them fairwell. They fought nobly and with honour. We will remember them.

Does someone need a cuddle? 

[ReynoldsXD2]

Upside:

 

I have not been torped by some second row crusier torp hero.

 

In fact, most cruisers i see now are competent players who deeply enjoy torturing BB's to death with fire and well palced ap.

 

 

 

So hooray for proper thinning out the ranks.

[Surmaaja]

It's become pretty obvious that the original intended Rock, Paper, Scissors gameplay has failed. Every patch BBs are gearing towards the jack of all trades role. Every new DD line is getting better with dealing DDs as the previous one. Therefore I suggest cruisers shall be geared towards that same mentality aswell

[Runner357]

I actually agree that as long as British cruisers have smoke and trash armor it shouldn't have HE. They are really strong ship as they are

[Quetak]

Therefore I suggest cruisers shall be geared towards that same mentality aswell.

 

its already there...RN

[Surmaaja]

its already there...RN

Umm, RN is everything but jack of all trades. If anything, it must be the most situational line of them all.

[beercrazy]

 

Nothing changed about fire mechanics. Don't blame BBs not pushing on cruisers now.

 

small nerfs have been done to he and one of them is:

High Explosive shell damage-calculation formula was changed - now the amount of explosives in the shell and the caliber plays a larger effect in damage calculations. Small caliber HE shells will now do less damage, cruiser HE will stay somewhat the same and Battleship HE should now do more damage.

this was from patch 0.4.0 and I know it was a long time ago but I cant be arsed to look any further but I don't count the he as the main problem why bbs leave cruisers behind I feel its the aa buffs that's been done to bbs

I wont get into a argument with are cruisers no good because if feel they are still fun to play and if you aint a complete fool you can do well in em all I would like is that the role of aa support actually came back to em but as we all know now most carrier captains have given up on carrier class cos all wg do is make em harder to play