USS Missouri + KMS DDs + KMS Graf Spee preliminary stats (5.15 ST)

[Darth_Glorious]

Missouri has some other differences with Iowa :

- No catapulted planes/ spotting planes

- Frontal bulkhead armour is 368 mm (compared to 287 mm of Iowa)

[Darth_Glorious]

 

Really another Russian Premium...? Wow ok.

 

Do you know about Shinonome? I heard she might get 8km torps instead of the stock Mutsuki ones. Is there any truth in it or just wishful thinking?

 

Torp 6km, 63 kt and 1,6 km detection.

And it will be some sort of reward (the doubloon cost is place holder)

 

[1MajorKoenig]

 

Torp 6km, 63 kt and 1,6 km detection.

And it will be some sort of reward (the doubloon cost is place holder)

 

 

Argh... Thanks :-)

 

I don't really like that they keep ships as reward ships. A Japanese destroyer of the "new" type would be pretty awesome as a trainer and so on. Are you sure?

 

[mr3awsome]

Is there anything about a new premium called Oleg?

 

Instantly sinks when hit by British torpedoes 

[Lladdir_]

Well, at least we know one thing, they ain't balancing those german DD's against the IJN one's.

Maybe against the USN's? Worse concealment but not as bad as russian's(past tier 7)

extremely competitive torps plus gaining the ability to stealth fire them earlier

probably better gun arcs but with worse RoF(similar to russians), the 150's on the tier 8 might decrease it's competitiveness(no aft/bft buffs) or they might do the opposite since it will be easier to penetrate heavily armoured targets depends on armour layout.

All i can really say is fair well IJN DD's, i love the fubuki but with the change's that are coming the IJN line has just kinda completely fallen away from the play style i enjoyed, i mean they're even dropping the alpha damage of their guns(the main good thing about the guns). and with a line like this coming out soon. yeah.

[fnord_disc]

28cm/52 on Spee uses 8.5 crh projectiles compared to 10crh on Scharnhorst. Spee has 910 m/s MV vs 890 on Scharnhorst, so arcs are about the same. How balanced the ship is will depend on RoF and dispersion characteristics. Might end up very OP with cruiser dispersion.

 

German DDs look OP as hell. They're seriously using those experimental turbine torpedoes...

[NameChangingIsToExpensiv]

28cm/52 on Spee uses 8.5 crh projectiles compared to 10crh on Scharnhorst. Spee has 910 m/s MV vs 890 on Scharnhorst, so arcs are about the same. How balanced the ship is will depend on RoF and dispersion characteristics. Might end up very OP with cruiser dispersion.

 

German DDs look OP as hell.

 

Same ROF as the Scharnhorst aka 20s reload.

[Darth_Glorious]

28cm/52 on Spee uses 8.5 crh projectiles compared to 10crh on Scharnhorst. Spee has 910 m/s MV vs 890 on Scharnhorst, so arcs are about the same. How balanced the ship is will depend on RoF and dispersion characteristics. Might end up very OP with cruiser dispersion.

 

German DDs look OP as hell. They're seriously using those experimental turbine torpedoes...

 

ROF is 3rpm like Scharnhorst

[El2aZeR]

It's not like this AA will destroy entire squadrons... They just have the best AA of all DDs but no defensive fire. You can't park your squad for 5 minutes over them but flying over them shouldn't bother you that much. 

 

On her own, maybe not, but I do believe just 2 or more of them will lead to hilarious air losses if you attempt to destroy one (since you'll usually spend some time in those AA bubbles to set up a strike). It really depends on how maneuverable they're gonna be and what skills they should take (BFT is a given obviously).

[fnord_disc]

 

Same ROF as the Scharnhorst aka 20s reload.

 

ROF is 3rpm like Scharnhorst

 

Okay, then it's all down to dispersion now.

[Eviscerador]

So let me guess, german DD can have smoke, speed bost, AND hydro, but in a US DD you have to pick between speed boost OR AA party.

 

Seems legit right?

 

Well...power creep at the best, as always.

[DandyDozer]

You dont know that germans were always technologically advanced?

[Takeda92]

You dont know that germans were always technologically advanced?

 

You mean so advanced they couldn't figure out how to make decent triple gun turrets for their battleship caliber?

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

You mean so advanced they couldn't figure out how to make decent triple gun turrets for their battleship caliber?

 

cough Scharnhorst

[Takeda92]

 

cough Scharnhorst

 

That's 283mm.

 

Go take a look at how wide the GK turrets are, and compare them to Yamato and Montana.

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

That's 283mm.

 

Go take a look at how wide the GK turrets are, and compare them to Yamato and Montana.

 

283 is still battleship caliber

 

we dont even know if GKs turrets are just made up

[1MajorKoenig]

 

You mean so advanced they couldn't figure out how to make decent triple gun turrets for their battleship caliber?

 

Completely OT but both the Imperial and the Kriegsmarine were very conservative forces. In fact the lack of triple turrets for BB main guns was because of design conservatism rather than lack of engineering capacity. Focus was on survivability (v. Tirpitz: "a ship's first and foremost task is to stay afloat").

 

In contrast the British RN and the Imperial Japanese Navy were very innovative for their time.

 

And lastly "Germany was always technology advanced" - yes and no. At that time leading in science but conservative in Arms production. These super weapons that everyone has in mind, like jet-powered stealth bombers and assault rifles with night vision scope were only given a try once the overall situation was dire enough and didn't play a huge role in the overall planning.

 

Sorry for OT 

[yaketymasq]

Fear the Graf Spee cigars ;)

I asked on czech forum, but no respond. What means this 38k alpha damage?

 

 

[Darth_Glorious]

Fear the Graf Spee cigars ;)

I asked on czech forum, but no respond. What means this 38k alpha damage?

 

 

 

Divide this value by 2,781, and you get the real torpedo damage

[Takeda92]

 

Divide this value by 2,781, and you get the real torpedo damage

 

Yeah, the formula is alpha damage/3 + damage

 

so 38100/3 + 1000 = 13700

[Darth_Glorious]

 

Yeah, the formula is alpha damage/3 + damage

 

so 38100/3 + 1000 = 13700

thx

[506_Mephisto]

 

You mean so advanced they couldn't figure out how to make decent triple gun turrets for their battleship caliber?

They could. However after research with the Tegetthoff dreadnoughts of the austrian navy, they discarded the idea for triple barreled turrets, because those featured multiple issues like a slower rate of fire, were much heavier, more prone to misfunction and so on, and decided, to developed twin 38cm turrets when designing the Bayern Class, which had a very high rate of fire compared to contemporary guns like those on Warspite.

Since Germany was very conservative... they stuck to their proven to work concepts instead of inventing the wheel new. The ship designs worked very well in WW1. However for example unlike the german dreadnoughts at Jutland, Bismarck was alone, making the "to stay afloat" aspect useless. A swimming hulk alone is useless if alone. If in group, there might be more possibilities of for example to fix the steering and retreat, like Warspite did at Jutland.

And for the turrets, well the concerns they had when designing Bayern were confirmed by the french battleships and the KGV class of the RN as well.

 

 

 

[mr3awsome]

we dont even know if GKs turrets are just made up

They aren't. 

[Vulgarny]

Ofc they arent sweete

 

[Aotearas]

A'yight, as amazing as the (preleminary) KM DD stats look like (basically a whole line of Blyskawicas), I absolutely have to mirror the sentiment that the power creep is ludicrous.

 

Smoke and HAS (and presumable the engine boost too) is incredibly potent and something the other established DD lines simply don't have in any comparable fashion. If this goes through, I'd at the very least expect the US DDs to get permanent access to Defensive AA fire and the IJN get the torpedo reload boost in additional consumable slots.

 

Not sure what the RU DDs could get, but I've we're brainstorming already I could think a low range, short duration Radar. Range optimally the same as the DDs' own detectability and active for say 10 or so seconds, so when you get spotted by another DD, you can pop that Radar, pinpoint their location and maybe even put one salvo (two when you already guessed their position well) before it wears out (at which point those fast little buggers should've caught up. Possibly limit the Radar to one charge (two with the premium consumable) and with a longer cooldown (think pre-Radar cooldown buff) so it can't be used frequently (best served at the start to help them with the initial cap constests). Sounds a bit overpowered, but it's the only thing that comes to mind right now.