USS Missouri + KMS DDs + KMS Graf Spee preliminary stats (5.15 ST)

[Darth_Glorious]

Missouri (you need 800.000 FREEDOM Xp to unlock)

 

 

Graff Spee (torps 8 km, 65 kt).  Ap 8400 dmg (compared to 7600 of Sharnhorst)

 

Tier 10 Z-52 (torps 10,5 km, 69 kt, 1,4 km detection, 90s reload). Best AA in the game for DD. (170 DPS with ~100 DPS at 5 km). Has Sonar (4 km torp + 5,9 km ship, 122s active). Smoke

 

 

Tier 9 Z-46 (torps 10 km, 67 kt, 1,4 km detection, 90s reload). Has Sonar (3,9 km torp + 5,7 km ship, 120s active)

 

 

Tier 8 Z-23 (torp 9,5 km, 66 kt, 1,4 km detection,  90s reload). Has Sonar (3,8 km torp + 5,6 km ship, 118s active)

 

 

Tier 7 Leberecht Maass (torp 8,5 km, 65 kt, 1,3 km detection,  90s reload). Has Sonar (3,8 km torp + 5,4 km ship, 116s active)

 

 

Tier 6 Ernst Gaede (torp 8 km, 65 kt, 1,3 km detection,  90s reload). Has Sonar (3,7 km torp + 5,3 km ship, 114s active)

 

 

Tier 5 T-22 (torp 7,5 km, 62 kt, 1,3 km detection,  68s reload). No Sonar.

 

 

Tier 4 V-170 (torp 7 km, 54 kt, 1 km detection, 21-42s reload ). No Sonar.

 

 

Tier 3 G-101 (torp 7 km, 52 kt, 1 km detection, 16-32s reload). No Sonar.

 

 

 

Tier 2 V-25 (torp 6km, 49 kt, 0,9 km detection, 16-32s reload). No Sonar.

 

[ColonelPete]

800.000 Free XP?

That is 32.000 Gold for conversion...

 

"A bit" too much for my taste

[El2aZeR]

So apparently Missouri has:

- stock Iowa rudder shift (25 seconds lol)

- slightly better mid range AA, but worse short range AA than Iowa

- lower speed than Iowa

- 700 HP less than Iowa

 

Why would anyone bother to get it? Especially if that hilarious price tag turns out to be true?

 

And ofc we needed another *edited* line with good AA in this game, so high tier CVs won't be able to do ANYTHING other than scout and shoot down planes in the future. Really WG?

[Covinus]

Excessive amount of XP 

 

[Darth_Glorious]

So apparently Missouri has:

- stock Iowa rudder shift (25 seconds lol)

- slightly better mid range AA, but worse short range AA

- lower speed than Iowa

- 700 HP less than Iowa

 

Why would anyone bother to get it? Especially if that hilarious price tag turns out to be true?

 

And ofc we needed another *edited* line with good AA in this game, so high tier CVs won't be able to do ANYTHING other than scout and shoot down planes in the future. Really WG?

 

It has better rudder shift time than top hull of Iowa (25,33 vs 25,43). The value you see is not yet normalized

[XbodzioXplX]

So pure Missouri is some 100 euro. Damn those ships costs!

 

And the main idea about GE DDs - midrange torps but with sonar and good AA. Yo-Lang with US AA. I like that.

[Darth_Glorious]

So pure Missouri is some 100 euro. Damn those ships costs!

 

And the main idea about GE DDs - midrange torps but with sonar and good AA. Yo-Lang with US AA. I like that.

 

and fast reload torps

[TheBigLanowski]

So apparently Missouri has:

- stock Iowa rudder shift (25 seconds lol)

- slightly better mid range AA, but worse short range AA than Iowa

- lower speed than Iowa

- 700 HP less than Iowa

 

Why would anyone bother to get it? Especially if that hilarious price tag turns out to be true?

 

And ofc we needed another *edited* line with good AA in this game, so high tier CVs won't be able to do ANYTHING other than scout and shoot down planes in the future. Really WG?

 

It's not like this AA will destroy entire squadrons... They just have the best AA of all DDs but no defensive fire. You can't park your squad for 5 minutes over them but flying over them shouldn't bother you that much. 

 

For the Missouri , yeah you are right. Already got the premium camo for the Iowa, no need to spent 800k free XP on a worse one. 

[Darth_Glorious]

Only tier 10 has excellent AA due to 55 mm guns, the other DDs have medicore AA

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

800k free xp ? no ty , dam wg that price OP

 

[Yoshi_EU]

Could you post more detailed info on the GE Tier 10 and Tier 8 DDs?

AA Dps? (no dual Purpose guns on tier 8?)

Torpedo dmg?

HE fire chance?

 

Smoke Values / duration and reload time and active time?

 

(Planning ahead for my 18p cpt )

[Darth_Glorious]

Could you post more detailed info on the GE Tier 10 and Tier 8 DDs?

AA Dps?

Torpedo dmg?

HE fire chance?

 

Tier 10

128 mm L/45 Drh LC/41 ( 3 x 2 128 mm ) : 45 DPS (5 km)

55 mm L/77 Gerät 58 ( 3 x 1 55 mm ) : 52 DPS (5 km)

37 mm Flak LM/42 ( 7 x 2 37 mm ) : 72 DPS (3,5 km)

 

Torpedo damage 14455

 

HE fire chance 7 %, Ap dmg 3000, HE dmg 1500, 830 m/s

 

Tier 8 :

 

37 mm Flak LM/42 ( 4 x 2 37 mm ) : 41 DPS (3,5 km)

20 mm Flakvierling 38 ( 4 x 4 20 mm ) : 24 DPS (2,0 km)

20 mm Flakzwilling 38 ( 2 x 2 20 mm ) : 8 DPS (2,0 km)

 

Torpedo damage 14455

 

HE fire cahnce 12%, Ap dmg 3700, HE dmg 2200, 835 m/s

 

 

[KaraMon]

 

 

Why would anyone bother to get it? Especially if that hilarious price tag turns out to be true?

 

 

 

 

It will sell like fresh bread

 

1. It is a BB

2. It is a premium BB

3. It is tier 9 BB !

4 . Most people don't care what they buy, as long it is big , has big guns and high tier it is worth buying

 

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And reload on thoswe glorious german guns will be? tiers 7-10

[NoirLotus]

So T8 german DD has 150 mm guns (so no BFT, no AFT), but T9 & T10 have 128 mm guns ?

[mrak1979]

If German DDs can get smoke and hydro smae time why IJN cant get reload boster and moke same tme????

[1MajorKoenig]

The stats on the German DDs look good! Looking forward!

 

The low tier ones have a combination of double (turret) launchers and singles (fixed?). Any idea how that would work in the game?

[Nethraniel]

So, that means only smoke for the T10 DD?

 

On the other hand, the torps seem to be rather good, even though they lack some damage.

[creamgravy]

If German DDs can get smoke and hydro smae time why IJN cant get reload boster and moke same tme????

 

The second line does.

 

So T8 german DD has 150 mm guns (so no BFT, no AFT), but T9 & T10 have 128 mm guns ?

 

The 128mm are modern dual purpose guns.

 

tier 10 has excellent AA

 

Yep.

 

Daring: ~260

Fletcher: 261 (556 for 30 seconds with defensive fire)

Z52: 294

Battle: ~315

 

(max dps values)

[NameChangingIsToExpensiv]

The Scharnhorst has the improved guns of the Graf spee , yet the Graf spee has a higher AP alpha dmg . WG logic at its finest . 

[fumtu]

So seems that all KM dds can stealth torps just like IJN. Their torps were faster and had lower detection range than IJN but deal less damage and have shorter range, at least for some tiers. So they should be able to provide better hit ratio but with less damage than IJN ones.

 

These stats for KM DDs look promising, but I feel a little sorry for IJN dds. This line, at least mid and higher tier ships, already looks as better choice if you want a ship that can stealth torp and be able to use its guns. Comparing with US and RU dds in the gunboat role they seems good balanced with maybe somewhat worse HE but better AP. Not sure what turret traverse times and RoF of those 127mm/150mm/128mm guns will be but I guess that 127mm and 128mm will have a good RoF.

[Sigimundus]

Is Graf spee designed as CA or BB? Also which consumable will have?

[CuddlyPanda]

KM DD's are looking really nice. Can't wait for the models to be shown

 

[NameChangingIsToExpensiv]

Pictures of the new german DDs. https://m.imgur.com/a/QCKj8

[Darth_Glorious]

Is Graf spee designed as CA or BB? Also which consumable will have?

 

CA

it has 4 consumable slots :

1 : Dmg control party

2 : Sonar or Defensive fire

3 : Catapult fighter

4 : Repair party

 

So seems that all KM dds can stealth torps just like IJN. Their torps were faster and had lower detection range than IJN but deal less damage and have shorter range, at least for some tiers. So they should be able to provide better hit ratio but with less damage than IJN ones.

 

These stats for KM DDs look promising, but I feel a little sorry for IJN dds. This line, at least mid and higher tier ships, already looks as better choice if you want a ship that can stealth torp and be able to use its guns. Comparing with US and RU dds in the gunboat role they seems good balanced with maybe somewhat worse HE but better AP. Not sure what turret traverse times and RoF of those 127mm/150mm/128mm guns will be but I guess that 127mm and 128mm will have a good RoF.

 

Tier IX and X : 15 RPM, traverse speed 18 deg/s

Tier VIII : 9 RPM, traverse speed 8 deg/s

Tier VII : 15 RPM,  traverse speed 8 deg/s

Tier VI : 8 RPM for 150 mm, 11,7 RPM for 128 mm, traverse speed 8 deg/s

Tier II-V :  15 RPM,  traverse speed 10 deg/s

 

[Takeda92]

So better guns than IJN and better functional torps than IJN at high and mid tiers (remember that Minekaze will lose its top torps and will have 57kts 10k damage torps, while the Germans get 7.5km at 62kts at tier 5, Mutsuki gets 6km at 64kts, lol).

 

And WG release yet another premium cruiser-killer at tier 6, that its weakness is against BBs, because cruisers are so OP and over-played while BBs are struggling at the moment, am I right?

 

More powercreep, who would have thought!