[N2KU] Xpectre Players 8 posts 2,679 battles Report post #1 Posted November 7, 2016 Title says it all, on any game the enemy CV has way more planes and although the tier IX planes are fast, what can you do if the enemy has 6 squadrons, 2 of each type, wile you only have 4? Absolutely outnumbered and playing like if you would be a chicken... Also if I try to sneak and kill the enemy CV wont be enough with my planes while others can... Speed is the key of course, but what can you do if in most of the cases you are just outnumbered..., play like a p**y like I said... So dissapointed paying for something like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MEN] Captain_Singleton Players 3,184 posts 20,113 battles Report post #2 Posted November 7, 2016 well it's a good job you watched some youtube videos about it before you bought it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lin3 Players 746 posts Report post #3 Posted November 7, 2016 CV playstyle is rubbish. If you want to play RTS, play a good one - like Forged Alliance. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R-D] SexyCroat Players 734 posts 18,675 battles Report post #4 Posted November 7, 2016 m8 it seems like youre not cv material, dont know why you bouth Saipan in the first place... Speaking as a Saipan captain, it is very OP, no cv in t7 can even schratch it, watch some videos, ask for advice, but dont crap on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NBS] silence5 Privateer 268 posts 10,540 battles Report post #5 Posted November 7, 2016 Typical player who buys an OP ship and expect to perform well in it. Sadly thats not how this world works. First you have to understand how to play the ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N2KU] Xpectre Players 8 posts 2,679 battles Report post #6 Posted November 8, 2016 I bought it long time ago and I just wanted to try a high tier CV without actually going through all the lower tiers... I do choose my engagements with the enemy, making a good use of the speed but I've killed over 50 planes (which for a new player like me is a HUGE effort) and still lost the game. It felt like the enemy had endless planes. Then, if I decide not to fight him but to sink ships, you only have 6 torpedo bombers and sometimes it's not easy to do something wrong like being spotted and don't surprise the enemy or just not a perfect approach to hit all of them... The other CV's are more valanced and can fight on most of the situations while thisone has a chickne playstyle, never playing aggresively and if you try, you not always find targets... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] AgarwaenME Beta Tester 4,811 posts 13,808 battles Report post #7 Posted November 8, 2016 I bought it long time ago and I just wanted to try a high tier CV without actually going through all the lower tiers... And this is why WG should limit new players to only buy lower tier premiums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N2KU] Xpectre Players 8 posts 2,679 battles Report post #8 Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) Won't happen as it makes money I guess... But anyway, I'm not new around WG games, I'm a Blitz player with 20K battles and have almost all the premium tanks spending over a thousand, don't blame me if I like collecting war machines... Edited November 8, 2016 by Xpectre Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syrchalis Players 1,401 posts 3,820 battles Report post #9 Posted November 8, 2016 I bought it long time ago and I just wanted to try a high tier CV without actually going through all the lower tiers... You said it yourself already. That's your problem. If you didn't even go through the low tiers, then you have no chance to do well in the Saipan. It's (surprisingly enough) one of the most skill-reliant CVs in the game, because it trades raw power for consistency. To really get much out of it, you need a 15 point captain anyway. That is no issue, because you can use any CV captain because it's a premium, but if you of course haven't bothered with CVs much yet, you won't have one. I can still try to give you some info on it. The 3/0/1 setup is much easier to use and obviously aimed at beginners. It's potential is not great, but you can get a lot out of it with little skill. Three strong fighter squads give you easy air superiority and a huge dive bomber group with heavy bombs allow you to severely cripple DDs or put hurt on a BB that has no DCP ready. 2/0/2 is where the real power lies. Two fighter squads can still beat any CV, except for fighter-focused Ranger or Hiryu - in this case you have to outplay your enemy (you already see why this is the skill-heavy setup). Six torpedo bombers is not a lot, so you have to make their attacks count. Their speed and durability allow you to do that - but you still have to hit. If you aren't convinced, check my Saipan stats. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] duoinvasion Players 390 posts 9,058 battles Report post #10 Posted November 8, 2016 i cri as a cv player this is exactly whats wrong with this game, people buying high tier ships and not having a clue how to use them and screwing over there team most times while not doing much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #11 Posted November 8, 2016 Expect to simply lose if you meet a dedicated Hiryu player (there are few, I used to be one of them but I sold it for ranked. May buy it back someday). AS combined with Dogfighting Expert makes Hiryu fighters eat yours alive (AS or not) and he will have much more strike potential than you will ever have. That's all advice I can give because I used to rub my hands in glee whenever I had to go up against a Saipan in my Hiryu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N2KU] Xpectre Players 8 posts 2,679 battles Report post #12 Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) i cri as a cv player this is exactly whats wrong with this game, people buying high tier ships and not having a clue how to use them and screwing over there team most times while not doing much. The fact that I don't have thousands of battles doesn't mean that I'm a bad player, in fact, most of the time I lose because of my team... I'm not one of those without a clue but still hard to beat a good player with more planes and different setups... Edited November 8, 2016 by Xpectre Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doolio Players 360 posts Report post #13 Posted November 8, 2016 most of the time I lose because of my team Is this still a thing? I mean, come on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #14 Posted November 8, 2016 in fact, most of the time I lose because of my team... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #15 Posted November 8, 2016 The fact that I don't have thousands of battles doesn't mean that I'm a bad player, in fact, most of the time I lose because of my team... I'm not one of those without a clue but still hard to beat a good player with more planes and different setups... No but the fact that you are very scarse on cv battles means you lack the experience and the captain to play a Saipan at full potential. So it's not that Saipan is rubbish, it's more like you're short on some tools. Also; one does not simply 'buy a high tier cv' (lol at calling Saipan a high tier CV, high tiers start from VIII and up, only then does AA really kick in), one needs to progress into them to gradually learn: - how to deal with aa - how to prioritize targets - how to manage different sqauds of planes - how to position your ship ( hint: map border is not okay ) Skipping lower tiers just means you lack experience ( which does not make you a bad player ) thus you will be more of a liability for your team rather than an asset. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM-S] Kann_Nix_Extreme Players 388 posts 15,432 battles Report post #16 Posted November 8, 2016 The Saipan is lots of things. Besides the strengths people allready mentioned she's is doing exceptionally well in one regard: She's fun to play! I wish more CVs were like her. Fast, potent and reliable ... she's definitely not rubbish. Xpectre I could teach you a few things here and there if you like, just give ma a call o7 If you aren't convinced, check my Saipan stats. You're pretty successful with your Saipan. From what I can tell looking at our stats I guess we have a very different approach on how games should be won though. Your playstyle appears to be damage heavy and you wreck more planes each game, while I tend to strike wounded or weak targets more often resulting in more kills. This underlines the ships flexibility. Capable players can make it work in different ways, but they rarely stomp the enemy with brute force. We need CVs to be just that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syrchalis Players 1,401 posts 3,820 battles Report post #17 Posted November 8, 2016 most of the time I lose because of my team... Carriers can carry, as obvious as it sounds. I don't have 74% winrate in Saipan because I'm lucky. Step one, stop blaming your team. Sure, in 10 battles you can be unlucky, but over 100 battles you will have the same amount of bad people on your side as on the enemy side - in fact, on your side will always be one constant, and that's yourself. If that constant is high enough, you can win battles that would otherwise be lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOATY] Shaka_D Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters, Weekend Tester 3,691 posts 15,960 battles Report post #18 Posted November 8, 2016 Title says it all, on any game the enemy CV has way more planes and although the tier IX planes are fast, what can you do if the enemy has 6 squadrons, 2 of each type, wile you only have 4? Absolutely outnumbered and playing like if you would be a chicken... Also if I try to sneak and kill the enemy CV wont be enough with my planes while others can... Speed is the key of course, but what can you do if in most of the cases you are just outnumbered..., play like a p**y like I said... So dissapointed paying for something like that. Nothing wrong with the saipan. I'm average with cv's, below even, but while taking my new hiryu out for a sail last night got beaten by a player far worse than me in his saipan. I failed to find a rhythm and he decimated my planes all through the game. Saipan is a beast and I enjoy playing mine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Venom_Too ∞ Players 5,189 posts 7,044 battles Report post #19 Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) The fact that I don't have thousands of battles doesn't mean that I'm a bad player, in fact, most of the time I lose because of my team... I'm not one of those without a clue but still hard to beat a good player with more planes and different setups... Yes it does. And even if i hurt you'r feelings. YOU Sir/Lady are not the one in a lifetime guy/lady which is called Wonderboy/girl... For this, you are way below average in the games what you have done. If you would be the Wonderboy/girl.. You would have no Problem at all with the Saipan. Heck with Any of the Ships. So you lack something like every one starts a Game ----> Experience. Practice, Practice and Practice. And a good start is NOT to blame the team, just look at your performance and what could have you done better. Edit: You Sir/Lady are the best Example of "young" Players today... I just started the Game. NO WAY it is my Fault can only be the Team. Edited November 8, 2016 by Venom_Too 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM-S] Kann_Nix_Extreme Players 388 posts 15,432 battles Report post #20 Posted November 8, 2016 Excuse me, but where exactly is he 'way below average'? Sure he could do better, butthere's no way the average player is any better Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Venom_Too ∞ Players 5,189 posts 7,044 battles Report post #21 Posted November 8, 2016 (edited) Excuse me, but where exactly is he 'way below average'? Sure he could do better, butthere's no way the average player is any better Look up the Best of the Best in the CV's. Which would have the Right to blame the Team. As CV you CAN carry the Game. So its not the Team fault. Yes sometimes its not able, but often you do. But to your Post: he has an Abysmal Win Ratio in CV's. The Only Positive is the Saipan. And this One he blames. So whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? And the miserable Average of Saipan can have to do with the 3/0/1. But if he plays as he stated the 2/2/0.. Than its waaaaaay below Average. You get Easy ~50-55k as an Average Player with the OP Setup of her. Also the bit higher Average of the other two CV's which he plays, indicate that he is able to get hits on BB's. But as we can see in the Winratio, it doesn't help much. And an bit Higher(those are marginaly higher) then Average as CV in sealclubbing Tier is also not that hard. Edit: Which follows the only Conclusion he kills only the Ships which are easy for him. But not the Ships which would help the Team. Thats an Point which is crucial for CV Players. Edited November 8, 2016 by Venom_Too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM-S] Kann_Nix_Extreme Players 388 posts 15,432 battles Report post #22 Posted November 8, 2016 Welp you're not wrong. Your observations are correct. But none of that makes him a way below average player, especially considering the other 3 ship classes. One thing tho: Ships that are easy for you = Ships that help the team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syrchalis Players 1,401 posts 3,820 battles Report post #23 Posted November 8, 2016 We're not here to judge him, but help him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Venom_Too ∞ Players 5,189 posts 7,044 battles Report post #24 Posted November 8, 2016 We're not here to judge him, but help him. The only Way to help is to start opening his eyes. Yes it's a bit rough from me, but normaly it should have an effect hopefully. But Life is no My little Pony Ranch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM-S] Kann_Nix_Extreme Players 388 posts 15,432 battles Report post #25 Posted November 8, 2016 But Life is no My little Pony Ranch Some people on here might wish otherwise though XD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
