brutus007 Players 145 posts Report post #1 Posted November 7, 2016 First the statement - I LIKE anime. But I also understand there are people (and lot of them) who does not. It makes me bit sad that (probably) because of this there will be no more ARP missions. But to be honest whole ARP ships implementation is not very good. This all "enable Yokosuka if you want to see them" thing is bit half-a**ed IMHO as what it actually does is - if you do not like anime then you do not have to see it - but you also get no reward for big set of missions..... So why not make Fog look of the ship possible to cover (replace) with any camo for their IJN counterpart? This will make the ARP ships interesting for lot of players and will also make WG money as people will buy gold camo to get rid of skins they do not like? To take it even step forward - why not give Fog its tab in tech tree? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilJumpa Beta Tester 4,603 posts 7,488 battles Report post #2 Posted November 7, 2016 The reason for no more ARP Missions is the end of a collaboration between the makers of ARP and Wargaming ---> business You still get the "rewards" for the ARP missions even if you don't select Yoko port and you don't have to see it if you don't like it ---> good implementation for everyone The Yoko port also hides/reveals the neon ships of opponents in a match. Another aspect why the implementaion is fair. Why would i want to spend money to hide 5 Kongos and 3 or 4 (?) Myokos which I cannot sell, just because I dislike anime? I would just hide them via mod or the filter and thats exactly what the Yoko port is for. You maybe want to think about that again, mate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
salva_barbus Players 131 posts 8,949 battles Report post #3 Posted November 7, 2016 It's simple, there are people who take offense at ships that don't have the looks of WW2. For them, seeing a ship with bright colours is an offense, so this implementation was "the next best thing". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXx_Blogis_xXx Alpha Tester, Players 5,335 posts 35,510 battles Report post #4 Posted November 7, 2016 dont like , dont look , change port , i do like arp , and i do like free ships + port slots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #5 Posted November 7, 2016 The reason for no more ARP Missions is the end of a collaboration between the makers of ARP and Wargaming ---> business Which don't change the fact that it indeed feels like a lot of wasted potential. In the very least they should change the models a bit so they don't look like hasty work of slapping some paint. It's simple, there are people who take offense at ships that don't have the looks of WW2. For them, seeing a ship with bright colours is an offense, so this implementation was "the next best thing". O tempora. I just wonder why they only catered to those that didn't want to see it. Why just not make switch on/off for all the content instead of the clumsy port "switch". I would, for example, like to see ARP ships in any port. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brutus007 Players 145 posts Report post #6 Posted November 7, 2016 The Yoko port also hides/reveals the neon ships of opponents in a match. Another aspect why the implementaion is fair. Why would i want to spend money to hide 5 Kongos and 3 or 4 (?) Myokos which I cannot sell, just because I dislike anime? I would just hide them via mod or the filter and thats exactly what the Yoko port is for. It's simple, there are people who take offense at ships that don't have the looks of WW2. For them, seeing a ship with bright colours is an offense, so this implementation was "the next best thing". I am not talking about in the port issue - it is the least one TBH. What I would like to see is possibility of actually USING Fog ships in battle for people who do not like the anime... Enabling the possibility to use camo on Fog ships would mean people "who are offended by neon colors" can actually use these in battles instead just hiding them via different port and complaining about not being able to delete them If there is such a possibility I believe it would make these more popular .... and then WG would want to prolong contract with ARP makers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #7 Posted November 7, 2016 I am not talking about in the port issue - it is the least one TBH. What I would like to see is possibility of actually USING Fog ships in battle for people who do not like the anime... Enabling the possibility to use camo on Fog ships would mean people "who are offended by neon colors" can actually use these in battles instead just hiding them via different port and complaining about not being able to delete them If there is such a possibility I believe it would make these more popular .... and then WG would want to prolong contract with ARP makers. IIRC from old Q&A contract with Arpeggio owners was signed for one year. No idea if Arpeggio returns, but for next rear another collab is on their way. http://worldofwarships.asia/en/news/announcements/wows-rendezvous-hs-fleet/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOME] RobS80 [HOME] Weekend Tester 969 posts 10,786 battles Report post #8 Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) I am not talking about in the port issue - it is the least one TBH. What I would like to see is possibility of actually USING Fog ships in battle for people who do not like the anime... Enabling the possibility to use camo on Fog ships would mean people "who are offended by neon colors" can actually use these in battles instead just hiding them via different port and complaining about not being able to delete them If there is such a possibility I believe it would make these more popular .... and then WG would want to prolong contract with ARP makers. The problem with them isn't so much the camo as much as the sheer pointlessness of them if you are not into anime. You don't unlock another ship with them, there are multiple clones of Myoko and Kongo. If you already played through those ships and didn't find them amazing, then doing it again for no progression seems a little bit pointless to me. I have the 15 point captain that was given out a while ago, and it still doesn't make me want to play more than one or two games in them. If you are relatively new to the game and wonder what a tier 5 feels like then fair enough, its much easier than buying a premium and tier 5 MM isnt going to punish you I guess. On top of all this there will be more anime themes in the future, it was recently announced that there will be a new collaboration with Haifuri, which I think is High School Fleet (I had to google it). *EDIT - beaten to it by 3 mins lol Edited November 7, 2016 by RobS80 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainThunderWalker Players 357 posts 3,178 battles Report post #9 Posted November 7, 2016 Actually, I put the question more to the Myoko sisters than the Kongo sisters. Luckily it seems I only get one of the former (I'm not into the anime). But for the Kongo sisters, I'm pretty sure I'm going to make multiple builds of them. ARP Kirishima was my first and she's going to be full secondary build. ARP Kongo will be AA focused and ARP Hiei just balanced. This means I don't have to keep the real Kongo as well once I get there on my way to the Yamato, saving a port slot. Which is nice too. ARP Myoko... well, I seem to get only one of them from the looks of it, having too few high tier ships (only the Fubuki). I'll make it to the 100 critical hits but that's it. I don't mind - because I think there's only one way you can really build these things up (everything else is inferior). ARP Takao I'll likely acquire too, which is fine... she's a one-of and I won't have to buy the Atago. I don't complain! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #10 Posted November 7, 2016 Looking at ships that appeared in Haifuri, we can hope for Hiei, Kagero (once she gets downtiered to tier 8) and Akizuki, upcoming T8 "gunboat" IJN DD. Yamato and Musashi almost not going to happen to be released. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #11 Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) You are missing the point here. Why is this "you have to select Yokosuka" implemented in the firstplace? Because people complained that they dont want to see them in battles. WG made them "visible" to Yokosuka port only because of this... so people who dont use the port not only that they dont see them in port, they see them in battle as a regular skinless Kongous. I will hijack this topic. Now that I have all ARP Kongous, I want to experiment some different builds. I would love to hear some ideas on this topic. Edited November 7, 2016 by nambr9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #12 Posted November 7, 2016 You are missing the point here. Why is this "you have to select Yokosuka" implemented in the firstplace? Because people complained that they dont want to see them in battles. WG made them "visible" to Yokosuka port only because of this... so people who dont use the port not only that they dont see them in port, they see them in battle as a regular skinless Kongous. I will hijack this topic. Now that I have all ARP Kongous, I want to experiment some different builds. I would love to hear some ideas on this topic. Kongo, while she is versatile ship she is also average in every regard. Secondaries doesn't really work, as even with upgrade and AFT they have lackluster range AND you need to show broadside to make use of them and even then, with 15lvl captain accuracy is mediocre. Full AA (BFT, AFT, manual AA) is okayish, but overshadowed by Konig, which have better secondaries anyway. And you can't really go stealth with captain skill alone on a ship with 16.2km base detection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #13 Posted November 7, 2016 Kongo, while she is versatile ship she is also average in every regard. Secondaries doesn't really work, as even with upgrade and AFT they have lackluster range AND you need to show broadside to make use of them and even then, with 15lvl captain accuracy is mediocre. Full AA (BFT, AFT, manual AA) is okayish, but overshadowed by Konig, which have better secondaries anyway. And you can't really go stealth with captain skill alone on a ship with 16.2km base detection. So its just garbage to have multiple builds. Such a wasted potential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #14 Posted November 7, 2016 The reason for no more ARP Missions is the end of a collaboration between the makers of ARP and Wargaming ---> business You still get the "rewards" for the ARP missions even if you don't select Yoko port and you don't have to see it if you don't like it ---> good implementation for everyone The Yoko port also hides/reveals the neon ships of opponents in a match. Another aspect why the implementaion is fair. Why would i want to spend money to hide 5 Kongos and 3 or 4 (?) Myokos which I cannot sell, just because I dislike anime? I would just hide them via mod or the filter and thats exactly what the Yoko port is for. You maybe want to think about that again, mate So you are saying that if i saw a Myoko/Kongo/Atago in the enemy team then that might be an ARP ship? ( When not selecting Yoko port ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,776 battles Report post #15 Posted November 7, 2016 So you are saying that if i saw a Myoko/Kongo/Atago in the enemy team then that might be an ARP ship? ( When not selecting Yoko port ) Yes. If you don't have the Yokosuka port active ARP ships show the normal skin to you, not the ARP one, but that player may be actually using one of the ARP ship, not the normal one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #16 Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) So you are saying that if i saw a Myoko/Kongo/Atago in the enemy team then that might be an ARP ship? ( When not selecting Yoko port ) Yep. If you don't use Yokosuka you don't know if its Atago or Takao in battle, unless owner is bragging about her left and right So its just garbage to have multiple builds. Such a wasted potential. Myokos are in slightly better situation, as at least their AA is actually worth upgrading, so you could set up one of 4 ships into AA escort role, while other are surface oriented. Takao have the longest range on secondaries of all cruisers and seeing these 4 barrels going pew pew can be hilarious, but not exactly effective. AA even with upgrades is modest at best. Edited November 7, 2016 by Panocek Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nethraniel Beta Tester 1,739 posts 1,782 battles Report post #17 Posted November 7, 2016 Yep. If you don't use Yokosuka you don't know if its Atago or Takao in battle, unless owner is bragging about her left and right You see it in the post battle screen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #18 Posted November 7, 2016 Yep. If you don't use Yokosuka you don't know if its Atago or Takao in battle, unless owner is bragging about her left and right Myokos are in slightly better situation, as at least their AA is actually worth upgrading, so you could set up one of 4 ships into AA escort role, while other are surface oriented. Takao have the longest range on secondaries of all cruisers and seeing these 4 barrels going pew pew can be hilarious, but not exactly effective. AA even with upgrades is modest at best. And the enemy team will see my premium camo Atago even not having it? Or he will see an unskinned Atago? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueMoon51 Beta Tester 951 posts Report post #19 Posted November 7, 2016 I'm not someone that cares for ARP and frankly don't think WG have gone far enough with regards isolating them. As someone that doesn't play them I would like the ability to remove ships and captains from my ports. That being said I'm glad people have the content that like them and want to play that style of game . It's a shame the agreement seems to be ending and they will no longer be offered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,776 battles Report post #20 Posted November 7, 2016 And the enemy team will see my premium camo Atago even not having it? Or he will see an unskinned Atago? They will see the camo of your Atago (unless you don't use it), the ARP Takao will be quite easy to see, when you start seeing a lot of Atagos without camo for some reason that would mean that probably they are ARP Takaos (since ARP Takao can't use camo). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xmen Players 92 posts 7,132 battles Report post #21 Posted November 7, 2016 The problem with them isn't so much the camo as much as the sheer pointlessness of them if you are not into anime How is it pointless to get Atago (the best t8 cruiser) for Free ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #22 Posted November 7, 2016 All ARP ships are visible as SKINLESS normal counterparts to people not using the Yokosuka port. Friend or foe. At least thats how it used to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GLUE_] Fino_93 Players 390 posts 9,642 battles Report post #23 Posted November 7, 2016 Mods solve most of your problems, you can use the one that hide the "arp skin" so you can use all your arp ships with normal skins and jap captain skins, then mod the yokosuka port with the appearence of another port and you solved all the problems... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,795 posts 12,260 battles Report post #24 Posted November 7, 2016 I must say that I'm a bit worried about the fact that visibility of these ships is tied to Yokosuka. I don't really like it in the first place - Yokosuka doesn't really look all that interesting AND it's the port they look the worst in (seriously, they look awesome in dark ports/on dark maps and Yokosuka is one of the brightest with extra color saturation that really doesn't flatter the already overly colorful vessels). But that can be easily amended - you don't even need "real" mods, just copying some files to mod folders lets you change lighting of Yokosuka or just outright replace it with some other port. But now new collaboration is going to start - will we have to pick which content we see? I don't really care for historical accuracy and I'd like to see people's spoils they want to show off even when I'm not sailing them atm. Colorful ships are fun, whatever the new collab brings may prove to be fun too. I'd very appreciate if the switch became separate from the port choice - a simple check box "show ARP content" (and then similar checkbox for each next collab they might add). For those who don't like ARP nothing would change (I seriously doubt anyone would want Yokosuka bot not the ships ;) ) but people who don't mind or like anime content it would become much more convenient - in the future allowing them to pick which anime content they want to see regarldess of the port they choose. But, admittedly, as long as we only have ARP, the issue has a rather low priority ;) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NBS] silence5 Privateer 268 posts 10,540 battles Report post #25 Posted November 7, 2016 I just hope the new colaboration coming up won't mean that I will have to switch ports to see them. I want 1 port to see them all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
