Chapayev - Target & Terror Of T8

[Pupu_prpr]

Returning to the Chapayev for the first time since the release, showing you various ways the ship can be a huge threat, as well as showcasing various ways of survival at low hp, like full or partial line-of-sight covers, full range stealth firing or smoke firing.

 

 

This game turned out to be a good example of just how much you can do with the ship even if you have no hp, as I got punished for overextending quite hard at the start.

[Beardroid91]

The Chapa is such a fire whore, honestly WG should nerf its fire chance.

[ThePurpleSmurf]

Good that you release this video now and that you did not before ranked season five started or we might have seen a lot more of this -for ranked battles- broken op ship.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

still i rather play kutuzov

 

[jhonny82]

a good suggestion to this ship: wait untill ur captain has unlocked concealment expert skill before start playing Chappy... I made the mistake and sold shchors to buy Chappy and now I'm struggling to survive... all shoot at you (and now you see tier 9-10 guns) and you can't stealth fire on your own nor dodge shells cause of bad turning

[Z_OnkelE]

After you featured the Budyonny and now the Chapayev, will you cover the bully-ish Shchors in the near future, too? Right now she enjoys all the goodies: T7 matchmaking with her T8 fire power and squishy RN cruisers on top.

[xenopathia]

Have Kutuzov, not sure if Chapa is worth keeping.  

It's maneuverability puts me off although I do pretty well with it so far.

[brutus007]

I have pretty much started to play WoWs this weekend again after 3 months hiatus and found myself with freshly obtained Chapayev (I have not played much before). I have no comparison base as I have ever only played RU cruisers, but I have used discount + some free doubloons i had on my account to get Kutuzov - and have to say IMHO Kutuzov is soo much better in most of the cases... longer range MUCH better maneuverability, usable 8km torpedoes and better AA is a win.

[Diminios]

Have Kutuzov, not sure if Chapa is worth keeping.  

It's maneuverability puts me off although I do pretty well with it so far.

 

Well, it has radar and can stealthfire better... Why not keep it?

[Lin3]

Good that you release this video now and that you did not before ranked season five started or we might have seen a lot more of this -for ranked battles- broken op ship.

 

Good to see you upholding the Wargaming Forum tradition of calling a ship "broken op" when you have never played it.

 

The Cheeky Chapayev is so broken that BB's kill it in 2 salvoes on a regular basis at a very wide variety of ranges - up to 21kms - and a very wide variety of angles - from 0 to 360 degrees. IE end on at extreme range you still get citadelled in it.

 

Look at Flamu's video again and look at how much health he loses early on so quickly. If he hadn't had a division mate to smoke him up and if he hadn't been so skilled at nursing his ship he'd have done an OK, but not outstanding 50k damage in that battle.

 

An above average 54% win rate player like yourself, playing solo, would NOT be OP in the Cheeky.

 

I am not OP in the Chapayev. Some battles I do well, some battles I get deleted first. I play it only in Ranked at the moment. I'm still learning... But that's the fun of playing games, trying different things and seeing what works and what doesn't.

[44smok]

Imho chapa is decidedly the best t8 cruiser for ranked and equal with zombiago for random. The get close to cap-get spotted-activate radar-wreck DD-hide-get close to cap combo is almost gamebreaking and near impossible to counter when combined with friendly smoke.

[ThePurpleSmurf]

 

Good to see you upholding the Wargaming Forum tradition of calling a ship "broken op" when you have never played it.

 

The Cheeky Chapayev is so broken that BB's kill it in 2 salvoes on a regular basis at a very wide variety of ranges - up to 21kms - and a very wide variety of angles - from 0 to 360 degrees. IE end on at extreme range you still get citadelled in it.

 

Look at Flamu's video again and look at how much health he loses early on so quickly. If he hadn't had a division mate to smoke him up and if he hadn't been so skilled at nursing his ship he'd have done an OK, but not outstanding 50k damage in that battle.

 

An above average 54% win rate player like yourself, playing solo, would NOT be OP in the Cheeky.

 

I am not OP in the Chapayev. Some battles I do well, some battles I get deleted first. I play it only in Ranked at the moment. I'm still learning... But that's the fun of playing games, trying different things and seeing what works and what doesn't.

 

I do not have to play it to be able to call it broken op on certain maps in ranked battles, it's enough to have played against it. I reported this in the official ranked feedback thread, explained exactly what makes it broken on some maps in ranked and even offered WG a replay that shows exactly my point and how a player on the enemy team abused this ship to perfection and made it -read carefully now- impossible to win for our team. All that is required is a little bit of communication on the team with the chapayev and it's a free win as long as the other team does not have radar too.

And again, i refer to ranked and on some certain maps. I do not say it is broken op in general, but it is on certain maps with reduced team size when you know how to abuse it. Abusing exactly the points you mention in your endless wisdom - the chappy can position itself on some maps to be 100% immune to any kind of attack while covering all cap points with radar. I'd wanna see you how you easily citadel it, when you have no chance to attack it at all. Or how you want to cap a zone when you get nuked out of the water as soon as you step into the cap zone. And the 'just wait until the chappy has no more radar charges' does not work on teams with reduced members because by the time the charges are used up you are down 2 or more ships plus you have no cap point for long enough to lose by points.

I would not lightly claim it is broken op under certain circumstances, if i would not be 100% sure. I also would not explain in detail how to abuse it and even offer a replay to WG if i had doubts. The way this particular ship can be abused IN RANKED ON CERTAIN MAPS should never be possible, because it makes for unfair team compositions where one consumable decide what team wins.

 

BTW, good to see you upholding the Wargaming Forum tradition of being an ignorant forum user that only accept other peoples opinion based on the WR on a random website.

[Siekam]

The Chapa is such a fire whore, honestly WG should nerf its fire chance.

 

Well yeah.. Ofcourse we can't have a cruiser being able to stand up to the huge amounts of BB's flooding the higher tier matches for some time now, what was WG thinking...

/sarcasm off

 

I'm a fervent cruiser player but lately I've been having a hard time in KM & USN cruisers because you're usually with 2 or 3 cruisers which often get picked off right at the start. With Chapayev I at least get the feeling I can have a meaningfull contribution to the outcome of the match... By burning BB's...

 

With upgrades, flags and Cpt. skills I've given her a 19% firechance, which is great!!!

 

In any case, love the SN cruisers!

[xenopathia]

 

Well, it has radar and can stealthfire better... Why not keep it?

True.

I want to limit my port to 50 ships max so I don't want to keep ships I won't ever play.

Kutuzov fulfills it's duty quite pleasently there.

 

 

 

[xenopathia]

 

Well, it has radar and can stealthfire better... Why not keep it?

 

After 24 games with a 83% WR I decided to keep it.

Wasn't a hard decision

Actually I really like it now.

[brutus007]

Funny thing is - I do like Kutuzov more.... but have better results with Chapayev

Reason is probably that I have bad aim at max range with Kutuzov - while Chapayev forces me to to go bit closer and play more aggressive.

And have to admit it is very satisfying to sail 8 km from smoke, turn on radar and.... "surprise motherbuzer" .... watching DD to sh*t his pants when getting slaughtered by 12 152mm HE shells every 7.5 sec on almost point blank range on sitting target

 

[cro_pwr]

Scored a 215 000 damage (3rd highest damage in Chapayev on Europe, I think its 5th world wide, something like that) yesterday...
The ship is a monster when shooting things, but fragile piece of cardboard enveloped in paper armor when taking hits. Few days ago, I've citadeled enemy Chapayev trough the bow with my Chappy (that shows how weak the armor is), just to recieve double citadel trough the bow from enemy Iowa, deleting me in an instant...

But shes definitly a bully, and works pretty well with good positioning to burn down those pesky BBs that are infesting the games ;)

[El2aZeR]

You must've shot through the barbette to get frontal citadels. 25mm bow armor (same on other cruisers except RN CLs) means you need a caliber of at least 357,5mm to overmatch, making you very much capable of bouncing all cruiser caliber AP shells and then some. Hell, I've dueled a Scharnhorst close up in my Chappy and come out of it almost completely unscathed.

[xenopathia]

Scored a 215 000 damage (3rd highest damage in Chapayev on Europe, I think its 5th world wide, something like that) yesterday...

The ship is a monster when shooting things, but fragile piece of cardboard enveloped in paper armor when taking hits. Few days ago, I've citadeled enemy Chapayev trough the bow with my Chappy (that shows how weak the armor is), just to recieve double citadel trough the bow from enemy Iowa, deleting me in an instant...

But shes definitly a bully, and works pretty well with good positioning to burn down those pesky BBs that are infesting the games ;)

 

 

Nice stats Cro, congrats!

[Pupu_prpr]

Another Chapa commentary, this time focusing more on the on the moment where you need to change your playing style from defensive to offensive to have a bigger impact on the outcome of the game. Learning when you need to go IN in a HE spamming cruisers like the Zao, Ibuki or Chapayev is a very important part of directly impacting your own success and winrate in the game.

 

 

I made this vid in response to seeing zao/ibuki number 10000 who was at full hp when the game ended and complained about the team. Stupid overly defensive play isn't limited to just BBs.

[deadly_if_swallowed]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this video and pointing out that cruisers tend to kite away quite too often Awareness on battle progress and coming up with the right decision at the right time is very difficult and we all fail this sometimes, some more often than others. But aside from camping and sniping battleships, defensively kiting cruisers have become quite the nuisance to me when I actually place my battleships at point blank range in front of the enemy.

Great play as always, and a great advice in general!

[tenacious_torps]

Tried the recommended build from the first video, but found that without a 15pt captain on the ship the concealment module wasn't doing all that much for me. Rudder shift II produces a lot better results, kiting was so much easier. By now my Chappy captain has CE, so there's even some invisi-firing margin. Not as much, but it's there.

 

Question: Is it worth it to exchange the module now and go full concealment build? Can't make up my mind about it really. Sure, sneaking into nice radar positions will become a lot easier and that's certainly when I tend to take the most annoying damage, since it tends to be early on and restricts options for the rest of the match. On the other hand I feel like the increased amount of time I kite firing and not concealed has actually some synergies. I get rarely hit as long as I'm not getting focused from two directions at once and that's a lot of potential damage that stays potential and doesn't damage teammates. The mission that had people obsessed with killing Russian ships was an eye opener in that regard. Happened quite a lot, that I could drag two or three enemy ships completely out of position and have a nice little BBQ in some remote corner of the map. I doubt I'd have gotten away with it so often and so relatively unscathed without the rudder module.

 

So, can I hear the sales pitch for the concealment module in that light please? Do I miss something? 

[nooberg]

Invisi-firing is invaluable in times. That alone carried me trough the last Ranked Season.

 

And also - your radar range becomes bigger than your spotting range - so every time you are suddenly spotted. You KNOW that there is a DD ready for a nasty surprise.

in one word - Go for it.

[Zen71_sniper]

I am loving Chappy. It is a great ship once you get to know it. 

 

First part of the game, just flame everybody from the distance. But if you see a lone wounded CA/CL, or even a BB, do not be afraid to take on it, head on - just don't expose your sides. On cruisers you can use AP, but for the BB stick to HE. I am (if the team is good) getting between 70K to 100K average damage.

 

One question - where in general you find a radar range?

[deadly_if_swallowed]

Try the wiki  http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Consumables#Surveillance_Radar