Campaign to bring Heal to Tier 8 Cruisers

[Kazomir]

It is time. That should have happened ages ago.

 

I declare the campaign open to any member here. 

 

Atago was weak! WG chose to give it heal. With what are the other tier 8 cruisers so different? They are weak in this meta! They get deleted outright every game, and even little things such as fires inflicted by a pesky DD are PERMANENT DAMAGE.

This cannot stand!

 

Tier 8 CAs need heals. I believe this will not harm the meta in any way. On the contrary it will bring only positives. More cruisers mean more teamplay, as they are not your average selfish BB class hog as much damage as you can while drinking mountain dew and chewing on doritos  while reloading type of ship.(hope people recognize that as a joke)

 

Giving cruisers more lasting power will make matches more interesting as they do not develop into BB brawl as all cruisers are dead or trying to snipe from the edges of the map while DDs do their thing. W it will incentivise a bit more aggresion as they now have a tool to use if they lose a lot of hp in the early stage. We all know how bad it is when a lucky first salvo reduces you to 5k health and you can do nothing about it. Its simply not fun!

 

Thank you for hearing me out. Thoughts appreciated.

[txtspeak]

I dunno... I mean the new orleans is pretty crap, but I dont know if it needs that...

[Kazomir]

I dunno... I mean the new orleans is pretty crap, but I dont know if it needs that...

 

It does believe me. Any new orleans i see in a game takes a massive hit at some point and they simply cannot recover. It is sad to watch.

[Aerroon]

Yes, please. My Kutuzov needs heal. Please, wargaming fix.

[Kazomir]

Yes, please. My Kutuzov needs heal. Please, wargaming fix.

 

Kutuzov has smoke already which counts as damage reduction, but I aee you are not serious you sly fox.

[Tyrendian89]

some of them, yes. NO and Hipper come to mind. Others, like Chappy/MK - not so much.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

some of them, yes. NO and Hipper come to mind. Others, like Chappy/MK - not so much.

 

That would break everything, not to mention the rage

 

Its either entire tier or nothing.

[Nechrom]

Every time I get long range citadelled through the stern in the Prinz Eugen I'm looking for the repair button, realize it's not there and that I'm now at 10-20% HP for the remainder of my time in the battle.

 

While I do agree that giving tier 8 CA repair would benefit the game as a whole, it would also require some additional balance work since it could otherwise result in power creep.

For example the Atago without the uniqueness of having repairs is just a tier 8 Myoko with better torpedo angles but worse maneuverability and no AA.

[_cosmo]

i find cruisers fine as they are. And heals won't heal your citadel dmg all that much. Don't forget that RN cruisers have an improved heal, and look how much more survivable they are ;) besides, smoke and heal is the RN thing, let them keep it. i agree that some cruisers may need love, but that doesn't mean they should make an indiscrmiate mess of all cruisers. Just increase their rudder speed or decrease detection a bit where needed and call it a day. 

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

I played Mogami ; _ ; so yes give them heals. But not all of them. Especially not Kutuzow or ships that have smoke already.  

 

Actually that would be even worse to give some heals while others not. But then if you give heals to all cruisers some will be even more OP.

 

 

 

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I upvoted some funny stuff + one serious comment so sorry, I have no more.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

a big no for this

[passwordistooshort]

[edited]no

[anonym_hqO9wrVAEQYQ]

Only if the Brit shite ( sorry ships)  can spam HE as the heal is one of their "things". Or shall we just make all ships the same?

 

[piritskenyer]

Same answer as before:

 

Yes for some, no for all. Most heavy cruisers could use the heal (Mogami, New Orleans and from what I can gather Hippers as well), while light cruisers seem to be doing alright without it (Chappy, MK).

As a cruiser captain, I'm of course going to be in favour, but I don't think it is absolutely necessary. The problem of T8 cruisers is that they suddenly reach a point where they can reliably be pitted against things that can do them a real nasty without great effort, while retaining most of the features of mid-tier ships, which makes it somewhat difficult for them to damage their opposition back.

[viceadmiral123]

I don't think heal is the problem, but the lack of hard cap of the number of battleships in a match. Why would you play a fragile ship that goes pew-pew when you can play a fortress that can delete ships in 1 salvo.

[Kazomir]

I don't think heal is the problem, but the lack of hard cap of the number of battleships in a match. Why would you play a fragile ship that goes pew-pew when you can play a fortress that can delete ships in 1 salvo.

 

Hardcap wont deter people to play BB it will only make the que insanely long. Its counterproductive really.

 

Chapayev and kuruzov are doung fine wihout a heal yes. Thay can stay on long distance better than other cruisers i agree. But mogami, hipper and NO are doing way too little ATM. 

 

The citadels are not the main problem really. You get citadelled chances are its mostly your fault. It is that small things like fires from DDs and other cruisers that finush you off, and at tier 8 perma damage from fires is unacceptable. Especially with russian cruisers that seem to do 2 fires per salvo. Angling is ineffective against this!

[_cosmo]

Cruisers have ~5 times more hp than dds, they kill dds in a couple he salvos(which also cannot be angled against) and have more range than dds.If a dd kills a cruiser with fire, i'm sorry, but that is the cruiser's fault. To steal the kill, yes. To be annoying, yes. But if you get that much dmg from a dd, props to him. It's pretty much similar to a cruiser killing a bb with fires. Good gameplay should be rewarded accordingly, not made irrelevant because "i've got the bigger ship" and can press "T"

[159Hunter]

I see why, but then tier VII cruisers can also be matched with tier IX BB. Does that mean the tier VII cruisers also need heals?

But I guess you could give tier VIII cruisers the choice to pick heal as a consumable ( so no extra slot for them, they just have to give up one of their other consumables ).

[Bladezfist]

 

Hardcap wont deter people to play BB it will only make the que insanely long. Its counterproductive really.

 

Chapayev and kuruzov are doung fine wihout a heal yes. Thay can stay on long distance better than other cruisers i agree. But mogami, hipper and NO are doing way too little ATM. 

 

The citadels are not the main problem really. You get citadelled chances are its mostly your fault. It is that small things like fires from DDs and other cruisers that finush you off, and at tier 8 perma damage from fires is unacceptable. Especially with russian cruisers that seem to do 2 fires per salvo. Angling is ineffective against this!

 

It will make the queue long for BB players, I don't see a problem here...

[loppantorkel]

I'm not sure if they buffed the NO in some of the later patches. It seems to go better now than a few months back. I don't think I take as much damage as before. Still not a good ship, so.. heal would be nice.

[Tuuletar]

I think this would harm Tier 6-7 Balance then.

 

T8 for Cruisers is misfortune in general i agree but the line must be drawn somewhere.

I have got Hipper long time ago and i always felt it needed Repair Party.

[Zemeritt]

I've always had the idea that cruisers from T7 should get one (so max 3 times with skill and prem) small heal, which doesn't repair as much as the heal they get at T9. So the Atago and the RN light cruisers still would've a better heal.

[Kazomir]

I think this would harm Tier 6-7 Balance then.

 

T8 for Cruisers is misfortune in general i agree but the line must be drawn somewhere.

I have got Hipper long time ago and i always felt it needed Repair Party.

 

Tier 6/7s meeting tier 8s is allways a screwfest for the lower tier. It is up to the tier 8s on the other team to do the job with the lower tiers in the back.

[FloRead]

The problem as I see it is battleships being too difficult to kill as their natural predator(carrier) was nerfed to ineffectiveness/extinction. 

 

This seems too much of a stop-gap bandaid because if you give T8 cruisers a heal, what about T7/6/5 cruisers? They are still suffering the same problem as the T8 cruiser. If you give all cruisers a heal, then you are kicking a problem that cruisers face against battleships to destroyers now facing cruisers who are too survivable. 

 

For that, I vote no. Fix the problem of the battleship lacking its predator.

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

The problem as I see it is battleships being too difficult to kill as their natural predator(carrier) was nerfed to ineffectiveness/extinction. 

 

This seems too much of a stop-gap bandaid because if you give T8 cruisers a heal, what about T7/6/5 cruisers? They are still suffering the same problem as the T8 cruiser. If you give all cruisers a heal, then you are kicking a problem that cruisers face against battleships to destroyers now facing cruisers who are too survivable. 

 

For that, I vote no. Fix the problem of the battleship lacking its predator.

 

No. Fix cruisers. Leave carriers as they are.