ARP, Opting out.

[Jadefalken]

 

But how will you react next year, when the next anime collaboration starts?

 

The opt out for ARP is not selecting the Yokosuka port. The missions will disappear on first of january at the latest. If you really can't take tiny pictures of drawn female characters in after battle reports or in the mission screen you can always spend your time somewhere else.

 

Your hatred towards that content and anyone who might like it is quite obvious. You might want to learn about tolerance a bit and let those who enjoy the show, ships, characters, whatever enjoy it if they want to. Your opinion is not the only one in the world that counts.

 

Well the Soviet DD hatred got them nerfed beyond enjoyable.,... so who knows were the hatred arguments can go.

[Egoleter]

Quite apart from the--ahem--aesthetic qualities of the content in question, does "earning" an ARP captain still take up a space in your crew area that you cannot free up (because there is no way to fire them)?

 

Because last time I checked it does, & that is an unbearable affront to those of us who don't wish to ah, indulge in this side of the game, as we are expected to spend money, not even to play a "free-to-play" game, but just so we can buy more bunk-space & therefore have the spaces back in our own crew roster which we might have carefully husbanded (pardon the pun).

 

This has been the major annoyance for me & I know for others. With no way to opt out of "earning" further "rewards" of this nature, it makes me play less (I already got two or three of the fecking things by "mistake", simply by playing). I don't want any more & didn't want any in the first place.

 

Yes, they still take up that slot and can't be dismissed. But we will get free reserve slots in the next few days, as compensation for every ARP captain earned in the past.

 

There's no way I can see of opting out, so you'll either have to keep below tier 5 so you don't fulfill the requirement of tier 5 and up or you wait till January when the missions end. Although, can't you just sell the reward ships and have a few extra credits in pocket?

 

ARP ships can't be sold. Only time you can get soem silver for them is if you earn a duplicate of an already exisiting ship.

[Jadefalken]

 

Yes, they still take up that slot and can't be dismissed. But we will get free reserve slots in the next few days, as compensation for every ARP captain earned in the past.

 

 

ARP ships can't be sold. Only time you can get soem silver for them is if you earn a duplicate of an already exisiting ship.

 

So for us who have no intention to use the High School of Ships... why can't we sell them? other mission you can sell ships if you don't want them.

[Akula971]

Just to throw some soothing petrol on this bonfire of a thread.

 

Having an improvement in port filtering would be nice, leading to a less cluttered more focused game interface. I'd also ask for the ship filter to also hide the ships not selected, not just greyed out as it where.

 

On the subject of the these anime girls? Well you can see the attraction to the younger players of the game. But one should recognise the context in which they were created. Sexual attitudes to young girls in Japan is quite different to those here in the west. Its an entirely different culture, a culture where a film showing a gang of men stalking, chasing, kidnapping and raping a schoolgirl is considered acceptable for piped films in hotels, but genitals are pixelated (Modesty LOL), and yes that was a WTF moment. A culture of obedience, conformity, and were women are second class citizens. Having worked for a Japanese company, and spent 12 years travelling the world, working in Japan, the US, and Europe, I find their culture very interesting, and attractive, but it has a dark side too, like anywhere else really. They are I guess OK for young lads with furtive imaginations, but for older men?   somewhat worrying. Older perhaps, but immature.

 

So a better port filter would be nice. And for those of us with no interest in these ships, and "captains", the ability to dispose of them too. Each to their own.

Now flame away in a desperate attempt to change opinions. I hear King Canute has a spare seat next to him.

Cheerie bye now.......

[Jadefalken]

Just to throw some soothing petrol on this bonfire of a thread.

 

Having an improvement in port filtering would be nice, leading to a less cluttered more focused game interface. I'd also ask for the ship filter to also hide the ships not selected, not just greyed out as it where.

 

On the subject of the these anime girls? Well you can see the attraction to the younger players of the game. But one should recognise the context in which they were created. Sexual attitudes to young girls in Japan is quite different to those here in the west. Its an entirely different culture, a culture where a film showing a gang of men stalking, chasing, kidnapping and raping a schoolgirl is considered acceptable for piped films in hotels, but genitals are pixelated (Modesty LOL), and yes that was a WTF moment. A culture of obedience, conformity, and were women are second class citizens. Having worked for a Japanese company, and spent 12 years travelling the world, working in Japan, the US, and Europe, I find their culture very interesting, and attractive, but it has a dark side too, like anywhere else really. They are I guess OK for young lads with furtive imaginations, but for older men?   somewhat worrying. Older perhaps, but immature.

 

So a better port filter would be nice. And for those of us with no interest in these ships, and "captains", the ability to dispose of them too. Each to their own.

Now flame away in a desperate attempt to change opinions. I hear King Canute has a spare seat next to him.

Cheerie bye now.......

 

Well said sir!

[Doolio]

On the subject of the these anime girls? Well you can see the attraction to the younger players of the game.

You are effectively trying to condense the whole form of expression/stylization/cinematographic format into the hurr durr sexy gurlz notion. While that is certainly true for some, anime is simply a form of animated cinematographic form which follows a certain subtype of stylization. You can have Brothers Karamazov anime and have it completely genuine. For example, I personally have found only certain anime writers/directors among hundreds of novelists and philosophers to even come close to, say, Dostoyevski (and some of them I'd put side by side with him, even), whom I find to be the pinnacle when it comes to writing, philosophy and even psychological analysis in general. Probably because japanese are going through a schizoid period for the last 70 years and are most likely prone to existentialism, while also being condemned to be completely non-expressive and, well, dishonest in everyday life.

 

I mean, you wouldn't say that cinematography is silly because hollywood makes bad movies. I thought banalizing the entire platform such as animated form, into a singular simplified metric was exclusively a colloquial US-based thing (the notion of "Cartoons").

[_cosmo]

Quite apart from the--ahem--aesthetic qualities of the content in question, does "earning" an ARP captain still take up a space in your crew area that you cannot free up (because there is no way to fire them)?

 

Because last time I checked it does, & that is an unbearable affront to those of us who don't wish to ah, indulge in this side of the game, as we are expected to spend money, not even to play a "free-to-play" game, but just so we can buy more bunk-space & therefore have the spaces back in our own crew roster which we might have carefully husbanded (pardon the pun).

 

This has been the major annoyance for me & I know for others. With no way to opt out of "earning" further "rewards" of this nature, it makes me play less (I already got two or three of the fecking things by "mistake", simply by playing). I don't want any more & didn't want any in the first place.

 

apparently, you can get them removed if you send your wish to support. That's what some wg staff recommended to do for the doubled captains, but i see no reason they would refuse to delete even the single instances. However, you will not gain any spaces, afaik, the arp captains do not take up reserve slots, though i could be wrong(you can also just send them into their respective ships if they do, then deactivate yokosuka port to hide them. Temporary measure, yes, but a solution nevertheless untill you get support to delete them

 

 

and wow, the ammount of double standards and holier than thou in this thread is too damn large. Sure, wanting to opt out of missions is ok, but to look down upon a group of people becaus of their entertainment tastes differ, and then playing the democratic society card  is childish in the extreme, not to mention hypocritic and also discriminatory. What's next, hating ppl that wear a different hair style? A democratic world does not mean one person gets to decide what is right and what is wrong, but that everyone should overlook what everyone else is doing and not be offended by it. You cannot have democracy without compromise. It's not your democratic world, it's not mine, it's everybody's. And everybody's oppinions matter the same. Unless you think weighted voting should be implemented in a democratic world.

 

 

I would also like to point out to the people that dismiss anime fans as childish and unworthy if a second glance, that you are playing a game. I will use the same train of thought you have used for that and tell you somehting that i bet you have heard before: "games are for kids". And whatever excuse you have used to defend your hobby against the dissapointed/amused look that you received, consider that one used by the anime fans to defend their hobby as well. 

 

in the end it really is funny to see people using big ideological words when i suits them, without contemplating their whole meaning and realising they are undremining their own standing just as much as they are their opponents.

 

Tl;dr: wanting to opt out of things is fine and something i support. Dismissing another's hobby because it differs is hypocrtitical. Being offended by a little text and image is childish and unrealistic. You might as well complain about seing a commercial you don't like in a newspaper. Once again, tollerance seems to be in real short supply here. Just learn to live with one another. It's what society is about in the end, and on the internet as well. Turn a blind eye. 

 

P.s. As for the whole serving thing, sorry, it's completely irrelevant to either topics of games or hobbies. Or this forum topic itself. 

[Akula971]

On the subject of the these anime girls? Well you can see the attraction to the younger players of the game.

You are effectively trying to condense the whole form of expression/stylization/cinematographic format into the hurr durr sexy gurlz notion. While that is certainly true for some, anime is simply a form of animated cinematographic form which follows a certain subtype of stylization. You can have Brothers Karamazov anime and have it completely genuine. For example, I personally have found only certain anime writers/directors among hundreds of novelists and philosophers to even come close to, say, Dostoyevski (and some of them I'd put side by side with him, even), whom I find to be the pinnacle when it comes to writing, philosophy and even psychological analysis in general. Probably because japanese are going through a schizoid period for the last 70 years and are most likely prone to existentialism, while also being condemned to be completely non-expressive and, well, dishonest in everyday life.

 

I mean, you wouldn't say that cinematography is silly because hollywood makes bad movies. I thought banalizing the entire platform such as animated form, into a singular simplified metric was exclusively a colloquial US-based thing (the notion of "Cartoons").

 

 

My dear chap, you did not read or comprehend what I wrote. I said "these anime girls", and not all anime, these referring to a specify item or items, your resultant diatribe is misplaced. In the word of my old Japanese boss (a psychopath ), No good!, you must try harder! Lovingly referred to as big shouty boss (he was 5ft4).

Also I would add that airmen and soldiers who are going into battle, where they might die in a horrific manner, putting pin ups of mature women on their aircraft/vehicles to raise their spirits cannot be compared in any way to computer gaming nerds ranting over their "art" of pubescent girls. It is just disrespectful to their memory, and wrong on so many levels. Just so you know, most people would find it deeply concerning, and just downright creepy. I guess in conversation with the opposite sex it would be a perfect contraceptive.

[_cosmo]

Let's try to be a bit constructive: as method of opting out, i think opting in(as it was the case several times with maximum score contests, such as the british cruisers latest, i think), would be the best choice. Big news on the launcher and news page(not hidden in the forums):" arp missions!!to take part, please accept the following agreement. " click yes and that's it.

 

But there is a problem! If the agreement was signed on grounds of advertising material, this cannot be done, as advertising is supposed to be dispensed actoss as much of the population as possible. It would just defeat the purpose. The ideea of advertising is to get the attention of pleople that didn't know about the product, fans are already acquired. So it would never happen. It can also be mutual, if during arp episodes(or manga issues), there are wows colmercials: "play as kongou, myokou and takao! Join wows for free". You can see where i am going with this. It really matters what kind of agreement wg has with the japnaese studio.

 

on the sidenote, if some people were offended by arp characters as being too underaged, i have bad news for you.... haifury characters(the next collaboration that will be throught the next year) makes arp characters look like cougars if-u-know-what-i-mean.

 

 

P.s. also, wot has gup stuff, but it's on blitz .

[Atris2nd]

Must say, Doolio, I envy your argumentative skills. You actually know all the fundamentals and apply them very well. I just don't think you've met your match, given the person in question is wholly incapable of comprehending what you've been getting at for 4-5 pages. So kudos to you, you tried, but I don't think there's any point. 

[PonyOnSteroids]

So I personally don't really give two turds about the arp ships nor do I get excited that is captained by anime "girls".

But if anyone has been on 4chan back in the days, the whole situation about Japan and some anime is self-explanatory some are innocent and some of them are not. Although in this situation I don't really think the people mostly western people aren't excited just because they are girls, but just because they like the show. That these people refuse to believe some anime content is shady is perfectly normal, as all people who are a fan of specific things naturally go into defense mode if people critique it. But on this specific topic, I think this whole argument went overboard because instead of just saying "I want a opt out option because I don't feel the need to see the ships in any shape or form" there was a person who fueled the fire by suggesting those girl captains will get you in jail etc. What is wrong and offensive to the people who actually enjoy the show and don't use it for other means. And personally, I think this show doesn't really come close to what some people think it is. Trust me there are far worse Japanese anime shows that do actually come close to what has been suggested.

 

Just wanted to share this picture what is actually created in you guessed it Japan. Like I said there are really some really shady shows in Japan that would raise eyebrows and not in a good way, well at least for most people. 

 

 

But I wouldn't be prejudging a person for something he likes and loves to watch as entertainment, also this has been offered by WG them selfs I really think your out of your mind bringing up the pedo card to win an argument. 

 

[Damanta]

I also want to see an option not to see any ships that were never laid down as they are just as much fantasy as the anime content.

[Gojuadorai]

 

i see this as a whine about i cant stand to see the missions that give me free port slots and millions of credits(is beeing fixed atm afaik)

 

the hell?

[Admiral_noodle]

This escalated. Why does arp escalate so much? If these were other cartoon boats (idk, transformers maybe) there wouldn't be this much anger.

 

Firstly.... WG have a good compromise. Don't use Yoko poet and you can just ignore missions relating to ARP. They won't hurt you...

 

For me the question is why a lot of people find the anime disturbing. I would suggest it's because they have some kind of "stimulation" are appalled by it, assume anyone else who likes ARP must be getting some extra "gratification" and are therefore hostile...

 

- my pet theory.

 

In general the extra work involved in "opt outs" to hide all trace of ARP from a possibly easily offended few isn't justified by any gain for WG. Really... you can just ignore the ARP missions!

[Jadefalken]

 

What you seem to miss is that that was a pretty big mission batch. Doing all the ARP missions gets you you credit value of... I think 5 Kongos and 3 Myokos plus 8 port slots. That's a lot already. If they allowed the sale of ARP ships, the total would jump to 9 Kongos, 7 Myokos, 1 Atago and 17 port slots. WG just decided that this is too much free stuff - and I can't really blame them for that. 4 Kongos that can't be sold are still effectively just a Kongo. 4 port slots are 4 different port slots to be used however people want - and I'm pretty sure port slots are actually one of the things people buy on regular basis (I, for one, didn't buy many things for gold - but I did buy a couple port slots along the way when they were on sale).

That is most likely the main reason why ARP ships can't be sold.

 

Well still does not solve the problem of removing them, if I have the choice and many others have also stated... I do not care if WG take them away from port for good and allow me to turn of future content. That is all myself other and the OP want. I make enough credits so losing the credit value of the ships would not affect me personally. But the example was that other mission rewards ships you could get rid of.. ARP are stuck like a tumor.

 

I play this game with family and friends... doing a few games everyday for a laugh on TS and enjoy playing with ships... not sure why we need the fact ARP is in the game crammed down everyone throat after each battle. ARP will finish in January but they already confirmed more anime is coming... Simple solution make it optional to download the client with or without..

 

Hope this helps 

[Jadefalken]

This escalated. Why does arp escalate so much? If these were other cartoon boats (idk, transformers maybe) there wouldn't be this much anger.

 

Firstly.... WG have a good compromise. Don't use Yoko poet and you can just ignore missions relating to ARP. They won't hurt you...

 

For me the question is why a lot of people find the anime disturbing. I would suggest it's because they have some kind of "stimulation" are appalled by it, assume anyone else who likes ARP must be getting some extra "gratification" and are therefore hostile...

 

- my pet theory.

 

In general the extra work involved in "opt outs" to hide all trace of ARP from a possibly easily offended few isn't justified by any gain for WG. Really... you can just ignore the ARP missions!

 

Thanks for your input 

 

I agree with what you say but It's not impossible... personal offers are promoted to certain people... so it would not be that much harder for the dvs to implement 2 client folders for download?? one with ARP and Anime.. and 1 without...

[Gojuadorai]

well my post got eaten by the forums... dont want to type all that stuff again.

 

cause i have decided i should do with this topic what you should do with the arp content

 

IGNORE IT!

[eliastion]

 

Thanks for your input 

 

I agree with what you say but It's not impossible... personal offers are promoted to certain people... so it would not be that much harder for the dvs to implement 2 client folders for download?? one with ARP and Anime.. and 1 without...

 

Few people are bothered by ARP to the point where they would care about the opt-out-even-more option. Most of the not-giving-a-f*ck people REALLY don't give a f*ck about the content instead of being actively hostile to it. Creating a special client for these few who hate anime with passion... well, that just doesn't seem feasible. It's still some extra developer work, not with just creation but maintenance because then you need to care about bugs and stuff in that extra deanimefied client too! 

 

And frankly, we have enough problems with client and missions not working as intended as it is, without extra complications. We don't have too look far for these problems - ARP missions are there, there is no complication of them applying to some accounts and not to others - and we STILL got the problem where (at least some of) the eligible people don't get their credits compensation for duplicate ships.

[Admiral_noodle]

 

Thanks for your input 

 

I agree with what you say but It's not impossible... personal offers are promoted to certain people... so it would not be that much harder for the dvs to implement 2 client folders for download?? one with ARP and Anime.. and 1 without...

 

I don't know how hard it would be. Having a simple *hide mission* button is probably the easiest. 

 

But the fact people can't deal with seeing the ARP characters on screen is... somewhat concerning because I think it means they think anime is consumed by dirty men who are getting their rocks off... which I don't like. This is backed up when people say things like "I have a family I don't want this content". Like it's somehow "unwholesome". 

 

And the "having it shoved down our throats" comments further up touched a nerve in me. Bound to. 

 

I would like to not have to see Steven seagals face on the mission screen but I'm not going to start a forum complaint thread about it. 

[Jadefalken]

 

I don't know how hard it would be. Having a simple *hide mission* button is probably the easiest. 

 

But the fact people can't deal with seeing the ARP characters on screen is... somewhat concerning because I think it means they think anime is consumed by dirty men who are getting their rocks off... which I don't like. This is backed up when people say things like "I have a family I don't want this content". Like it's somehow "unwholesome". 

 

And the "having it shoved down our throats" comments further up touched a nerve in me. Bound to. 

 

I would like to not have to see Steven seagals face on the mission screen but I'm not going to start a forum complaint thread about it. 

 

Well his is only there for 4 weeks, ARP has been thrown at us for nearly a year!

 

Plus more to come... As a Supertester, could you pass on a request to the devs for a way to try to include an Opt Out Button or Client without it? 

[Admiral_noodle]

 

Well his is only there for 4 weeks, ARP has been thrown at us for nearly a year!

 

Plus more to come... As a Supertester, could you pass on a request to the devs for a way to try to include an Opt Out Button or Client without it? 

 

Of course. Although devs do actually read these threads and are aware that some people want ARP content more hidden. 

 

However I think it would be better to have a hide mission button because then it could be applied to any future collaboration. And each collaboration would have its own port and own mission key. "Hide missions of this type" would work. 

 

I just think it's unecessary and people are for too touchy. 

[Jadefalken]

 

Of course. Although devs do actually read these threads and are aware that some people want ARP content more hidden. 

 

However I think it would be better to have a hide mission button because then it could be applied to any future collaboration. And each collaboration would have its own port and own mission key. "Hide missions of this type" would work. 

 

I just think it's unecessary and people are for too touchy. 

 

Well it is not just me as you have seen from other forum users, Tired of it, when it was a month ok I could live with that... but every month and future more Anime to come... it's got to a lot of us.

 

Many respects and thanks for contacting the devs for us the best I could do was post a message on the ask WG staff a question 

 

Much respect and again thank you

[MrConway]

Quite apart from the--ahem--aesthetic qualities of the content in question, does "earning" an ARP captain still take up a space in your crew area that you cannot free up (because there is no way to fire them)?

 

Because last time I checked it does, & that is an unbearable affront to those of us who don't wish to ah, indulge in this side of the game, as we are expected to spend money, not even to play a "free-to-play" game, but just so we can buy more bunk-space & therefore have the spaces back in our own crew roster which we might have carefully husbanded (pardon the pun).

 

This has been the major annoyance for me & I know for others. With no way to opt out of "earning" further "rewards" of this nature, it makes me play less (I already got two or three of the fecking things by "mistake", simply by playing). I don't want any more & didn't want any in the first place.

 

This is true, unfortunately it took us a long time to get the details of all the players suffering from the issue, but we have it now.

 

I am happy to announce that over 165k players will be receiving at least one captain reserve slot as compensation for the clogged up slots. This should be happening next week (fingers crossed) and you will receive a notification when it happens.

 

 

Well it is not just me as you have seen from other forum users, Tired of it, when it was a month ok I could live with that... but every month and future more Anime to come... it's got to a lot of us.

 

Many respects and thanks for contacting the devs for us the best I could do was post a message on the ask WG staff a question 

 

Much respect and again thank you

 

Arpeggio will be coming to an end in two months, so there is no need to implement a feature like the opt-out at this point, if we have more similar cooperations in the future, this is definitely something to consider.

 

 

 

The tone of discussion in this thread has been toxic from the get-go. I know that there are people who really love and really hate anime on this forum, but this is no reason for the behaviour I have seen in this thread.

 

If you don't like the ARP content, please simply don't select the Yokusuka port for now and come January all ARP content will be gone if the port is not selected.

 

Mods will be along shortly to clean up, but I am putting this thread to rest now!

 

//closed