ARP Takao? nah, prepare for the ARP Nachi pain

[loppantorkel]

 

Oh, really? Sure, how would you, playing mostly Gearing, Fletcher and Benson (in that order) during last 10 days. Another rich (or happily having high-tier gunboats at hand) guy who "haven't seen that problem". Geeez. Look further than end of your nose.

That's the ships I usually play. I haven't seen many battles where people killsteal or yolo to kill Russian ships. No more than usual. ..so I think I see things as clearly as you, but I'm not panicking 1,5 months before the session ends. ...and maybe we're not all supposed to gain all ARP ships.. Would that be so terrible?

[CaptainThunderWalker]

I just got my 6th Russian kill because someone in a Leningrad thought it would be a smart idea to be within 2km of my Fubuki while my torps were almost reloaded. He detonated as he ate the first torp (but he would have eaten 2 out of the 3 I fired at him - didn't even bother with the other two sets which I used to sink a Gneisenau instead).

 

In my ARP Takao I'm noticing my kills always get stolen or denied otherwise.

 

@Loppandotrkel: I don't mind not getting the ship, but the voice of Nachi is probably the best we have in the game right now. I want a captain with that voice ^^ . Preferably on a British ship, so I don't have to listen to those twats... (yes, I'm aware that is impossible, but it would be very, very nice),

 

[Sonic_157]

 

@Loppandotrkel: I don't mind not getting the ship, but the voice of Nachi is probably the best we have in the game right now. I want a captain with that voice ^^ . Preferably on a British ship, so I don't have to listen to those twats... (yes, I'm aware that is impossible, but it would be very, very nice),

 

 

 

Actually, i think there is a mod for exactly that.

 

Also, check this video:

 

[CaptainThunderWalker]

 

 

Actually, i think there is a mod for exactly that.

 

Also, check this video:

 

 

I am aware, but I can't set my voice to Nachi when I don't have the ship unlocked. That and I actually like some variety in voices - it's just that the British voice annoys me way too much.

 

If there's a mod to swap Brits with Nachi voice, that would be nice. Going to look for one.

[EdiJo]

 

That's the ships I usually play. I haven't seen many battles where people killsteal or yolo to kill Russian ships. No more than usual. ..so I think I see things as clearly as you, but I'm not panicking 1,5 months before the session ends. ...and maybe we're not all supposed to gain all ARP ships.. Would that be so terrible?

 

My remark to you was not personal, nor about your specific choice of ships to play, but rather to point out that you are not an average player, so your experience in doing the mission is not very relevant to how hard the mission is to most of people. Certainly here on the forum there is overrepresentation of unicum players with nice T10 fleets - but the game and the missions are (or rather should be...) mostly not only for this narrow elite.

 

I also don't see too evident kill-stealing or suiciding "for the Russian kill". Sure "we're not all supposed to gain all ARP ships", but not to the degree that you have to be T9-T10 player to get T7 Nachi!

The only honest solution would be to set the requirement for T7 ships to T7, or even maybe to T6. Similarly T7-T8 for Takao.

Especially having in mind pathetic (co-op?) T4-T6 requirements on AS/RU/NA.

 

So I would expect some logical arguments from the EU Team explaining what they were thinking setting EU requirements so absurdly high.

 

[Jvd2000]

 

 

I also don't see too evident kill-stealing or suiciding "for the Russian kill". Sure "we're not all supposed to gain all ARP ships", but not to the degree that you have to be T9-T10 player to get T7 Nachi!

The only honest solution would be to set the requirement for T7 ships to T7, or even maybe to T6. Similarly T7-T8 for Takao.

Especially having in mind pathetic (co-op?) T4-T6 requirements on AS/RU/NA.

 

So I would expect some logical arguments from the EU Team explaining what they were thinking setting EU requirements so absurdly high.

 

 

This! We are not playing for a Flint or some kind of reward ship that is only given too the real "good" players that have proven too be either good or really invest a lot of time in wows (or both) so that they can show off with their shiny, limited available ship. Nachi is one of the 9 ARP ships (and one of a group of 4 identical ones) that has no real reason for WG to ask for such unwanted requirements. There is no harsh requirement in RU, Asia and NA. Why put EU through this crap?

WOWS lowered the unique Takoa to a tier lower (9-->8) after an uproar from the community but refuse to lower Nachi even if she fits the same argument to do so(mission lvl = tier lvl). And even then the mission requirement for Nachi is harsher then the 50 victories of Takao. WG really hates the bulk of its EU players...

 

 

 

[malw4re]

another night without a russian ship sunk... yah, Im just gonna have to say that this mission is... just terrible. this is just perfectly set up to promote toxic behavior and its extremely polarising. this isnt a mission anymore... its just a grind. something that has to be done. its not fun, its not rewarding. just... has to be done. well done WG.

[Waifu_is_Laifu]

This event brings out the worst in me... All I ask is 1 russian frag a day, instead I turn into a toxic blob...

 

Please, at least one tier lower for the requirement...

[BaronMannerheim]

Got Takao thanks to my Yamato. Currently I'm grinding for Nachi and I'm:

20/20 JPN

20/20 USN

12/20 RU

15/20 KM

This mission is REALLY frustrating and it encourages so much dumb gameplay. After the start, all begin to search for that single udaloi or that hidden kutuzov; after it's dead the real game begins. Ok it's not always this way but u can see many suicide manouvres from allies, carriers throwing everything they got, all trying to get the kill before the others.

Lowering tier requirement to 7 would be really appreciated.

Anyway hope it ends soon.
 

[SirDave_1]

This is really starting to take the micky now, wargaimng are plane wrong about this and they know  it and yet .... nothing , not a peep out of them. This is making the game worse for all that play at t6 and above at the moment. people (myself included) are haveing to yolo and throw the whole game for the whole team simply for a CHANCE to try for a russain kill. and as often as not you get nothing cause you are killed first or someone else lands the killing blow. and thats in games where there is even a russain ship on the other team. But wargaiming know this, they the know that its making they game worse for people even those that have no interest in the ARP event. All of this to protect some moron that sat in an office in paris from having his ego bruised, all these frustrated players just so one guy dose not have to admit he made and error of judgment. And to top it of it is such an easy fix, Lower the amount we have to kill or instead open it up to tier 7 or you could even say that its kill 20 russian / Royal navy ships. But know we gotta protect this guys feelings, he might get sad if he has to admint a mistake twice over the same event.

I wanna be a team player i really do and ill often put myself in harms way for the good of the team. That being said im also a big fan of the ARP manga and anime and this is the last ship i need in the set and since there will be no second chance to get this ill do what i must to make sure i have it. 9 kills to go people until There done im sorry for all the YOLO.

 

[Ranyxx]

 

I think you are exaggerating a bit with those parts I marked above. You are a unicum player with Yamato, Montana, Fletcher, Fubuki, Kutuzov, Benson and Bismarck. Nice & good for you, but this is way above average, and has nothing to do with ability of most players to complete the missions. Try only having NCal & Amagi like me (recently fortunately I finally got Takao, too).

 

Regarding "numerous Nachis" - during week ending at 2016-11-12 on EU server were only 187 games (out of ~2 millions T5-T9 games total) in Nachi played by ... 9 players. So 9 people on the whole server managed to get the ship in time shorter than almost 2 weeks and played it that week. Unfortunately data for last week are still in preparation, but I certainly dont see "numerous" Nachis. If I recall correctly, I've seen 1 (one) in tens of games during last week.

 

 

Oh, really? Sure, how would you, playing mostly Gearing, Fletcher and Benson (in that order) during last 10 days. Another rich (or happily having high-tier gunboats at hand) guy who "haven't seen that problem". Geeez. Look further than end of your nose.

 

 

Why there is still no response from Coordinators or Devs on their obviously bad decisions regarding the EU requirements? "Completion rate" OK? Designing tier 7-8 ship missions for T9-T10 players (while all other servers allow T4-T6) is fine?

Sry but, someone really needs a reality check.  Has the fact that I'm an above average player contributed to my ability to complete the mission?  Sure.  Has the Montana or Yamato?  Hmm...considering I've only played 6-8 matches combined with those ships since the event started, I'd say not so much.  I managed one Russian ship kill while playing those ships.  The Fletcher?  Well, again, one poor Khaba kill (albeit the last one I needed to finish the mission).  Not bad considering I just unlocked that ship yesterday evening.  So, the majority of my Russian ship kills came from playing the Benson (which is the branch I'm "grinding" right now), the Fubuki (which I'm playing so that I can enjoy the Japanese DDs before WG totally fubars them) and, the Bismarck (which I just like playing).  The Kutuzov I've been playing to help whiners like you out but, that's going to stop.  Besides, as I mentioned in my previous post, I only helped one person out.  But, I did not get any Russian ship kills while sailing the Kutuzov (that I can remember, at least).  You did forget my Atago and Tirpitz (that I *paid* money for) but, that's ok, I haven't taken them out of port either.  So, that means, I was able to essentially complete the mission sailing 3 T8 ships.  *You* have a NC, an Amagi, a NO and, after all those games in your Kiev, certainly enough xp to unlock the Tashkent.  Meaning, you have access to 4 T8 ships and, no one is stopping you from purchasing your own Atago or Tirptiz.   What exactly is your problem?

 

Wait!  Stop the presses!  After the mission being active for a whole 1.5 weeks out of its planned 2 month lifespan, only 9...that's right, folks, ONLY 9 players managed to complete it (and, actually play the damn thing)!!!!! Dude, really?  I'm willing to bet that there are at least that many in this post that have said they've finished.  I doubt all those who have finished come to the forums.  I doubt all that have finished actually play the thing.  I know I won't.  Regardless, while "numerous" is a relative term, I stand by my claim that, given the short time the event has been active, *I*, yes *I*, feel as if I've seen quite a number of them out there already (given that we're only 2 weeks in) and, I'm certain their numbers will continue to increase.  I came to this thread simply to offer encouragement.  I, without changing my playstyle in any way, or focusing on actually trying to meet the requirements, managed to complete the mission within a couple of weeks.  I imagine that a great many number of players will manage to do the same given how much friggin' time is left.

 

As I've said before, I do agree that WG should treat servers equally.  I think mission requirements/awards should be the same on all servers.  If nothing else, to simply save themselves the ire of their customers.  That said, please understand one thing.  WG is NOT obligated to GIVE you jacksh*t.  Get over your sense of entitlement and, instead, appreciate the fact that they have provided a mission for you whereby you can potentially earn a FREE ship.

[EdiJo]

Sry but, someone really needs a reality check. 

 

Yup, I agree. Wake up, please...

 

Has the fact that I'm an above average player contributed to my ability to complete the mission?  Sure.  Has the Montana or Yamato?  Hmm...considering I've only played 6-8 matches combined with those ships since the event started, I'd say not so much.  I managed one Russian ship kill while playing those ships.   

 

That's 1/20, not bad. I scored only 11 so far grinding quite hard tier 8 I DON'T LIKE. Well, I like the ships, and I like +/-1 games, but there is waay too much T10 MM these days. I showed this in another post - the effect of EU Nachi and Takao mission requirements is simple: doubling of the T9-T10 games from one week to another! Hence T8 MM sucks way more than a week ago (when maybe you completed the mission, dunno).

 

The Fletcher?  Well, again, one poor Khaba kill (albeit the last one I needed to finish the mission).  Not bad considering I just unlocked that ship yesterday evening.  So, the majority of my Russian ship kills came from playing the Benson (which is the branch I'm "grinding" right now), the Fubuki (which I'm playing so that I can enjoy the Japanese DDs before WG totally fubars them) and, the Bismarck (which I just like playing).  The Kutuzov I've been playing to help whiners like you out but, that's going to stop.  Besides, as I mentioned in my previous post, I only helped one person out.  But, I did not get any Russian ship kills while sailing the Kutuzov (that I can remember, at least).  You did forget my Atago and Tirpitz (that I *paid* money for) but, that's ok, I haven't taken them out of port either.   

 

Didn't "forget", I took your most _played_ ships of T8-T10 range during that period.

 

 So, that means, I was able to essentially complete the mission sailing 3 T8 ships.  

 

OK. So especially for you I repeat what I wrote in one of the other posts: "Mission for the T9-T10 players OR happy owners of high-tier gunboat or CV". Add to that maybe "and suitable highest-tier premiums"... Anyway, still, not a large fraction, selected with the criteria completely not fitting to the T7 reward.

 

 *You* have a NC, an Amagi, a NO and, after all those games in your Kiev, certainly enough xp to unlock the Tashkent. 

Meaning, you have access to 4 T8 ships and, no one is stopping you from purchasing your own Atago or Tirptiz.   What exactly is your problem?

 

Regarding Atago, Tirpitz. First "problem" is "solved" by first grinding the Takao. It is a bit better for the mission than battleships, but still far from what I could do if only I could use Kiev, for example. Even in T8-T9 games. Tirpitz is another question. I just recently bought a Belfast bundle (to solve credit bankruptcy when playing T8+), and I think it is enough money I put in that. Don't feel very eager to pay a hefty sum of cash for Tirpitz or Kutuzov only because our EU team somehow thought it will be fun to set requirements as T8+ in the mission which other servers set as T4-T6 co-op. 

 

Regarding my owned ships - when missions were announced, I had only NCal ready for battle. Amagi was bought and grinded out later - do you still remember, how it is to play a stock T8 BB against (more frequent now) T9-T10 MM? Don't think so. Add to that "the mission" for killing (finishing, not just crippling) some very-rare distant HE-spamming cruisers or (LOL) destroyers...

 

Tash and Orleans are just that - once acquired, and I never played them again. 1-point captain, zero upgrades. Would need weeks of grinding before they are usable "for killing", especially the Tash in current "hunt the Russian!" meta. Takao is a nice addition, and finally I can have some choice who to kill and chance to finish the kill, because I'm not shooting once per half a minute. Unfortunately, not much luck today - about 50% of games without Russians, about 50% of games T10 MM, a few times I dealt 90% dmg to a Russian, but the kill was stolen. My feeling is I have zero influence on whether I can progress in this mission - all is random. So I'm still on 20/20/11/20, with zero progress this weekend. How many free weekends do I have to play WoWS till the 1.01? Certainly not all.
 

Wait!  Stop the presses!  After the mission being active for a whole 1.5 weeks out of its planned 2 month lifespan, only 9...that's right, folks, ONLY 9 players managed to complete it (and, actually play the damn thing)!!!!! Dude, really?  I'm willing to bet that there are at least that many in this post that have said they've finished.  I doubt all those who have finished come to the forums.  I doubt all that have finished actually play the thing.  I know I won't. Regardless, while "numerous" is a relative term, I stand by my claim that, given the short time the event has been active, *I*, yes *I*, feel as if I've seen quite a number of them out there already (given that we're only 2 weeks in) and, I'm certain their numbers will continue to increase.  

 

Well; you "feel", I get the only data I can, and they are close to zero. If the situation really is like some T10 guys announce, that it is perfectly doable, and they kill Russians every day - certainly after almost 2 weeks one would expect more than 9 guys on the whole server showing the reward, right?

 

When the next week will be calculated on the maplesyrup site I'll update. I dont expect ("feel", if you like) that to be "numerous" anyway, because for example today I haven't seen a single Nachi (yet I met many many Takaos and other ARP cruisers in T8 games).

 

I came to this thread simply to offer encouragement.  I, without changing my playstyle in any way, or focusing on actually trying to meet the requirements, managed to complete the mission within a couple of weeks.  I imagine that a great many number of players will manage to do the same given how much friggin' time is left.

 

And I am trying to explain to you that your "encouragement" can be read just as "I did it easily, so stop whining".

And that you are completely not entitled to say such thing, because you are not an average Joe. I don't know how to put this in simpler words.

 

 

As I've said before, I do agree that WG should treat servers equally.  I think mission requirements/awards should be the same on all servers.  If nothing else, to simply save themselves the ire of their customers.  That said, please understand one thing.  WG is NOT obligated to GIVE you jacksh*t.  Get over your sense of entitlement and, instead, appreciate the fact that they have provided a mission for you whereby you can potentially earn a FREE ship

 

Well, there are 2 "kinds" of players: those who pay (and they can easily justify their "sense of entitlement", right?), and those who "play for free" - and this is the concept you are clearly misunderstanding

IMHO they also put an added value to the game, by simply making the "critical mass" of the playerbase and potential market for joining the first group. Without "free" playerbase the game would be dead, because I don't think there is enough paying customers and WoWS already shows signs of underfilling on the servers.
That saying - I think that both "kinds" of players deserve at least having fun playing & solving missions prepared for them, and not be discouraged/enraged without any logical explanation from the "EU team".

Those missions should be a bonus to normal play, not complete game-changer totally skewing players' behavior and turning upside-down whole server statistics (like +100% increase of T9 and T10 games percentage on EU even despite a whole new line of RN cruisers being introduced not long ago). And any reasonably trying player should have a real chance for meeting the requirements, assuming he/she is at least at tier level similar to the reward ship and has win ratio at least somewhat resembling ~50/50.

 

[Ranyxx]

 I scored only 11 so far grinding quite hard tier 8 I DON'T LIKE. Well, I like the ships, and I like +/-1 games, but there is waay too much T10 MM these days. I showed this in another post - the effect of EU Nachi and Takao mission requirements is simple: doubling of the T9-T10 games from one week to another! Hence T8 MM sucks way more than a week ago (when maybe you completed the mission, dunno).

 

The fact that you "don't like" T8 is irrelevant.  That *you* feel there is way too much T10 MM these days, likewise.  That WG may have had this affect in mind (increasing the number of T9-T10 games) makes perfect sense from many perspectives not the least of which might be their desire to sell more premium high-tier camos.  I, like many players, don't enjoy T9-T10 matches nearly as much as I do the T5(6)-T8 bracket (for me, this is the "sweet spot").  I could go on at length of what I perceive to be the reasons for my distaste of T9-T10 matches but, again, it is equally irrelevant.  As far as when I completed the mission, it was yesterday evening before I made the post to which you first responded.

 

 Anyway, still, not a large fraction, selected with the criteria completely not fitting to the T7 reward.

 

"Not fitting" in YOUR opinion.  It seems WG EU disagrees with you.  That is their right.

 

 do you still remember, how it is to play a stock T8 BB

 

H3ll no!  I NEVER play a stock ship.  (Free tip for you there.)

 

...Would need weeks of grinding before they are usable...

 

It is no one's fault but your own that you do not have ships in port that are not optimized to complete this mission.  WG can not take this into account when they make their plans.  Or, should they also worry that new Player X that started last month also can not complete said mission?

 

 So I'm still on 20/20/11/20, with zero progress this weekend.

 

Again, reality check, pls.  You are already at 11.  Given there are 6 weeks left, I see no reason for you to "panic".  But, if you are unable to play due to the holidays or, what not, again, this is not WG's fault.  If it is, then I wish to log a complaint about the missions they frustratingly released while *I* was away for 3 weeks this past summer.  How dare they?!

 

continued....

[Ranyxx]

...continued from previous post:

 

 If the situation really is like some T10 guys announce, that it is perfectly doable, and they kill Russians every day - certainly after almost 2 weeks one would expect more than 9 guys on the whole server showing the reward, right?

 

Wrong.  I would expect that if they killed on average one Russian ship per day that we would have a fair number of "guys" with the reward after 20 days.  Clearly, there were some that managed to kill more than one Russian ship per day on average and, therefore, got the reward sooner.  Nonetheless, one can complete the mission by having an average far below this (like around 1 kill per 2-3 days).

 

 And I am trying to explain to you that your "encouragement" can be read just as "I did it easily, so stop whining".

 

I never said I "did it easily", I simply was pointing out that I did it without even concentrating on doing so.  Perhaps if you simply play the game to have fun and not be fixated on a mission, you might find that you enjoy it more and that you, too, will "magically" complete the mission in due time.  Regardless, yes, I think you all should "stop whining" for reasons already pointed out.

 

 Well, there are 2 "kinds" of players: those who pay (and they can easily justify their "sense of entitlement", right?), and those who "play for free" - and this is the concept you are clearly misunderstanding

 

Wrong again.  I pay.  H3ll, I pay way too much.  But, I do not believe that gives me a right to be "entitled".  It is, or should not be, a P2W game.  The only thing that bothers me is if I purchase a premium ship and it gets nerfed (whether directly or indirectly via other changing game mechanics / MM).  *That* does bother me because now that ship is no longer the ship I actually decided to purchase.  But, otherwise, no I do not believe that by paying for the game I am somehow entitled to free giveaways.  I do appreciate them, however.

 

 Without "free" playerbase the game would be dead, because I don't think there is enough paying customers and WoWS already shows signs of underfilling on the servers.

 

Well, I'm sure WG would agree with you that there aren't enough paying customers.   That's probably why they try to milk those that are stupid enough willing to pay for all they're worth.  But, "underfilling the servers"?  Sorry, but I don't know anyone who was so delusional as to think this game would be as popular as WoT.  It is a game for a niche market.  Nonetheless, I have been reading about the demise of this game due to low server population since CBT.  Frankly, the numbers seem to have been steady for quite some time now.  Easily over 20k concurrent users at *peak* times and, even these past weekends I've seen it up over 30k.  The rumors of WoWs imminent demise are, as usual, greatly exaggerated.

 

 ...without any logical explanation from the "EU team".

 

Sorry, are you new here?  "Logic" and WG are oxymorons.  We can wish all we want but, I don't see any evidence to suggest this will change.

 

 And any reasonably trying player should have a real chance for meeting the requirements, assuming he/she is at least at tier level similar to the reward ship and has win ratio at least somewhat resembling ~50/50.

 

While I do not disagree with you, this is your opinion.  It does not have to be WG's.

 

Let me be clear, I'm not a WG "apologist".  I'm more than happy to bash them when they deserve it (see my other posts).  But, in the case of this mission for a free ship, other than their insistence on not applying conditions equally across the different servers (and that's only because I know about it), I can not find anything to get outraged over.  And again, for you specifically, I remain confident that you will manage to complete it if you continue to make similar progress as you have already demonstrated.  GL, HF & "over and out!"

[Captain_Strawberry]

Takao got. Just the Nachi mission now. 6 USN, 10 SN and 4 KM ships left. Things picked up when I acquired the Fubuki. Might actually do the improbable.

[TycBrum]

You realize you still have 6 weeks to complete this right ??

 

[Jvd2000]

You realize you still have 6 weeks to complete this right ??

 

 

Yes, 6 more weeks of torture, unfun gaming and irritation. Should I be grateful now? And even then with my current progress its not granted that I end up with 20 kills on 31-12. yesterday I had a ranked 1 player in an Izumo went YOLO to kill a Kutnetzov. Which he killed. But sank afterwards from torp dmg without even trying to do something else for the team. And he was happy for getting another kill, announcing it proudly in chat. I am doing the same now too holding my fire, maintaining my concealment, trying to close in towards an enemy cruiser and try to wait until he is close to dieing or even ram him front nose. When there are no targets i tell my team i am to suicide to get out of the game. If they have problems --> blame WG! My karma did not dip yet so at least I think they understand my pov. So, yes 6 more weeks of fun

[ilhilh]

Got the Nachi a few days back... it isn't like I'm ever going to use it but it is nice to have.  This weekend I held back on 2 kills to let someone else get their SN kills - I wasn't guaranteed to get them but I probably would have, but there were other ships shooting at them and I had alternative targets so switched.

 

I think I'm going to call it quits on the 200 torps mission - I would rather progress some lines than play elited ships chasing torp kills.

[CaptainThunderWalker]

I am grinding the Fubuki (to Kagero), so the 200 torp hits come in time...

 

The Aoba (now Myoko) and Takao get some of the torp action as well.

 

The Nachi is proving to be a huge pain. The Fubuki frags the occassional Russian but it is too little to complete the mission at this rate.

 

 

[salva_barbus]

I'm at 13/20 and in serious doubts I'll finish this mission. Of course I'll try, but the toxicity is overwhelming.

[EdiJo]

@Ranyxx

 

The fact that you "don't like" T8 is irrelevant.  That *you* feel there is way too much T10 MM these days, likewise.  

I have shown from weekly stats comparison between US/EU, that there is significant change in tier "popularity" as a result of new missions. This simply means that people are forced to use high-tiered ships, which they wouldn't use otherwise. After mission ends, I am confident that the tier-distribution will promptly go back almost to the original one, maybe with some residual effect of some players who acquired new ships for the mission AND liked the gameplay...

 

Besides, I wrote at the end of my post, that any player being at T7 with average win-rate should be able to fulfill the requirements for a T7 ship without playing 20 hours/day. 

 

 "Not fitting" in YOUR opinion.  It seems WG EU disagrees with you.  That is their right.

 

No, man. You can't "disagree" about the numbers. T7 is T7, and this is the definition of "fitting". T7 reward implies T7 requirement (or T6, assuming requiring players to "be prepared for T7").
Any higher (or lower...) requirement is "not fitting", by definition.

 

I NEVER play a stock ship.  (Free tip for you there.)

Heh. Certainly not free. I used ~40k free exp to get to Amagi B-hull and accelerate C-hull/range. And again, I'm not so 'average Joe' either, having some premiums and ~3.5k games. You should really adjust your perspective ;)

 

It is no one's fault but your own that you do not have ships in port that are not optimized to complete this mission.

No, but you miss my point - I don't whine about not having ships but rather about requirements being absurdly high. If the reward would be a T9 ship I wouldn't mind at all if the mission requires T8/9.

 

You are already at 11.  Given there are 6 weeks left, I see no reason for you to "panic".  But, if you are unable to play due to the holidays or, what not, again, this is not WG's fault. 

Wrong. Look at server stats. I played 93 battles during last week. And from the table you can read that typically only ~1/40 of players exceeds 100 games/week. Even during last week (mission grinding time) that coefficient has grown only to 1/20. So with 93 games I devoted way above average amount of time to get these 11 Russians, and assuming such a playing time to fulfill a mission is way out of scale. Objectively. It is a fact, not an opinion.

 

I would expect that if they killed on average one Russian ship per day that we would have a fair number of "guys" with the reward after 20 days. 

Ever heard about probability distributions? If even the "5% elite" killed - on average- 1/day, fraction of them would kill more than that and there would be much much more players having (and supposedly showing off) the Nachi even after 5-12 days than 9/~100000. 

 

I never said I "did it easily", I simply was pointing out that I did it without even concentrating on doing so.

Which is exactly the same, isn't it?

 

 

Perhaps if you simply play the game to have fun and not be fixated on a mission, you might find that you enjoy it more and that you, too, will "magically" complete the mission in due time.

Apart from this irrational suggestion, you have some arguments, right? How exactly "playing the game to have fun" (which means for me mostly T3-T7) would "magically" complete the T8 mission "in due time" lol.

 

 

Regardless, yes, I think you all should "stop whining" for reasons already pointed out.

So I was basically right understanding your "encouraging" more as "I did it easily with my superior ships so it is doable and you peasants stop whining". 

 

 

I pay.  H3ll, I pay way too much.  But, I do not believe that gives me a right to be "entitled".  It is, or should not be, a P2W game.

I am talking about the opposite of pay to win. Every average paying or non-paying Joe with reasonably-more-than-average effort should be able to complete the missions assuming he is at tier level of the ships offered as the reward. What is so complicated in this sentence that you change it to "P2W"?

 

 

The only thing that bothers me is if I purchase a premium ship and it gets nerfed

This is very limited understanding of "getting what you paid for". You didn't pay for the pixels nor numbers at your ship's specs. You paid for a part of the game, which game is supposed to give you some fun in general. And this is what you can expect for your money - among others, not spoiling your fun by some unjustifiable decisions of local server admins. 

 

Besides, pixel stats can be "ruined" in many other ways, because instead of direct nerfing one can remove advantages by buffing up the competing vessels. Or changing the matchmaking. Or increasing abundance of a ship class being counter to your premium. Or...

 

Sorry, but I don't know anyone who was so delusional as to think this game would be as popular as WoT.  It is a game for a niche market.

It depends. Maybe. I mentioned underfilling because that shows that non-paying players are vital to WoWS.

 

 

Easily over 20k concurrent users at *peak* times and, even these past weekends I've seen it up over 30k.  The rumors of WoWs imminent demise are, as usual, greatly exaggerated.

I'm not talking about trends, but about current state. Just playing slightly outside of the peak-times shows selection effects, up to the point of non-playability during late-hours. 

 

 

"Logic" and WG are oxymorons.

Well, although lately I am really keen to incline, I am trying to assume that some dialogue and reasoning is possible.

 

 

While I do not disagree with you, this is your opinion.  It does not have to be WG's.

This is a discussion, I present my point, and expect some reply from WG (or other players, like you) regarding what they think about it, and why.

 

in the case of this mission for a free ship, other than their insistence on not applying conditions equally across the different servers (and that's only because I know about it), I can not find anything to get outraged over. 

Different requirements between servers are one thing, and setting them absurdly high is another matter.

 

 

And again, for you specifically, I remain confident that you will manage to complete it if you continue to make similar progress as you have already demonstrated.  GL, HF & "over and out!"

I'm not so sure... Thx tho! 

 

 

[TycBrum]

 

Yes, 6 more weeks of torture, unfun gaming and irritation. Should I be grateful now? And even then with my current progress its not granted that I end up with 20 kills on 31-12. yesterday I had a ranked 1 player in an Izumo went YOLO to kill a Kutnetzov. Which he killed. But sank afterwards from torp dmg without even trying to do something else for the team. And he was happy for getting another kill, announcing it proudly in chat. I am doing the same now too holding my fire, maintaining my concealment, trying to close in towards an enemy cruiser and try to wait until he is close to dieing or even ram him front nose. When there are no targets i tell my team i am to suicide to get out of the game. If they have problems --> blame WG! My karma did not dip yet so at least I think they understand my pov. So, yes 6 more weeks of fun

 

Just play and dont even try to get it, i achieved it by just playing, i havent gone out to gain any of them but have completed them all anyway, if you dont think about them then for me at least, i fly through them

[Gingryu]

Finisher Nachi-Mission last Wednesday (or was it on Tuesday?). Been playing Leningrad and Schorsch more frequent since then.

But still had to make 3 RU kills (can not let a Zippo stay alive and two kills when game was at stake) and letting two other RU-ships alive for other people to kill...

 

So i could be by 25 RU ships by now.... So it should be possible.

 

At first i thopught it might be from playing Benson and Fletcher mostly but i still manage to get several kills with Bismarck and Takao.

I guess my style is more aggressive the average. Maybe this is the key to secure more RU kills...

 

I will continue to play more Leningrad and Schorsch for other players to get RU-kills for Nachi so catch me if you can ;-)

[Querulous]

The toxicity this event brings seems unquestionable. The requirements for "average" players are also very high and consequently lead anyone with an average play time to adjust their gameplay in negative ways. People who play many more hours than average per day can certainly have completed this already, but for the rest..... additionally even they must surely have seen odd behaviour in games caused by this mission.

[ilhilh]

The toxicity this event brings seems unquestionable.

 

Can't say I have seen toxicity levels change during the event.  Or do you just mean it increases your toxicity levels?