66Schwifty Players 223 posts 4,848 battles Report post #1 Posted November 3, 2016 howdy folks, i just need your general opinion. i really liked the Cleveland, even bought the permanent camouflage for it, but then i needed credits and sold it. i know, maybe a silly solution to my credit problem, but i am a hothead. now... i'd really like to buy it again, but there have been numerous rumours regarding the Cleveland, like "it will become a Tier VIII CL", and now i'm at the crossroads. a part of those rumours was that it will be buffed, but we don't know how exactly. if it will become a Tier VIII ship indeed, the only way i'd ever play it as a Tier VIII would be as a sort of DD hunter, and for that i would need a radar. now, as we aren't sure if it will get one, i can't really convince myself to buy it again. but then again, i'd really like to, since i liked the "Cle(a)veland way". so the big question is - should i buy it again? one thing worth mentioning - i have the Molotov and i love it to bits. much better than Cleveland ever was (IMO). but i am sure i'd enjoy the Cleveland again. as a Tier VI nightmare it is, and as a Tier VIII DD hunter (if it ever gets the radar) as well. but if it gets moved up but doesn't get the radar it will be another waste of credits. again, IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #2 Posted November 3, 2016 dont concern yourself with the US cruiser line split. That is nowhere close to happening. Decide based on the merits or otherwise of the Cleveland in its current T6 state. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #3 Posted November 3, 2016 As mentioned - it won't be anytime soon. So if you liked Cleve, simply rebuy her and play her for funs and credits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #4 Posted November 3, 2016 Unless the good AA is really important to you I'd just stick with Russian CLs for your 152mm HE needs. Much better ballistics, arguably better armor and short range torpedoes for whatever it's worth. Just get done grinding the Kirov and you'll have CL goodness for the next 3 tiers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #5 Posted November 3, 2016 Unless the good AA is really important to you I'd just stick with Russian CLs for your 152mm HE needs. Much better ballistics, arguably better armor and short range torpedoes for whatever it's worth. Just get done grinding the Kirov and you'll have CL goodness for the next 3 tiers. Actually I've liked Kirov more than Budyonny, though early impressions weren't exactly good - they can't brawl whatsoever. But in current times full of battleships, long range firestarting is certainly useful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RALLY] HMS_Antelope Players 309 posts 8,128 battles Report post #6 Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) howdy folks, i just need your general opinion. i really liked the Cleveland, even bought the permanent camouflage for it, but then i needed credits and sold it. i know, maybe a silly solution to my credit problem, but i am a hothead. now... i'd really like to buy it again, but there have been numerous rumours regarding the Cleveland, like "it will become a Tier VIII CL", and now i'm at the crossroads. a part of those rumours was that it will be buffed, but we don't know how exactly. if it will become a Tier VIII ship indeed, the only way i'd ever play it as a Tier VIII would be as a sort of DD hunter, and for that i would need a radar. now, as we aren't sure if it will get one, i can't really convince myself to buy it again. but then again, i'd really like to, since i liked the "Cle(a)veland way". so the big question is - should i buy it again? one thing worth mentioning - i have the Molotov and i love it to bits. much better than Cleveland ever was (IMO). but i am sure i'd enjoy the Cleveland again. as a Tier VI nightmare it is, and as a Tier VIII DD hunter (if it ever gets the radar) as well. but if it gets moved up but doesn't get the radar it will be another waste of credits. again, IMO. I would wait until a sale happens which may be the end of the month and re purchase, its a great crew trainer and the AA at T6 is awesome. Does good BBQ damage to the many Battleships hanging around in game if you can find a friendly island or smoke stack. Edited November 3, 2016 by 7th_Arm_Div Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VAR] Ulvesnutepostei Players 636 posts 8,871 battles Report post #7 Posted November 3, 2016 First rule of World of Warships: Never sell a ship! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feechbone Alpha Tester 83 posts 222 battles Report post #8 Posted November 3, 2016 unless you really enjoy playing it you should not bother with it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER Players 1,473 posts Report post #9 Posted November 3, 2016 If i believe rightly (i have never sailed Cleveland) it's much like Atlanta, HE spammer, if so then maybe it's worth rebuying, Atlanta is a great ship, i know Cleveland is not exactly the same, but i remember someone saying it is a spammer like Atlanta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[1378] Nargoth73 Players 460 posts 3,784 battles Report post #10 Posted November 3, 2016 I personally prefer the Molotov over the Cleveland. Those 180s make short work of Cleve's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Gojuadorai Players 2,832 posts 21,712 battles Report post #11 Posted November 3, 2016 i would keep the cleve because some day the split wil happen and it will become a T8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER Players 1,473 posts Report post #12 Posted November 3, 2016 I personally prefer the Molotov over the Cleveland. Those 180s make short work of Cleve's The Molotov and me are like a lead brick together, we sink very fast 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Trainspite Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster 1,920 posts 4,621 battles Report post #13 Posted November 3, 2016 Just saying, when Cleveland does get moved to tier 8, I think her place as a tier 6 CL would be taken by a Brooklyn preliminary design, which would have the same 12x 6" guns, but worse survivability, secondaries and AA. Should still be functionally similar to the Cleveland however. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLAN] KapteinSabeltann Players 232 posts 10,035 battles Report post #14 Posted November 3, 2016 Just saying, when Cleveland does get moved to tier 8, I think her place as a tier 6 CL would be taken by a Brooklyn preliminary design, which would have the same 12x 6" guns, but worse survivability, secondaries and AA. Should still be functionally similar to the Cleveland however. I don't think she will be moved to T8 considering how squishy she's been ever since the "penetration fix". I rarely use her - sure she can deal it out - but she can't take it - and unlike before she can't angle at bbs AT all - no problem getting multicitadeled in the front by a New York T5 BB. She is SO situational now - if the map allows for "island-hopping" then sure - HE dpm and AP penetration is incredible but on more open maps you have lost half your health even before you are in range. Add to that she NEVER sees CV's her AA is just a minor boost. Seriously I suspect she is seeded AWAY from CV's - no other ship I have sees CV's as rare as the cleve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Trainspite Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster 1,920 posts 4,621 battles Report post #15 Posted November 3, 2016 I don't think she will be moved to T8 considering how squishy she's been ever since the "penetration fix". I rarely use her - sure she can deal it out - but she can't take it - and unlike before she can't angle at bbs AT all - no problem getting multicitadeled in the front by a New York T5 BB. She is SO situational now - if the map allows for "island-hopping" then sure - HE dpm and AP penetration is incredible but on more open maps you have lost half your health even before you are in range. Add to that she NEVER sees CV's her AA is just a minor boost. Seriously I suspect she is seeded AWAY from CV's - no other ship I have sees CV's as rare as the cleve. She will be. Unless WG are not planning on a USN CL line, which, with USS Worcester in the game files, I think they are. She should on similar, but slightly worse terms to Baltimore with her survivability. I'm unsure if WG have fiddled with her armour model, I suspect they have, but I have never found Cleveland to be squishy. She always bullies her way in and out of trouble for me. So I don't know where you are really coming from. I play Cleveland in quite an aggressive style, getting up in your face and punching your ticket with fairly accurate AP and HE fire from about 12km. Still, Cleveland at tier 8, with more HP, 10RPM, more AA and survivability seems a fit to me. Comparable to Edinburgh and what not. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #16 Posted November 3, 2016 Cleveland has been, has never left, and will never leave my port. It's an amazing ship if I want to relax from the grind and just shoot a bit. I too have the camo for it and don't regret for a sec I bought it. But, it has to fit your playstyle. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #17 Posted November 3, 2016 If you want to experience how Cleve's guns used to behave back in CBT, go get a Shcors or Chapayev, load glorious stalinium napalm shells, camp back at mid-long range and watch the world go down in flames. Seriously, Cleve is overnerfed now that they fixed the citadel on it (it used to not have any citadel aside from the barbettes, making it hilariously tanky) and removed the extra range from AFT. I still have her sitting in my port, but I rarely (if ever) take her out for a spin. SN cruisers do the same job but are way more comfortable to play thanks to their shell speed, arcs and range. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MEN] Captain_Singleton Players 3,184 posts 20,113 battles Report post #18 Posted November 3, 2016 no other ship I have sees CV's as rare as the cleve. my Texas would like to argue with that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wongman66 Beta Tester 191 posts Report post #19 Posted November 3, 2016 my Texas would like to argue with that... I raise you my Atlanta...specialist AA ship (and advertised on that feature) and do I heck ever get a CV in the enemy team. My Belfast last night took out 26 planes...it is supposed to have "weak" AA. Working as intended Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONUS] Hedgehog1963 [BONUS] Beta Tester 3,211 posts 14,951 battles Report post #20 Posted November 3, 2016 Cleveland is obsolete now Leander is in the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #21 Posted November 3, 2016 Cleveland is obsolete now Leander is in the game. yeah. leander with DE is best firestarter ingame now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SINT] Jvd2000 Players 1,639 posts 31,173 battles Report post #22 Posted November 3, 2016 I always kept the Cleve, even after the AFT nerf. Sure, its gun arcs are bad in comparison towards its German and Russian counterparts (kept them too). Also no torps for the Cleve. But its sturdy as no other cruiser in its tier (or 1 tier higher) and its a cruiser that forgives slight mistakes. I bought the premium camouflage so I will never leave it as its my preferred tier 6 ranked ship. Tried the Bud but its too fragile for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONUS] Hedgehog1963 [BONUS] Beta Tester 3,211 posts 14,951 battles Report post #23 Posted November 4, 2016 yeah. leander with DE is best firestarter ingame now After Leander has been firing for a couple of minutes there's nothing left to burn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONI] MoveZig Players 1,622 posts 20,823 battles Report post #24 Posted November 4, 2016 Cleve and I have never really gotten along, but Budy has treated me well. Those shell ballistics are unsuitable for long-range shooting. Budy has both great range and fast shells. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PKTZS] JapLance Weekend Tester 2,567 posts 18,265 battles Report post #25 Posted November 4, 2016 i would keep the cleve because some day the split wil happen and it will become a T8 And that day you will lose your Cleveland and get its substitute at tier 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
