ARP Takao Mission

[Tubit101]

 

whats my point on the morality? or the mission requirements?

 

Never mind. I'm not going to question your motivation behind making observations.

[it3llig3nc3]

The poll question is wrong and the options listed for answers are wrong as well.

 

There is absolutely no problem with WG introducing a mission, ANY mission with a criteria that it can be completed with T9+ ships.

 

The problem is that just because of a player's living address is on a different continent some of them can do the missions for the same reward with T4+ ships, others only with T9+ ships. 

Furthermore a smaller issue is as why WG suddenly makes available "for free" a version of a PREMIUM ship...? this devaluates real money purchased game asset's value and also implicates that WG is untrustworthy...

 

 

 

[Tubit101]

 

The problem is that just because of a player's living address is on a different continent some of them can do the missions for the same reward with T4+ ships, others only with T9+ ships. 

Furthermore a smaller issue is as why WG suddenly makes available "for free" a version of a PREMIUM ship...? this devaluates real money purchased game asset's value and also implicates that WG is untrustworthy...

 

 

If the Takao had premium ship features such as the Atago, you would be correct. The Atago gets a camo that grants economic and combat bonuses. The Takao does not.

[mikelight1805]

 

The poll question is wrong and the options listed for answers are wrong as well.

 

There is absolutely no problem with WG introducing a mission, ANY mission with a criteria that it can be completed with T9+ ships.

 

The problem is that just because of a player's living address is on a different continent some of them can do the missions for the same reward with T4+ ships, others only with T9+ ships. 

Furthermore a smaller issue is as why WG suddenly makes available "for free" a version of a PREMIUM ship...? this devaluates real money purchased game asset's value and also implicates that WG is untrustworthy...

 

 

 

I think the definition of premium may be the factor here. If Takao is a neon Atago, with a credit and XP multiplier then yes, WG are giving away for free a premium ship. If they are giving away neon blue ship that looks like an Atago with standard T8 repair costs and xp gains then they are not giving away a premium for free. The Atago isn't devalued at all.

 

I suppose it depends why you bought an Atago in the first place. If you bought it purely because of how it looks, then yes, its devalued now someone else gets it for free. If you bought it to print credits and train IJN captains, its no less valuable now than it ever was

[ammattimies]

It's nice to offer missions/rewards for experienced players too. I only wish it was harder so not every Tom, [edited]and Jane with a T9 ship could get a free Atago, but I'll admit it's a nice chance for the less fortunate to a great prize ship like this.

 

It looks to be surprisingly hard to see the big picture here for Tubit and mikelight for example. Of course it makes your 40€ investment on Atago seem idiotic that now it's being given out for free, but hey, our mistake for trusting WG and paying for something + we could also be happy that there are interesting missions available for everyone.

[mikelight1805]

It's nice to offer missions/rewards for experienced players too. I only wish it was harder so not every Tom, [edited]and Jane with a T9 ship could get a free Atago, but I'll admit it's a nice chance for the less fortunate to a great prize ship like this.

 

It looks to be surprisingly hard to see the big picture here for Tubit and mikelight for example. Of course it makes your 40€ investment on Atago seem idiotic that now it's being given out for free, but hey, our mistake for trusting WG and paying for something + we could also be happy that there are interesting missions available for everyone.

 

To clarify my position here, what i am struggling with is the outrage because they are giving away premium ship when they actually aren't. what they are offering as a reward is a ship that looks like an Atago without any additional benefits that the premium gets. I don't see it as any different to Tirpitz/Bismark, Texas/New York, Marblehead/Omaha or any other premium they offer. I don't trust WG, and i never had. You can trace this back to WoT. When tanks are removed or re-tiered they used to be given free, but that soon changed. look at the FV4202 for example. there was outrage at having to earn it back. the outrage didn't change a thing, and it was still a marathon mission to earn it back, or just buy it outright.

[Tubit101]

It looks to be surprisingly hard to see the big picture here for Tubit and mikelight for example. Of course it makes your 40€ investment on Atago seem idiotic that now it's being given out for free, but hey, our mistake for trusting WG and paying for something + we could also be happy that there are interesting missions available for everyone.

 

I disagree. The Atago still distinguishes itself by having qualities that the Takao does not. But feel free to point out what part of the big picture we're missing.

[ilhilh]

Do I care about tier 9 requirements?  No.

Do I care about the difference between this and other servers?  More so.

Do I take issue with the similarities to the premium?  A little bit.  As an Atago owner (although I rarely use it) it is a little annoying - sure you don't get the camo, credit earning or crew training... but I feel it could have ditched the heal and still been a reward people would go for whilst maintaining more differences that buying the ship earns you.

[SomeoneYouKnow2]

 

Would you still vote "yes" if wargamings goal is to get more "noobs" into your precious high tier games?

 

What does that even mean?

 

I would hate it if you only needed a tier 6 ship to get a tier 8 ship like it is on NA. I do think it's strange that you cant get the Takao with a tier 8 ship though.

 

BTW, I am not really a high tier player myself. I only have the Yamato at tier 10 and not many games in it. I have a bunch of tier 9 ships but I don't play them that often. This event is actually motivation for me to play them more and guess what? I'm having fun playing the Fletcher and FdG!

[Tubit101]

 

 I feel it could have ditched the heal and still been a reward people would go for whilst maintaining more differences that buying the ship earns you.

 

This is the current problem with many premium ships. WG are leading their customers to believe that they can buy ships with superior abilities and in turn that those who doesn't pay shouldn't have access to them. In my opinion this is fundamentally wrong for any game and clearly leading to a P2W mentality.

[ilhilh]

 

This is the current problem with many premium ships. WG are leading their customers to believe that they can buy ships with superior abilities and in turn that those who doesn't pay shouldn't have access to them. In my opinion this is fundamentally wrong for any game and clearly leading to a P2W mentality.

 

This is a gift ship as opposed to a researchable silver ship.  I am at ease with there being differences.

[eliastion]

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Do I take issue with the similarities to the premium?  A little bit.  As an Atago owner (although I rarely use it) it is a little annoying - sure you don't get the camo, credit earning or crew training... but I feel it could have ditched the heal and still been a reward people would go for whilst maintaining more differences that buying the ship earns you.

 

Frankly, it would be interesting if they actually gave ARP Takao different stats - to reflect her being the clone not of Atago but rather of the as of yet non-existent Takao, the "silver" ship Atago is a premium version of.

That, however, would require extra work and if it happened (as unlikely as it might seem) that Takao wouldn't be strictly worse than Atago... well, then we'd see so many pissed Atago owners complaining about anime ship being better than their premium (it wouldn't need to be, mind you, even excluding premium benefits: just being different and not obviously worse would be enough).

[Admiral_noodle]

Personally...

 

So I see it as encouragement to go out in my tier 9 and also get up there with other ships. So I like it. I like that it's on wins and I like the 2 months. So yeah. Thanks WG. I'll try to give my Iowa a go and get to Baltimore. I've been meaning to but haven't seen the point. Now there's a point...

 

What I don't like is the massive amount of complaining about the rules. None of us are entitled to a free ship. This is an opportunity for goodness sake. And by the looks of things there will be more anyway to get the arp ships... who knows.

 

 

[manarchon]

Personally...

 

So I see it as encouragement to go out in my tier 9 and also get up there with other ships. So I like it. I like that it's on wins and I like the 2 months. So yeah. Thanks WG. I'll try to give my Iowa a go and get to Baltimore. I've been meaning to but haven't seen the point. Now there's a point...

 

What I don't like is the massive amount of complaining about the rules. None of us are entitled to a free ship. This is an opportunity for goodness sake. And by the looks of things there will be more anyway to get the arp ships... who knows.

 

 

Exactly. It's an encouragement to spend more money in the game. This is the strategy behind it. To bait people who are on t8 ships now. Or just got their t9. 

They just looked at their sale figures before this and went: why not, they owe us that much! Sure you won't have to do it, I'm at t8 with couple of ships but so far from t9 that I won't bother.

Wouldn't bother anyway since it's so obvious where they are going with this. Otherwise it's nice to get the ARP ships/captain's I don't already have. And Putin's buddy Mr. Seagal of course .    

 

 

[Djansolo]

Notser made a pretty cool video about this.

 

 

he says something like "90% have the Atago already" ?

I certainly dont. 

I'm too much of a cheapskate to pay for tier 8 premiums. I run a prem account, payd for Y_ubari back in CBT, and Warspite on first release, and thats it so far.

That is ofc a personal choice, how much people are willing to pay, but I'm still surprised he puts the number that high?

[Djansolo]

I voted yes btw.

Mainly cause I'm fine with the principle that not everything is for everybody.

I never got the Kamikaze R and thats ok, cause I didnt put in the work to get it.

I should be able to get the Takao, but only cause I already decided to grind my first tier 9 (after taking 5 lines to tier 8)

[Zerstoeroer]

I voted no, Tier 9/10 is atrocious to play right now thanks to all the garbage players playing it, trying to farm Takao.

WG EU is a mess.

[Hedgehog1963]

I'm relaxed and I only have the 1 Tier IX+ ship, Kagero.  I'll need to get less than a win a day in it.   I'm going to get the Fletcher as well as it is unlocked.

 

[Ferry_25]

I voted yes. But I'd like to add the nuance in my comment that it would have been much more fair if T8 was included. Maybe raise the win number demand a bit in exchange. Since Atago is a T8 ship. But if you have acces to a T9-10 the mission doesn't seem that much impossible. It's reqcuiring 1 victory per day. OK, I am suffering through another 1 of my losing streaks right now but that's part of the game. I just rage quit after another loss tonight and called it a day. As my stats imply ( I'm in the "elite 50-50 league!!!") I only need to play 2 T9-10 games per day on average to fullfill this mission. I acknowlige I'm in good luck since I am grinding a lot of 9's at this moment: Dumbskoy, Kangeroo, Citbuki and Baltiless. Already have acces to Iowa and Izumo. Want to grind those out before I feel "psychological ready" to unrust my Yamato and Montana.. (wating for the prem cams on T10 as well).

 

Edit: what "worries" me more is the fact I already have all the other ARP ships (ecxept for the green 1. I think that 1 is new to this season, isn't it?). I don't want te be stuck with even more redundant captains for eternity... Already have 2 extra schoolgirls with glasses sitting in my Y-port. I sincerely hope the option to dismiss them will be avaliable. Can't frankly figure out why that's not the case from the beginning...

[kalamies]

It would be nice to see hard missions with greater rewards. This mission is great too but 50 wins in division comes relatively fast and easily.

[dCK_Ad_Hominem]

I really do not see the problem. The missions in wot were much much harder. Even good players struggled to get the t28pt, let alone the t55a.

 

Why should the requirement be lower? If it were t8 everybody would be yelling cash grab since all players would have to do is buy a t8 premium. The way it is serves the purpose to deny players who are very new to the game a t8 ship. Funnily most players recommended new players not to buy t8 premiums since they do not understand mechanics yet.

 

As for players currently sitting at t8: Even assuming work, family, other hobbies there should be room for 1 to 2 hours of playing each day. Without a premium account i am making enough XP over this time frame to unlock two containers (and i am no purple fluffy unicorn dancing on potatoes). Since the event lasts for two months (or 57 days aso of now) this should be quite enough time to unlock a t9. In fact it should be possible within a month for decent players. This is of course assuming players are smart enough to not waste equal Charlie London on low tort tier ships. As for buying the t9: People have to ponder how much they will be playing this game in total. In my opinion buying at least one premium ship is very much worth it. It is a one time investment into a game devouring hundreds of not thousands of hours of gameplay.

 

Sure, the disparity between servers is disconcerting, but complaining won't change that, as won't the mute "I will stop spending" threats.

 

It has always been WG policy to tie rewards to conditions. Eo ipso not all players would get them - which is fine because we wouldn't need an event otherwise.

 

50 wins at t9+ are a laughable condition. It is pretty much possible during a single weekend if hardcore gaming.

 

I don't have a problem.

[svadilfari]

if by hardcore gaming you mean 48h straight then yes, perfectly doable in one weekend

i don´t care about the ARPs, never did. don´t much care about the takao either because at some point i´m gonna buy the atago anyway.

 

i don´t get the complaining about this mission thou. winning 50 games in 2 months really shouldn´t be an issue for any player, especially if you want it so badly.

 

i´d much rather have hard special mission with a tier 7 or 8 premium waiting at the end.

[JapLance]

 

 

i don´t get the complaining about this mission thou. winning 50 games in 2 months really shouldn´t be an issue for any player, especially if you want it so badly.

 

 

 

Maybe because the complaining IS NOT about the difficulty of the mission. It just takes some reading to realise.

[svadilfari]

 

Maybe because the complaining IS NOT about the difficulty of the mission. It just takes some reading to realise.

 

yes it´s about the tier9/10, i get it. but anyone can grind a 9er in a few dozen games. 

i agree that having different requirements for the regions is completely retarded, obviously. but that´s WG for you

 

[Vincinzerei]

They Changed it to "at least T8 and above"

Guess there are not that much Folks who play T9/10 at all ;)