freakadelle2k Beta Tester 78 posts 9,228 battles Report post #76 Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 13 Henry IV : 20 Grozovoi : 20 -3 = 17 (It's about time this thing looses points. With good AA it would have been a nerdy funboat. Without it's a waste) Des Moines: 22 +1 = 23 (No torps BAM rest is BAM awesome and BAM who would BAM need torps BAM with this BAM RoF?) i love it Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 Zao: 30 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 21 Shimakaze (type F3): 5 Hindenburg: 24 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 19 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 9 Edited May 10, 2017 by freakadelle2k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SYTHE] Skillet Alpha Tester 36 posts 6,550 battles Report post #77 Posted May 10, 2017 This should probably start again following the huge changes from when this thread was created. Bringing in two new ships at 20 seems a little harsh on those ships already eliminated. And let's not forget the changes to Stealth firing that may (or may not) have an impact on existing ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EW_YK] Barkyro Players 439 posts 13,829 battles Report post #78 Posted May 10, 2017 Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 13 Henry IV : 20 Grozovoi : 17 Des Moines: 23 Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 Zao: 30 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 21 Shimakaze (type F3): 5 - 3 =2 ( Horrible choice, the speed and reload boost are nothing to how you need to play this ship to have any chance in it Hindenburg: 24 +1 = 25 ( I just love this ship) G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 19 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses_nemo Players 502 posts 14,453 battles Report post #79 Posted May 10, 2017 This should probably start again following the huge changes from when this thread was created. Bringing in two new ships at 20 seems a little harsh on those ships already eliminated. And let's not forget the changes to Stealth firing that may (or may not) have an impact on existing ships. Only Montana have been eliminated and he's not going to make it to the top 10 anyway even if brought back, so no real need to bring him back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses_nemo Players 502 posts 14,453 battles Report post #80 Posted May 11, 2017 Daily vote: Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 13 Henry IV : 20 Grozovoi : 17 Des Moines: 23+1 Radar, AA, guns, always fear that one Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 Zao: 30 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 21 Shimakaze (type F3): 2 - 3 = -1 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 19 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses_nemo Players 502 posts 14,453 battles Report post #81 Posted May 12, 2017 Daily vote : Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 13-3= 10 : Not as painful for opponent than those double US OP fighters that spot and prevent the opponent CV to be effective Henry IV : 20 Grozovoi : 17 Des Moines: 24+1=25 What worse than 1 Des Moines for a DD ? 2 Des Moines .... Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 Zao: 30 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 21 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 19 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blitzkrieguk Beta Tester 438 posts 3,154 battles Report post #82 Posted May 12, 2017 You guys do realise you've done this list without the Z-52? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses_nemo Players 502 posts 14,453 battles Report post #83 Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) I will add it. By the way, to increase the number of voters on this subject, I will chnage that rule: Rules: 1: No fiddling with the point totals 2: No resurrecting eliminated ships 3: You must have played tier 8, 9 or 10 in some Tier 10 matches either on live server or test server. 4: One vote per person per day. Multiple votes will be ignored. Z-52 : 20 Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 13-3= 10 : Not as painful for opponent than those double US OP fighters that spot and prevent the opponent CV to be effective Henry IV : 20 Grozovoi : 17 Des Moines: 24+1=25 What worse than 1 Des Moines for a DD ? 2 Des Moines .... Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 Zao: 30 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 21 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 19 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 9 Edited May 12, 2017 by ulysses_nemo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tenacious_torps ∞ Players 1,373 posts Report post #84 Posted May 12, 2017 Z-52 : 20 Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 10 Henry IV : 20 Grozovoi : 17 Des Moines: 25 Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 Zao: 30 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 21 - 3 = 18 Buff or no buff, still the weakest tier X DD sadly Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 19 +1 = 20 Gotta love those guns, it's a fine BB. Err.. cruiser. THE cruiser to maintain sanity in this passive meta. Just go hahaha on the campers. Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 9 Somewhat mandatory, yes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blitzkrieguk Beta Tester 438 posts 3,154 battles Report post #85 Posted May 12, 2017 Z-52: 20 Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 10 - 3 = 7 Not really a match for the Hakuryu, also Carriers (shudders) Henry IV : 20 Grozovoi : 17 Des Moines: 25 Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 Zao: 30 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 18 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 20 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 9 + 1 = 10 Probably the most fun ship i've played, and absolutely devastating when played correctly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBF-] Lieut_Gruber Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 828 posts 17,211 battles Report post #86 Posted May 12, 2017 Z-52: 20 Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 7 Henry IV : 20 Grozovoi : 17 Des Moines: 25 Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 Zao: 27(-3): since the stealthnerf not as good anymore, good ship, but there are better CA Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 18 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 21(+1): good armor, exelent guns, long radar, best performing CA Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses_nemo Players 502 posts 14,453 battles Report post #87 Posted May 14, 2017 Daily vote: Z-52: 20 - 3 = Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 7-3 = 4 Henry IV : 20 Grozovoi : 17 Des Moines: 25 +1 Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 Zao: 27 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 18 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 21 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses_nemo Players 502 posts 14,453 battles Report post #88 Posted May 15, 2017 Daily vote: Z-52: 20 Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 4-3 = 1 Henry IV : 20 Grozovoi : 17 Des Moines: 26 +1 = 27 Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 Zao: 27 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 18 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 21 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tenacious_torps ∞ Players 1,373 posts Report post #89 Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) Z-52: 20 Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 4 = 1 Henry IV : 20 Grozovoi : 17 Des Moines: 26 = 27 Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 Zao: 27 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 18 -3 =15 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 21 + 1 = 22 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 10 See above for reasoning and soundtrack. Edited May 15, 2017 by tenacious_torps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] walter3kurtz Players 1,037 posts 10,815 battles Report post #90 Posted May 15, 2017 Z-52: 20 Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 1 Henry IV : 20 - 3 = 17 Because it doesn't seem to bring anything the rest can't do (or do better) Grozovoi : 17 Des Moines: 27 Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 + 1 = 24 Because everything is amazingly good (well except AA) Zao: 27 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 15 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 22 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-RNR-] Tanaka_15 Beta Tester 2,514 posts 20,222 battles Report post #91 Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) Z-52: 20 Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 1 Henry IV 17 - 1 = 16 Just average Grozovoi : 17 - 1 =16 (dont see any strong side of the ship). Des Moines: 27 - 1 = 26 (i dont undrustand this ship, for me you cant do nothing to bb, and you are one of the first crusers to die when spoted. ) Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 23 + 1 = 24 Because everything is amazingly good (well except AA) Zao: 27 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 15 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 22 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 11 (monster ship, only good CA in t10 imho). Edited May 15, 2017 by Tanaka_15 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses_nemo Players 502 posts 14,453 battles Report post #92 Posted May 15, 2017 Z-52: 20 Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 1 Henry IV : 17 Grozovoi : 17 Des Moines: 27 Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 24 Zao: 27 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 15 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 22 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 11 (monster ship, only good CA in t10 imho). You have to give a -3 too 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-RNR-] Tanaka_15 Beta Tester 2,514 posts 20,222 battles Report post #93 Posted May 15, 2017 edited Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blitzkrieguk Beta Tester 438 posts 3,154 battles Report post #94 Posted May 15, 2017 edited you need to -3 1x ship not -1 x3 ships Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses_nemo Players 502 posts 14,453 battles Report post #95 Posted May 15, 2017 That will do for this time : Z-52: 20 Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 1 Henry IV 17 - 1 = 16 Just average Grozovoi : 17 - 1 =16 (dont see any strong side of the ship). Des Moines: 27 - 1 = 26 (i dont undrustand this ship, for me you cant do nothing to bb, and you are one of the first crusers to die when spoted. ) Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 24 Zao: 27 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 15 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 22 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 11 (monster ship, only good CA in t10 imho). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses_nemo Players 502 posts 14,453 battles Report post #96 Posted May 16, 2017 Daily vote: Z-52: 20-3=17 : Maybe good, don't know, nearly no-one playing her Midway (2/1/2): 18 Midway (1/1/3): 1 Henry IV 16 Grozovoi : 16 Des Moines: 26 +1 =27 Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 24 Zao: 27 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 15 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 22 Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TVO] xenopathia Players 386 posts 13,741 battles Report post #97 Posted May 16, 2017 Z: 17 Midway (2/1/2): 18Midway (1/1/3): 1Henry IV 16 Grozovoi : 16 Des Moines: 27Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23Yamato: 24 Zao: 27Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 15Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20Moskva: 22+1= 23 (those guns)Khabarovsk: 23Minotaur: 11 I don't think any T10 deserves a minus vote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses_nemo Players 502 posts 14,453 battles Report post #98 Posted May 16, 2017 I don't think any T10 deserves a minus vote The point is to rank them. For that you have to eliminate the one that is the less good or formidable among them. Doesn't mean it's a bad ship. The worse ones have already been eliminated already anyway. Which one you would like to play the less ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TVO] xenopathia Players 386 posts 13,741 battles Report post #99 Posted May 16, 2017 The point is to rank them. For that you have to eliminate the one that is the less good or formidable among them. Doesn't mean it's a bad ship. The worse ones have already been eliminated already anyway. Which one you would like to play the less ? I see the point. I really like a lot the ones I have. Therefore wouldn't down vote. And afaik I cant down vote the ones I haven't played. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ulysses_nemo Players 502 posts 14,453 battles Report post #100 Posted May 17, 2017 Daily vote: Z: 17 Midway (2/1/2): 18Midway (1/1/3): 1-3 = -2 Out Henry IV 16 Grozovoi : 16 Des Moines: 27+1=28 Gearing: 24 Hakuryu (2/3/2): 21 Hakuryu (4/2/2): 20 Hakuryu (2/3/3): 23 Yamato: 24 Zao: 27 Shimakaze (type 93 mod. 2): 15 Hindenburg: 25 G. Kurfürst (406mm): 21 G. Kurfürst (420mm): 20 Moskva: 22+1= 23 (those guns) Khabarovsk: 23 Minotaur: 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
