Battleship players: what is your problem? Why won't you tank?

[SmartassNoob]

If it really is that funny, either post the anecdote, or at least post a link.

[ShinGetsu]

Starting here :

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/24068-north-carolina/page__st__330#topmost

 

Tho I doubt you'll understand much. =/

 

Well, anyway, this guy is a clown. He doesn't understand aaaaaanything about the game, but still think he does, and think he can give meaningful advice when his stats looks like this :

https://eu.warships.today/player/518351456/ThinderChief

[KuroNyra]

Basicly, Thinder was unable to understand stuff about the spotting module.

 

Even going so far and using World of TANK wiki about the spotting system.

 

Seriously, it was glorious.

Basicly, it would be like saying that all Destroyer in this game are made for tanking damage.... Because that's what the T95 is able to do in World of Tank.

[SmartassNoob]

Just read a few pages of that nonsense via the translator in my browser.

 

In his defense, that module is explained in pretty confusing terms. I got it for my Izumo at some point to let me see torps from a bit further away. In any case yeah, it doesn't make sense to argue against a number of much more experienced people in a situation where your own belief is based on something that you know is worded confusingly. And the fact that he linked to world of tanks to prove his point is just like WTF?   Why would that game even be relevant? Sure, it's made by the same developer, but those game mechanics are (or logically should be, I've never player WoT) fundamentally different in just about every way. Obviously if you're sitting in a bush to hide, the bush is likely going to hinder your vision. How is that relevant to ships again?

[ThinderChief]

KuroNyra, on 04 February 2017 - 10:59 PM, said:

Basicly, Thinder was unable to understand stuff about the spotting module.

 

Even going so far and using World of TANK wiki about the spotting system.

 

Seriously, it was glorious.

Basicly, it would be like saying that all Destroyer in this game are made for tanking damage.... Because that's what the T95 is able to do in World of Tank.

 

 

​Blah-----Basically, taking on the poster instead of providing a single argument making sense is the usual mediocre trolling we see in this forum, when it's not people's stats it's their language, grammar or something else, everything BUT any argument to oppose to the fact that one team is successful at doing one thing and the other isn't and that the single reason for this is your unability and unwillingless to provide support for your own DDs.

 

Funny you still can't figure that if one team can the other can just as well, but eh, one have to find excuses eslewhere than sense making...  

 

Just read a few pages of that nonsense via the translator in my browser.

 

In his defense, that module is explained in pretty confusing terms. I got it for my Izumo at some point to let me see torps from a bit further away. In any case yeah, it doesn't make sense to argue against a number of much more experienced people in a situation where your own belief is based on something that you know is worded confusingly. And the fact that he linked to world of tanks to prove his point is just like WTF?   Why would that game even be relevant? Sure, it's made by the same developer, but those game mechanics are (or logically should be, I've never player WoT) fundamentally different in just about every way. Obviously if you're sitting in a bush to hide, the bush is likely going to hinder your vision. How is that relevant to ships again?

 

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Nothing to do with me, but the fact that the "super-knowledgeable" geezers got their wires horribly crossed with their "super unbeatable invisibility" party in this particular topic, got to find a good excuse for their camping style, so I asked support and as I suspected they were talking pure manure, not to mention the fact that they would lecture you on how good is the Buddyonny at starting fire (with only 12% risks of fire for her H.E) or even the Baltimore for that matter.

 

Talk about ignorance. In the case of the module in question you guys can't distinguish between how it works in case of concealment and how it works in the line of sight, which is what support specifically explained, torps are concealed (by water) but this module increases the spotting distance on non-concealed targets, it doesn't work the same way in both case because the game mechanics for both cases are different, there is NO confusion in that.

 

One gives you 50% longer spotting range of concealed targets, the other, spotting distance in the line-of-sight 20%, and none of those super-geezers was able at any point to explain WHY W.G would give two different percentages for the same function, it seems to me that I am not the one who is confused here.

 

So I reiterate, 50% longer spotting range for concealed targets, 20% for targets in line-of-sight.

 

Here goes the little invisifiring-campers party down crashing, what one can see are guys who defend their "superior" playstyle, loudly advertised in their forum/topic, in reality camping, using ships with high rate of fire, regardless of the fact that their strength is precisely penetration power of their AP amo, to spam HE on everything else, otherwise said, HE spammers, the type that were jumping up and down on the new Fire Prevention skill but don't hesitate to HE spam Cruisers anyway or/and lodge personal attacks instead of proper arguments in forum topics, typical internet trolls patterns according to the medical and legal definitions.

 

Now we can see who are the campers, HE spammers and guys who generally doesn't have the intellectual honesty to tell things as they are, and btw the definition of the word spotting is common for all W.G games, only the distances are different, nothing to do with W.T.F, plus  I posted the WoW definition of the word spotting as well, to no avail, some guys are thick as anvils, but i'll try again, here you go.   

 

 

View Range & Camouflage

 

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A ship is spotted when another enemy ship or aircraft gets close enough to detect it. This mainly involves two sets of values.

The first set of values is Detection range, which is divided into two categories

• Surface Detectability Range: This is the range at which a ship will be detected by an enemy ship. A Line of Sight (LoS) is required between the spotting ship and the ship being spotted. A ship will not be spotted if there are no enemy ships within this range.

 

So, you can well be using this module for detecting torps (which are concealed) at a distance 20% higher, 50% for concealed targets but if you haven't noticed it also increase your spotting distance for non-concealed targets by 20% as well and it is NOT proximity spotting which is yet another type of spotting mechanics, subject of a different and separated topic. 

 

 Proximity spotting. At 2 km ships will automatically detect each other regardless of LoS, making it possible for ships to be detected even if they are hiding inside a smoke screen or behind terrain. The consumable Hydroacoustic Search can extend this auto-spot range for a limited duration.  http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:View_Range_%26_Camouflage

 

 

And please stop lecturing people about what you know on the subject or/and how to read English, I live in Britain since 1991 and could well teach you more than a few things, plus when I want to know something I know where to ask, generally support knows ton better than you guys does and it wont excuse camping. Get over it.

[ThinderChief]

About DD and Cruisers roles:

 Destroyers are often called upon to scout out enemy positions... Cruisers are often called upon to hunt down enemy destroyers...  dixit W.G.

 

So those excuses about DD "rushing" takes yet another plunge, it's the campers and "invisifiring HE spammers" lame argument, DD and Cruisers should be at the forefront of the fight not camping in smoke bubbles, when playing DD I use smoke in last resort because if I camp in the bubble I can't SEE and do my spotting job, so it is NOT a static playstyle they require, but instead to use their stealth and speed, do the spotting and torp.

 

As for Cruisers, you hardly can hunt DDs by sniping them from miles away when your DDs are getting slaughtered by the red team which have no such reserve and support them from the word go.

 

Here is a very good example of what I was saying, I go to the cap asking for fire support, apparently could count of it, NOT to cap at all cost but to torp the entrance and prevent the reds to take the position, bad luck there are TWO DDs AND a cruiser there, while my support is behind the islands, the camper's excuse for that: "DDs are not meant to tank", "suicidal", and the rest of it.

 

I am not blaming my team, I understand why they play this way but FACT remains, they were 3 reds on cap and only ONE of us, and they were able to offer immediate, close and mutual fire support while we were not, at least not in time to take the position or loose a DD for lack of support.

 

So all those B.S about DD "rushing" are just that, BS and lame excuses to hide the fact that some players are going to limit their capability to provide fire support simply because their play style demands for them to take cover, pop a smoke or snipe from max range, answering the question asked by the topic title, "why don't you???

 

 

 

 

On the other hand, when it works and the Scouts have time to do their work before eventually getting killed it does the team some good... But ask yourself WHY it lead to yet another defeat when it finished with 5 of us vs 2 of them about ten mn later... Was I "suicidal"? did I "rush"? Sorry I taught I just killed 3 ships among which a BB and took the cap, giving the point lead to my team, I had good support btw, I only get caught by another DD, sh!t happens.

 

[ShinGetsu]

You know, you can say all the BS you want about me being a camper, HE spammer, and all that, yet it doesn't change a single fact : I win my matches, and you don't.

And all the player that give you the same advice as me also win their game. While you still don't.

 

It means one thing : we are right, you aren't. Get over it.

 

PS : This is you. Even neutral external site marks you as red everywhere. But I guess it's not your fault. It will never be your fault. 

It's quite impressive being this stubborn. 

 

[Hootsthenoo]

Why the chat ban?

 

[Sana_Khan]

Spoiler

 

 

 

It's a sketsh show. 

[KuroNyra]

Why the chat ban?

 

 

Because all he do is screaming against the team.

You know: from time to time you can find a guy on the game that rush on the worst position ever, and then blame the team about his death.

He's that guy.

 

 

​Blah-----Basically, taking on the poster instead of providing a single argument making sense is the usual mediocre trolling we see in this forum, when it's not people's stats it's their language, grammar or something else, everything BUT any argument to oppose to the fact that one team is successful at doing one thing and the other isn't and that the single reason for this is your unability and unwillingless to provide support for your own DDs.

I'm not the one who can't understand how modules works and how teamplay works in this game.

 

But hey, you have a win-ratio of 45.04% gg bro! You lose 65% of your games, and considering the rest of the stats. You're probably in big part responsible for it!

 

And before you ask, my ratio of victory is 52%. Not the best, still highter than you, and unliKe you. I don't blame the team for my own mistakes. Something you show you will never be able to do.

And unlike you, I always try to progress and to be more efficient. What does this module do? I ask to the guy who have more knowledge than me.

How should I use this boat? I check his armor, gun, how it globaly handle and try to make out the best of it. If I die in less than 5 minutes, I screwed up. If I die without damaging ennemy. I screwed up, if I get destroyed by the whole team. I screwed up. Me, not the team. But me.

 

But you? You rush in the middle of Ocean, you get kill. It's the fault of the team. You take a destroyer and rush into a pack of cruiser and get killed, it's the fault of you team. You take a battleship and rush head first near an island where Destroyer will OBVIOUSLY rape you, it's the fault of your team.

 

 

You don't understand this game, you are not even able to think about yourself, thinking you are omnipotent and know-it-all. You know nothing. You don't even know the basic stuff of this game, you don't know how to place yourself, and your multiple screen show with your multiple ban you are a rageboy.

I really hope to find you ingame one time just to give you a glimps of what you could actually be if you stopped for 5 seconds to be a complete moronic jerk and you would actually try to progress in this game.

 

[SmartassNoob]

LOL @ this discussion.

[cro_pwr]

 

It's quite impressive being this stubborn. 

 

 

Holy mother of God, Comrade Stalin is impressed with all the red color

 

[KuroNyra]

 

Holy mother of God, Comrade Stalin is impressed with all the red color

 

 

Ironicly, the only positive win ratio is with a BB so slow he can't rush headfirst. X')

[ThinderChief]

 

Because all he do is screaming against the team.

You know: from time to time you can find a guy on the game that rush on the worst position ever, and then blame the team about his death.

He's that guy.

I'm not the one who can't understand how modules works and how teamplay works in this game.

 

But hey, you have a win-ratio of 45.04% gg bro! You lose 65% of your games, and considering the rest of the stats. You're probably in big part responsible for it!

 

And before you ask, my ratio of victory is 52%. Not the best, still highter than you, and unliKe you. I don't blame the team for my own mistakes. Something you show you will never be able to do.

And unlike you, I always try to progress and to be more efficient. What does this module do? I ask to the guy who have more knowledge than me.

How should I use this boat? I check his armor, gun, how it globaly handle and try to make out the best of it. If I die in less than 5 minutes, I screwed up. If I die without damaging ennemy. I screwed up, if I get destroyed by the whole team. I screwed up. Me, not the team. But me.

 

But you? You rush in the middle of Ocean, you get kill. It's the fault of the team. You take a destroyer and rush into a pack of cruiser and get killed, it's the fault of you team. You take a battleship and rush head first near an island where Destroyer will OBVIOUSLY rape you, it's the fault of your team.

 

 

You don't understand this game, you are not even able to think about yourself, thinking you are omnipotent and know-it-all. You know nothing. You don't even know the basic stuff of this game, you don't know how to place yourself, and your multiple screen show with your multiple ban you are a rageboy.

I really hope to find you ingame one time just to give you a glimps of what you could actually be if you stopped for 5 seconds to be a complete moronic jerk and you would actually try to progress in this game.

 

 

You this... You that... Blah-di-blah, typical internet troll pattern.

 

Take a collective hike, as I already said, the day I need experts opinion you're not going to be on my list and it's a short one, as for the "tests" you conducted you and your troll friends, the results are a total cluster if you went by your understanding of what W.G says about it since apparently you are unable to comprehend the differences quoted, after support explained the module function in no uncertain terms, meaning all the noises you made about your "tactics" based on the concealment module went down the drain. FAST. You may be a Week end tester, it doesn't make you smart.

 

Which in turn mean that your little tricks hardly hide your pronounced taste for HE spamming and "invisifiring", camping and the rest of it, I already spotted that long ago, plus you still can't answer the question WHY would W.G give TWO difference %ages for the same function, but you're insisting in knowing better. Pathetic.

 

Now get off my back and play orange and lemon with those weak enough to believe a geezer like you or the trolls posting people's stats as proof of how right they might be, that's the argument of those who have no argument.

 

When one have to resort to repeated personal attacks, we know where the flaming and trolling come from and why, you lost the plot long ago.

 

Oh I forgot, is any of you in the top ten or working as a techie for support? NO.  And I really prefer my stats to any of yours considering the kind of mentality it takes to play like you do. Got it now? So trolling it is. Bye bye.

 

NOW WE KNOW WHO THE CAMPERS ARE.

[KuroNyra]

The day you will actively trying to be something else than a pain in the butt of your team.

Your win ratio will skyrocket.

Until then, you are nothing more than a typical Call of Duty crybaby unable to do anything correctly.

 

Maybe I am not "smart", but apparently even without being smart I still have better result than you do.

Ho well, welcome to the ignore list, enjoy the bottom of the score list.

 

Your stats show that you can't hit. You can't damage anything, your stats show you can't survive, and you can't spot. Your stats show you are below average compared to the rest of the players of World of Warships. But apparently, you are proud of being a wasted place on your team..

[Sana_Khan]

Yeah...

 

Unrecoverable.

 

 

 

[ThinderChief]

The day you will actively trying to be something else than a pain in the butt of your team.

Your win ratio will skyrocket.

Until then, you are nothing more than a typical Call of Duty crybaby unable to do anything correctly.

 

Maybe I am not "smart", but apparently even without being smart I still have better result than you do.

Ho well, welcome to the ignore list, enjoy the bottom of the score list.

 

Your stats show that you can't hit. You can't damage anything, your stats show you can't survive, and you can't spot. Your stats show you are below average compared to the rest of the players of World of Warships. But apparently, you are proud of being a wasted place on your team..

 

​LOL!"! Get over those FACTS:

 

1) You've been proven wrong and can't admit to it, the only argument you have left for ages is the troll's speciality of personal attacks, like I care, you're wasting your time and good forum space too with B.S.

 

2) The type of gaming you promote is that of campers and invisifiring HE spammers, not what I want to do and certainly not what W.G intended this game to became in the first place.

 

3) W.G already stated there was enough of this playstyle and it is one of the reasons why they came up with this new Fire Prevention Skill, it's not gonna take long before they realise that you and the like of yours abuses HE and fire against something else than BBs and chage this too, unfortunately for you i'm not the only one saying so, go mock their stats for a laugh, trolling is not working for you.

 

4) You need to hire a nanny if you lack so much attention but YOU are certainly not an example for anyone, not even a noob, since you can't figure what your guns are good at and only use one characteristic which allows you to spam HE, I can recall a guy (a Beta Tester with better stats than yours btw) proving you also wrong on the subject of the Baltimore guns, this one was plain funny, so it was not only the Budyonny guns you got wrong.

 

But Nah, all you got is blah-di-blah trolling and flame bating as if everyone had to play your way or even wanted to, perhaps that's the reason why people like me don't take geezers like you the slightest seriously, and I repeat, I don't want YOUR stats considering the mentality it takes to play like you do, I don't want to play like YOU and I despise your attitude, starting with your low level of intellectual honesty, I prefer my stats. Cheers.

 

So if ever we needed an explanation on WHY doesn't BB player tank? Here you have your answer, campers and invisifiring HE spammers imposing this playstyle on other players.

 

To justify it, they will lecture people in topics on how unbeatable this concealment mod is and how they score high thanks to this "tactic", in the meantime, the guys in question are often not even aware they are there simply because they do not have the modifications to counter those, but I am most of the time, I just chose to ignore them and keep playing the way I intend to, and when it works I score high enough, simply i'm certainly not going to camp.

 

Nothing special about camping, everyone can CAMP and deprive the front runners of precious support, if I want to do it with a Des Moines, I do, I melted every kind of BB this way, the difference being I score tons more citadels than the HE spammers because HE is NOT my cuppa and I move when support is needed elsewhere, and I do NOT gear my ships for invisifiring and HE spamming, I do that enough playing DDs, as a matter of fact I sold all my British Cruisers, no smoke for me in CA/CLs. 

 

So let's see with time is the campers will have it all their way, for the time being we can witness their usual flame bating thing and stats agitating, out of argument, last resort, missed.

[ThinderChief]

Yeah...

 

Unrecoverable.

 

 

 

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And what exactly make you think I need or even want to be "recovered" by your bunch? Pure delusion? You're top 10 WoW? Nope, so considering the relatively low number of people playing this game, I think your opinion of yourself flies way above you paygrade, you're like a second division footie player wanting to open a football school pretending to be Thierry Henry, you're NOT, as for your funny picture, you can vacate if you like, i'm not going to miss your posts.

 

Not happy? Tough.

[lycea]

It's all about awareness and tactical insight, 

For example if you see a battleship that is camping then he/she clearly is clueless of what he/she should do. So you gonna stick around and wait for such a player to make a move? No you should use the minimap and look for other oppurtunities. Or maybe try to communicate a bit instead of insta-flaming the poor soul. 

 

This goes both ways for example if my team has A and B, then I'll happily park my battleship at B instead of rushing off towards C where I'm out in the open, and force the enemy to make a move because we have the cap advantage. My allies just have to camp behind me, support me as I tank the damage. But instead of doing so they rush off to C and get themselves sunk and get mad at me for trying to play smart 

[KuroNyra]

 

​LOL!"! Get over those FACTS:

 

1) You've been proven wrong

Hold on, when? Where? How? No because from what I can see, everybody give you wrong.

And your stats too. And your pictures, and even your own words proove you are wrong on many levels.

 

Surely you cannot be that dumb.

 

 

[ThinderChief]

Hold on, when? Where? How? No because from what I can see, everybody give you wrong.

And your stats too. And your pictures, and even your own words proove you are wrong on many levels.

 

Surely you cannot be that dumb.

 

 

 

​And who exactly is "everybody"? YOU? The HE invisispammers and Camper's Paradise Club? LOL!

 

Support? Nope they proved my point, and another one, that next X-Mass you need to order a good edition of the Oxford  to Santa before even thinking you that you can lecture people when in fact, cant comprehend plain, good English properly, talk about dumb.

 

And something else mate, your main issue is that you CANT see, you cant see when you're trolling which is what you have done in this topic from your first post on the subject of errr.... Me, wrong topic, and you CANT see when what you write is not endorsed the slightest by W.G own topics, all you see is your excuse and what false argument you can come up to justify your play style. 

 

So keep camping and invisifiring all you want but stop lecturing people on how better than other you understand game mechanics, you don't even understand the guns of the ships you use, it's enough for me.

[KuroNyra]

 

​And who exactly is "everybody"? YOU? The HE invisispammers and Camper's Paradise Club? LOL!

 

Approximately each personne except you in this thread.

[ThinderChief]

Here is the result of a dynamic game, I didn't stay stationary more than a couple of mn, to make sure I wasn't going to get citadeled by a BB, flushed out of their smoke bubble a couple of DDs and invisifiring Cruiser using my radar and hydro, killed a BB... With AP. 

 

 

Not much damage but enough work to insure I contributed to this victory the way I want to play this game. A lot more satisfying than the camping "tactics" of some... You want support? I can provide, I am not going to claim I will survive it but I will provide AA (my ships are geared for the purpose when possible) and DD/smoke lovers hunting.

 

 

[ThinderChief]

 

Approximately each personne except you in this thread.

 

LOL! You guys needs to consult, you really suffer from delusion of grandeur, must take a lot for specialists in camping to make this claim in a topic with this tittle.

[I_AM_LULU_SNAIL]

*Achieves a 30k dmge game in a TIX cruiser...*

 

MY LIFE IS COMPLETE!

 

Meh, I would call that a mediocre game, for someone claiming he masters each aspect of the game.

No, that's BS actually.