Khabarovsk or Udaloi

[avenger121]

Should you keep the Khabarovsk or the Udaloi?

 

For the Khabarovsk speaks 120 shells instead of 90 per minute fired at the enemy, 3700 more base HP, 2km more torp range, 50mm armor patches and 3 knots more speed.

 

But there are huge downsides, the ships gets bigger and thus a lot easier to hit, also the 50mm armor patches mean that those pesky BBs shells fuse far more often for 33% shell dmg instead of 10%. As pretty good Udaloi player, I can say that played correctly, the biggest danger are BB shells penetrating instead of overpenetrating. The Udaloi has 1.2km more gun range. You loose nearly 2s rudder shift time in the Khabarovsk compared to the Udaloi and furthermore your turning circle also gets 150m bigger. The Khaba gets also 0.7km earlier detected and being more prone to enemy Torpedos thanks to the bigger turning circle radius makes capping not easier.

 

Looking at the server stats:

3 weeks before patch, 3.9. - 10.9.
218 players with 4362 matches
56,43% WR with 66363 DPG

 

2 weeks before patch, 10.9. - 17.9.
178 players with 3513 matches
53,7% WR with 66293 DPG

 

1 week before patch, 17.9. - 24.9.
182 players with 3677 matches
53,89% WR with 67903 DPG

 

patch week, 24.9. - 1.10.
147 players with 2988 matches
53,91% WR with 63585 DPG

 

1 week after patch, 1.10. - 8.10.
53 players with 981 matches
51,19% WR with 53143 DPG

 

2 weeks after patch, 8.10. - 15.10.
48 players with 756 matches
50,88% WR with 53005 DPG

 

3 weeks after patch, 15.10. - 22.10.
53 players with 1072 matches
48,99% WR with 58070 DPG

 

source is maplesyrup

 

The Khabarovsk went from roughly 54,6% WR in the 3 weeks before the patch to 50,4% WR 3 weeks post the patch, making the Khabarovsk more balanced. This is pretty nice regarding the balancing. However if you look at the player numbers and the amount of patches played, you can say the popularity of the match of the Khaba took a huge hit. In the 3 weeks post patch only ~ 26,4% of the amount of players that played the Khabarovsk in the 3 weeks before the patch is left. Amount of matches played also decreased to ~ 24,3% of the former number.

 

If you look at warships.today for the top Khabarovsk players and check their stats for the last 30 days you see that nearly all of them stopped playing the Khabarovsk.

 

 

TLDR: The Khabarovsk is a huge improvement in terms of firepower, despite less gun range, compared to the Udaloi, but you cant really say that about maneuverability and stealth. So, which ships is more fun and thus should be kept in the harbour?

[Panocek]

I've kept Udaloi with her 16lvl captain after buying Kebab. While pre nerf Kebab was ultimate salt and tears farming device (and still is, you just do it from the smoke instead WSADing your way past 14km), range nerf killed fun factor. Extra turret and 50mm plating, withstanding non BB sized HE isn't worth loss of mobility, range and concealment

 

Udaloi won her place in my port with versatility - small (by RU DDs standards), very nimble while still maintaining high speed, great guns, solid tirps and a lot of them, good concealment - again, by Russian standards. Basically uptiered and Stalin approved Błyskawica

 

[viceadmiral123]

I'm going for Khaba and Kiev. Keep Udaloi if you have space and captains. Kiev is muuuuch more trolly because of lower tier MM.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

got khaba  and its still rocks after nerf

[Mayv]

Udaloi. Don't see the point in playing the Khaba after the nerf.

[VeteranGamer84]

I got AFT for my Khabarovsk and I'm playing with it as if it didn't get nerfed hahahaha..!!

 

[IntelligenceData]

I liked both before the nerv and still play them quite often.

Playing the Udaloi agressive right from the start works for me. With the Khaba I pussy around a lot in the beginning til the enemy DDs are spotted.If I had to decide between them I would probably pick the Khaba not because I think its better(tier for tier),but because its tier 10 and I hate the Gearing compared to the Fletcher and Shima is kinda boring to me.Keep both and get yourself a Leningrad for crew training would be my advise.

But I'm only a wallet warrior..

 

 

[scorp123_CH]

I got AFT for my Khabarovsk and I'm playing with it as if it didn't get nerfed hahahaha..!!

 

 

I am struggling soooo hard with my Khabarovsk now :/   I pretty much lose every game with it. Just can't get the hang of it. Sooooo ... if you have tips and hints I'd be happy to hear them?

[ThePurpleSmurf]

 

I am struggling soooo hard with my Khabarovsk now :/   I pretty much lose every game with it. Just can't get the hang of it. Sooooo ... if you have tips and hints I'd be happy to hear them?

 

It's because 12 out of 12 player on the enemy team focus all their attention on you for the 'kill 20 RU ships' ARP Nachi mission

[kfa]

Udaloi. Don't see the point in playing the Khaba after the nerf.

 

Yeah sure mate. Post nerf Khabarovsk games. I could definitely not have done the things i did with the Udaloi.

 

 

 

 

 

[scorp123_CH]

 

Yeah sure mate. Post nerf Khabarovsk games. I could definitely not have done the things i did with the Udaloi....

 

 

Very impressive. Soooo ... what's your build? What Capt. skills are you using? Any tips and tricks you'd be willing to share....?

 

My Khab games are downright horrible since the nerf and I do poorly.  :-/

[kfa]

 

Very impressive. Soooo ... what's your build? What Capt. skills are you using? Any tips and tricks you'd be willing to share....?

 

My Khab games are downright horrible since the nerf and I do poorly.  :-/

 

Basicly i try to do everything like this guy:

 

[scorp123_CH]

 

Basicly i try to do everything like this guy:

....

 

Yes, I know "Flamu" and his videos and I love to watch those ... sadly I can't reproduce his spectacular results :-/

[G3Virus]

Well he only shows when things works out for him.

[Hedgehog1963]

As a player on Tashkent right now (and liking it - I know it isn't popular) I'm really interested in this.

[creamgravy]

I keep getting caught out by players using the Udaloi A-hull. It scrambles your mind when someone starts spamming 3x3 every ~60 seconds, surely there must be a Fubuki in the area too... 

 

Keep the ones you have fun in.

[ThePurpleSmurf]

Well he only shows when things works out for him.

 

Do you refer to flamu? If so, then i beg to differ. In my opinion is he one of the most honest 'pros' in this game and he potatoes quite a bit on his stream and can laugh about himself, not taking himself too serious. At the same time he is one of the most competent content contributors we have in WoWs at the moment.

[scorp123_CH]

Well, I suck horribly in the Khabarovsk....  

[Kittykami]

Just got my Udaloi and even stock she's a lot of fun. Think I'll keep her regardless of whether I decide to get Kebab or not. Plus I think she's pretty... and my port is packed with ships that I hung onto or ground for that sole reason

 

[G3Virus]

 

Do you refer to flamu? If so, then i beg to differ. In my opinion is he one of the most honest 'pros' in this game and he potatoes quite a bit on his stream and can laugh about himself, not taking himself too serious. At the same time he is one of the most competent content contributors we have in WoWs at the moment.

 

Me and my frinds have played against him more then once so Im talking from my own experience.

And Im not gonna go in to details on my opinion about him since that would be unfair but just like you, me and my frinds have varying opinions about him and what he produces but thats life and the cost of fame.

 

But the point I made is that people making videos for a living prefer to show there best games.

 

If you stream like he dose from time to time well then you just have to take it as it comes.

[VeteranGamer84]

 

I am struggling soooo hard with my Khabarovsk now :/   I pretty much lose every game with it. Just can't get the hang of it. Sooooo ... if you have tips and hints I'd be happy to hear them?

 

Sure. I play my Khabarovsk as a high speed flame thrower and as a distraction ship while letting my team have better time shooting at them. I use the steering mod 2 to upgrade my maneuverability which makes life harder for enemy ships to shoot at you. I don't play the "Cap" game at the beginning cuz simply I will lose it for other destroyers unless I find the right opportunity to do so. One Important thing to note is that to maintain your max gun range (13 km with AFT) as long as possible. Demolition captain is also strongly recommended. Also don't be shy to use your torps and don't bother trying the upgraded ones. If you're interested into RU DDs then it might be good idea to try Leningrad and play that same distracting role if you want to.

[scorp123_CH]

 

Sure. I play my Khabarovsk as a high speed flame thrower and as a distraction ship while letting my team have better time shooting at them. I use the steering mod 2 to upgrade my maneuverability which makes life harder for enemy ships to shoot at you. I don't play the "Cap" game at the beginning cuz simply I will lose it for other destroyers unless I find the right opportunity to do so. One Important thing to note is that to maintain your max gun range (13 km with AFT) as long as possible. Demolition captain is also strongly recommended. Also don't be shy to use your torps and don't bother trying the upgraded ones. If you're interested into RU DDs then it might be good idea to try Leningrad and play that same distracting role if you want to.

 

Oddly enough, I do "quite ok" in the Leningrad. It's even the same captain...  :/

[VeteranGamer84]

 

Oddly enough, I do "quite ok" in the Leningrad. It's even the same captain...  :/

 

Try to be SO aggressive while playing the Khabarovsk and don't care about getting spotted and enemy ships will feel your power.

[scorp123_CH]

 

Try to be SO aggressive while playing the Khabarovsk and don't care about getting spotted and enemy ships will feel your power.

 

Had a great game with the Leningrad this morning. I was still drinking my first coffee and managed 140k damage, 2 x kills, was on 3rd place on the score board. That's what I consider "quite OK".

 

Then tried the Khabarovsk again. Like 2 minutes into the game I am already dead ... :/

 

I need more practising it seems.... 

[DinkyToy_AW]

 

I dont have the Kaba but still when i meet one i sh*t my pants full and run like the wind 
Just observe how he play this ship maybe position could help you a bit to understand it better and maybe that way your positions, playstyle can improve more

GL