Tako finally hitting the EU server

[mikelight1805]

 

Here's an idea. WG start offering a Takao permanent camo for the Atago! Im sure they would sell well at the WG bargain price of 3000 doubloons, just like the Prinz Eugen!

 

Sarcasm mode disabled....

 

[Tubit101]

 

And you think ranting about "unfair" treatment will change anything?

 

The only thing I can be sure of is that doing nothing will accomplish nothing.

[Egoleter]

Here's an idea. WG start offering a Takao permanent camo for the Atago! Im sure they would sell well at the WG bargain price of 3000 doubloons, just like the Prinz Eugen!

 

Sarcasm mode disabled....

 

Only if I get the Captain and the voiceover along with it.

[AgarwaenME]

 

Mr. Conway tried to use this argument as well, and later admitted he was wrong. Why? Because asking people to play a higher tier before they are allowed to play a ship one tier lower is ridiculous. The entire game revolves around gaining experience with a lower tier ship before moving on to the next one. This is the fundamental mechanic. WG already breaks this by allowing absolutely anyone to buy the Atago and sail around in top tier matches from day one.

 

But now you're coming here saying that it's necessary for people to play tier nine before they can play tier eight? I can only ask you the same I did Mr Conway; are you even believing yourself when you claim that? I can only see this as a case of people going to insane lengths in order to defend a very poorly thought out decision by WG. It is like you're incapable of seeing this situation with any nuances to it what so ever.

 

Yes, the T6 requirement is low. But it doesn't inflict any lasting problems compared to outright buying the Atago as a complete newbie. So what's the big deal? There is no problem here that WG  didn't already create themselves. This is simply a case of WG EU being more greedy than other regions, despite having a better paying customer base.

 

Well MrConway has perfected "how can I twist anything to where anything we do is correct and if that means crapping on our customers to protect ourselves, then so what?". His only job at this point seems to be to defend WG EU and every incompetent act anyone at WG EU does. His total disdain for the player base is a complete disgrace.

 

As so many others here have noted, requiring t9+ not only breaks the usual sense of progress, it also forces far more people to rush to higher tiers before having appropriate skill or ships, which in turn reduces the fun for those simply playing those tiers regularly, while also requiring those (like me) who plays a wide spread of tiers to focus higher tiers and play ships outside our usual line of progress. T8 would have been appropriate to get a "nonpremium" Atago, just because it's effecticely nearly as good as most t9 ships.

 

Also, given how the Nachi requires t8+, while the rest have lower requirements, it just means you have to pick the highest tier ship to do these missions (and it would have been far worse for me personally had I not gotten all the earlier arp ships, but for those who needs them to they have some truly ridiculous things like "200" torpedo hits which requires rather a lot of specific DD grinding, which would be even worse if you lack a higher tier DD so you can double up on the higher tier missions). Of course, them also removing any rewards for those who already did them is a nice little extra "FU" to their more dedicated players.

[PotatoTorpedo]

This is one of the most whining forums I have ever come across. It really is a miserable place.

[eliastion]

 

(...) Of course, them also removing any rewards for those who already did them is a nice little extra "FU" to their more dedicated players.

Ok, I feel the need to comment on that one - SOME people not getting port slots for missions that double up on ARP ships they already own is a confirmed bug. While not reflecting terribly well on WG, it's not them being a [edited]but something not working as intended. I, for one, got a port slot when I completed the Kongo mission so I can confirm that it works at least some of the time. Not sure if I got credits for the ship itself but, well, I don't exactly monitor my credits closely with the kind of reserves that made me disappointed about yesterday's supercontainer bringing a couple million (was it 3 or 5, I don't recall, don't care) credits rather than some flags, camos or... well, pretty much anything.

Either way, if you completed a mission and got nothing, by all means go and file ticket because you fell prey to a bug.

[AgarwaenME]

Ok, I feel the need to comment on that one - SOME people not getting port slots for missions that double up on ARP ships they already own is a confirmed bug. While not reflecting terribly well on WG, it's not them being a [edited]but something not working as intended. I, for one, got a port slot when I completed the Kongo mission so I can confirm that it works at least some of the time. Not sure if I got credits for the ship itself but, well, I don't exactly monitor my credits closely with the kind of reserves that made me disappointed about yesterday's supercontainer bringing a couple million (was it 3 or 5, I don't recall, don't care) credits rather than some flags, camos or... well, pretty much anything.

Either way, if you completed a mission and got nothing, by all means go and file ticket because you fell prey to a bug.

 

Given my experiences with WG EU customer support (as in, being utterly uninterested in anything but damage control for themselves) I have no interest in spending time (and more time than that port slot would ever be worth) to even communicate with them again.

[mikelight1805]

I have read a lot of people on this and other similar threads suggesting WG are forcing people into high tier games for the Takao. Isn't it more of a case of encouragement rather than forcefulness? WG haven't made me play my Roon, they have encouraged it by offering a reward. 

[Egoleter]

I have read a lot of people on this and other similar threads suggesting WG are forcing people into high tier games for the Takao. Isn't it more of a case of encouragement rather than forcefulness? WG haven't made me play my Roon, they have encouraged it by offering a reward. 

 

For the time being they have encouraged me to not play at all with their disciminating behavior. That surely is in their best interest.

[Hateshinaku]

This is one of the most whining forums I have ever come across. It really is a miserable place.

 

you can always leave if you feel like it ^^

[Panocek]

Panocek, on 03 November 2016 - 10:13 AM, said:

 

And you think ranting about "unfair" treatment will change anything?

 

The only thing I can be sure of is that doing nothing will accomplish nothing.

 

Only cases whining on EU achieved something was when RU whined about it too.

[mikelight1805]

 

For the time being they have encouraged me to not play at all with their disciminating behavior. That surely is in their best interest.

 

At least you aren't loudly threatening to delete your account and never give them money ever again like some others. There always seems to be that sort here that says it but always continues playing and paying.

[Egoleter]

 

At least you aren't loudly threatening to delete your account and never give them money ever again like some others. There always seems to be that sort here that says it but always continues playing and paying.

 

Well... I did threaten to delete my account. But I have read up on the requierments for that and I'm not sure I can come up with all the informations necessary for the process, so it will just become not used. I wanted to free up my name in case someone else wants to take it if I no longer play. Not deleting the account also has the benefit that if WG-EU changes their behavior someday I can happily come back.

 

As I never gave them money, only lots of my time to be content for the paying players, I can't threaten them to never pay them again. I wouldn't make such a stupid statement either. You'll never know what might come and a single player no longer paying wouldn't have much of an impact. And as I have seen players complaining here about the unfair treatment but happily jumping in to buy the Albert, I would feel stupid to be compared to them.

[Tubit101]

I have read a lot of people on this and other similar threads suggesting WG are forcing people into high tier games for the Takao. Isn't it more of a case of encouragement rather than forcefulness? WG haven't made me play my Roon, they have encouraged it by offering a reward. 

 

Nah. That doesn't come into this at all, imo. If that were the case, the rest of WG's regions would do the same as EU. This is simply about letting as few as possible get something for free. Unfortunately, that pressures people into playing game modes they don't enjoy. They are electing not to be reasonable because they value a higher profit margin over good customer relations. A bad long term strategy because they wear down their customers, imo. But there you have it. WG EU aren't exactly known for taking great care of their customers.

 

Personally I have the Fletcher researched. I actually found out kind of by accident, but playing ranked has gained me the xp I need. But you know what? It just sounds like a chore. I can play the tiers I like on my NA account instead and actually have fun and still get the Takao. I know this to be true with most people. Most people aren't playing tier 9+ even if they can.

[Tubit101]

 

At least you aren't loudly threatening to delete your account and never give them money ever again like some others. There always seems to be that sort here that says it but always continues playing and paying.

 

Can't say I've seen much of this to be honest. I've seen plenty of people saying they'll stop buying things, but not being all dramatic about it and deleting their account. Why would they? How would you know if people stop paying? I haven't paid anything to WG EU since i switched to NA a long time ago. I came back recently to see if things have improved here, which would mean start spending some money again, but WG are still treating customers poorly, so I won't.

[BlueMoon51]

While WG EU can, of course, discriminate, they are under no obligation to treat us "fairly" The one thing that really upsets me is when if you log into another region website etc or set up an account it wants to send you back to EU so you can get a "better" experience. While you do get slightly lower ping on the other servers, I honestly struggle to see how they can justify the EU experience being better for people based in the EU. Indeed the only advantage seems to be that WG can more efficiently milk us and before someone comes on and says...... events even themselves out..... I challenge WG EU to offer a one-off server transfer for accounts and see what the people playing think of how well you even things out.

[mikelight1805]

I am not a fan of WGs customer service by any means, nor am i a WG fan boy. I play the games i like, when i like. I also pay for the things i like. that might be a month of premium, if there is something decent to grind for, it may be a premium vehicle if i like that vehicle.

 

I vote with my wallet. WG will listen if they dont make money. Your example of the Albert is absolutely correct. much whine, but it still sells!

[Bellegar]

 

Only cases whining on EU achieved something was when RU whined about it too.

 

That's not true actually. Remember Project R lottery was changed after a massive shitstorm? Remember the bundle policy that got changed after many whine threads?

But yes, RU whining about it too greatly improves our chances, how sad that may be

[Zogash85]

I don't particularly like playing Tier 9+, I only have the Iowa at that tier, which I haven't fully upgraded yet and I haven't really got the hang of so far, and still I think getting 50 wins in two months for a free Atago (minus the prem bonuses) isn't all that bad. I can do that in 25 days just by playing the Iowa for 2-4 games a day. I can even skip days/games if I can't be arsed and still have plenty of time left to complete the mission. The only thing that's weird is that you have to use Tier 9+ to get a Tier 8 ship, but even then, if it were Tier 8s I personally would think the mission would be too easy. It'd take no extra effort whatsoever. You'd just get a free Atago after a few days of playing just your regular routine. This way at least I have an actual incentive to git gud in the Iowa after having her sit in my port mostly unused for months.

 

[Tubit101]

I guess it's time to point out that Mr. Conway has not returned to this thread to give an explanation on the reasons for WG EU setting the requirement for the Takao mission to tier 9 while the rest of the world has it set to tier 6. He said earlier in this thread that he would provide feedback on this by yesterday.

[Niaro]

Mr. Conway has not returned to this thread to give an explanation on the reasons for WG EU setting the requirement for the Takao mission to tier 9

 

Im sure he could have answered it 2 days ago if he wanted.

But you see telling people they put it on tier 9 so they can milk gold, premtime and maybe some prem ships off the people would sound a tiny bit bad.

[Kandly]

Hi guys,

 

I have some Q&As for you that could maybe help shed light on the reasoning behind the Takao mission.

 

Q: Why the limit to tier IX?
A: Because we want more of our players to advance to higher tiers and play them – especially after the recent economy changes should have made them more accessible to regular players.

 

Q: But why is the mission so much harder than on NA?
A: In fact… That may be disputed. While the NA mission is Tier VI+, it also lasts only 1 month – and you need to get 100,000 Base XP.  
In comparison:
·    If you already have Tier IX or X, you have 2 months to win 50 battles – that is well within the envelope for a regular player.
·    If you have Tier VIII, getting to Tier IX should be much faster even with just Standard account than getting the 100,000 base XP – as you can fully use weekend specials, daily doubles, signal flags and Halloween/Ranked/other camouflages.
·    If you have lower tiers, then it may be harder – still, 2 months should be enough if you focus your attention to getting to Tier IX.
·    This then gives you ample time to get the 50 wins (even if you spend 1 month getting to tier IX).

Additionally, we are offering during the same time period another new ARP ship – Nachi – and a chance to catch up on all the older ships you may have missed – and note that playing at tier IX / getting to Tier IX will count to your progress in all these lower tiered missions as well, so you will be killing a LOT of crows with one stone.

 

Sorry this took so long! 

 

If you have any other questions, feel free to poke me or share them in this topic.

 

Best,

Kandly

[SexyCroat]

I dont really give a damn about takao, i just want my question answeres in announcements clans....

[Hateshinaku]

Hi guys,

 

I have some Q&As for you that could maybe help shed light on the reasoning behind the Takao mission.

 

Q: Why the limit to tier IX?
A: Because we want more of our players to advance to higher tiers and play them – especially after the recent economy changes should have made them more accessible to regular players.

 

Q: But why is the mission so much harder than on NA?
A: In fact… That may be disputed. While the NA mission is Tier VI+, it also lasts only 1 month – and you need to get 100,000 Base XP.  
In comparison:
·    If you already have Tier IX or X, you have 2 months to win 50 battles – that is well within the envelope for a regular player.
·    If you have Tier VIII, getting to Tier IX should be much faster even with just Standard account than getting the 100,000 base XP – as you can fully use weekend specials, daily doubles, signal flags and Halloween/Ranked/other camouflages.
·    If you have lower tiers, then it may be harder – still, 2 months should be enough if you focus your attention to getting to Tier IX.
·    This then gives you ample time to get the 50 wins (even if you spend 1 month getting to tier IX).

Additionally, we are offering during the same time period another new ARP ship – Nachi – and a chance to catch up on all the older ships you may have missed – and note that playing at tier IX / getting to Tier IX will count to your progress in all these lower tiered missions as well, so you will be killing a LOT of crows with one stone.

 

Sorry this took so long! 

 

If you have any other questions, feel free to poke me or share them in this topic.

 

Best,

Kandly

 

Np I understand the fact that it takes qiete a bunch of time thinking about an legit answer >_>

[Egoleter]

Hi guys,

 

I have some Q&As for you that could maybe help shed light on the reasoning behind the Takao mission.

 

Q: Why the limit to tier IX?
A: Because we want more of our players to advance to higher tiers and play them – especially after the recent economy changes should have made them more accessible to regular players.

 

Q: But why is the mission so much harder than on NA?
A: In fact… That may be disputed. While the NA mission is Tier VI+, it also lasts only 1 month – and you need to get 100,000 Base XP.  
In comparison:
·    If you already have Tier IX or X, you have 2 months to win 50 battles – that is well within the envelope for a regular player.
·    If you have Tier VIII, getting to Tier IX should be much faster even with just Standard account than getting the 100,000 base XP – as you can fully use weekend specials, daily doubles, signal flags and Halloween/Ranked/other camouflages.
·    If you have lower tiers, then it may be harder – still, 2 months should be enough if you focus your attention to getting to Tier IX.
·    This then gives you ample time to get the 50 wins (even if you spend 1 month getting to tier IX).

Additionally, we are offering during the same time period another new ARP ship – Nachi – and a chance to catch up on all the older ships you may have missed – and note that playing at tier IX / getting to Tier IX will count to your progress in all these lower tiered missions as well, so you will be killing a LOT of crows with one stone.

 

Sorry this took so long! 

 

If you have any other questions, feel free to poke me or share them in this topic.

 

Best,

Kandly

 

There are several things wrong with those answers. The answer to the tier 9 requirement doesn't adress the fact that plenty of players are excluded, where on the other servers they can participate. What is even more important, it contradicts previous statements that the missions for global events are planned and adjusted to cater to the regional communities needs. This mission is catered purely to wargamings needs. Higher tiers are costly. You want to pressure players into spending money to convert FreeXP and to buy premium time. You completly ignore the communities wishes, that we expressed for the whole time that I am a part of it, and probably even before that. That is equal treatment for all servers. Nobody is questioning the 50 mission requirement as hard. It is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

The second question doesn't answer why suddenly the Myokos are also with a higher tier need, as previously they could be earned with same tier ships. Please go back to whoever is responsible for that decision and make it clear to that person that he has driven at least one player away with his/her greed.

 

Goodbye