Tako finally hitting the EU server

[Doerte]

This entire game is free. So we can't complain about anything.

Let's stop giving feedback and just play if we agree with everything 100%, otherwise uninstall.

I am nowhere near 100% okay with the current state of the game (as many of us aren't). But in this case, I seriously don't understand the amount "EU is always treated worse"-tears, as we still get a free ship in a fairly easy way.

And tbh: I remember the days when Atago came out and every single game started of by 3-4 Atagos showing full broadside in order to torp... but got insta-deleted. And I got serious hopes, with the T9-requirements, it will not be THAT bad again. So yeah... I'm glad, no T6max-player can get her.

But personally, I'd keep players from buying high-tier Premiums, until they've regularly levelled up to the same Tier. So you only be able to buy a Tirpitz if you already had a Tier8 etc. But that is sth WG would never do,

[Nechrom]

I am nowhere near 100% okay with the current state of the game (as many of us aren't). But in this case, I seriously don't understand the amount "EU is always treated worse"-tears, as we still get a free ship in a fairly easy way.

And tbh: I remember the days when Atago came out and every single game started of by 3-4 Atagos showing full broadside in order to torp... but got insta-deleted. And I got serious hopes, with the T9-requirements, it will not be THAT bad again. So yeah... I'm glad, no T6max-player can get her.

But personally, I'd keep players from buying high-tier Premiums, until they've regularly levelled up to the same Tier. So you only be able to buy a Tirpitz if you already had a Tier8 etc. But that is sth WG would never do,

 

I was trying to point out that the "it's free"-argument is stupid for a F2P game.

 

But really, if you're able to step out of your own situation for a bit. Isn't it a bit selfish to give a pass to anti-consumer practices just because the alternative might inconvenience you a bit for a while?

If I would be completely selfish as an Atago owner with nothing to lose by limiting the Takao availability, I'd just say that you'd have to own an Atago to be able to get the Takao and list all the reasons why that makes sense while ignoring all the reasons why not to do that because they don't personally effect me.

 

It's alright to be okay with a tier 9-10 requirement for the Takao for whatever reason. But none of those reasons are good arguments for getting harsher treatment than other regions or the sudden change from a same tier requirement to a +1 tier requirement.

[eliastion]

So... selling the Atago for 40€ is totally fine, but giving her away for free is greedy and immoral... because you need a Tier9?  (Keep in mind: No one forces you to get her AND she is still for free)

Following you logic, WG should have just NOT made it possible to get her at all... and everything would be fine. (Because no one was crying that SEA and RU-Servers are sailing their Takaos for quite some time now)

(...)

 

That is a dishonest argument if I ever saw one. Nobody was complaining that they already have Takao? Well, that's because EVERYBODY KNEW IT'S A DELAY, NOT AN OMISSION. We all knew Takao was coming, there actually were some people grumbling quietly that EU lags behind but nobody expected us to be denied the ship - so nobody was enraged with the situation. People can handle delays. I can assure you, however - the sh*tstorm here wouldn't exactly be smaller if we suddenly learned that WG EU decided to wrap up the ARP collaboration without any Takao missions whatsoever.

[brutus007]

Really happy I have never spent a cent on WoWs... and never will.

[Penguin_mafia]

The only thing I see people in NA complain about when it comes to being treated unfarily compared to us is that we get premiums first most of the time. 

We might get shafted when it comes to the big events like arp and project R, we might miss out entirely on sets of very good missions (like the set of missions NA got around Halloween, one of which gave 200% XP and could be done five times a day.) but at least WG EU lets us spend our money first on overpriced pixels that cost the same as a full game like civ 6 right.....right?

[Fino_93]

Guys, i don't like the situation just like you but please stop blaming wg, she's only apply the economical strategies to get the best reward, if you they are different in EU it's just cause we are different clients (stupider clients if you ask me, but that's another matter)

[daniyyel]

First of all, please consider that this mission is running for 2! entire months and only requires 50 victories. Even with a very bad winrate that is essentially only 2 games per day.

 

Since the Takao is essentially an Atago, a very capable and fun tier VIII ship I think it is fair enough of us to make sure that the players getting the ship will know how to handle it. If you can earn a tier VIII ship just by playing tier VI ships then there is a danger of many Takaos popping up at tier VIII with captains who don't know how to handle them or the different meta. That wouldn't be fun for the players themselves, or the people on their team.

I'm sorry but I don't see the logic in this.

So... you don't want a player that plays t5-t7 to get a t8 ship because he is crap and does not know how to play it. OK, lets say you are right. So, to get this not easy to play ship, you force the same player to get in t9's and t10's ? Did you actually think for one minute what t9 and t10 games will look for the next 2 months ? With all the people that never played a t9-t10 but they do now because hey... I want my Takao...

I don't have a t9 ship but I will make everything I can to get one. I will get one ! I have a t8 ship, I did not like the game style in t8-t10's and I stopped playing it. But now, in a few days/weeks I will play t9's and t10's. Yes, this is way better, I will for sure know how to play this t9 ship and I will for sure be helping my team. Unless... you force me to play a tier that I don't like in a ship in don't like and the only thing I need is the victory. It doesn't matter how crap I am in it, I just need the victory. Yes, I wonder how will this go for the next 2 months... Sorry high tiers players, we, the low tier noobs, are coming !

 

 

I'll make sure to get you guys an official answer on this tomorrow, its a public holiday in France so most people are out of the office.

Thank you for answering another question I had. So this crap decision was not taken by the WG HQ but was taken by WG Europe. Good to know.

[Diminios]

Guys, i don't like the situation just like you but please stop blaming wg, she's only apply the economical strategies to get the best reward, if you they are different in EU it's just cause we are different clients (stupider clients if you ask me, but that's another matter)

 

So... because we in the EU are idiots WG EU is forced to have different events?

[Fino_93]

 

So... because we in the EU are idiots WG EU is forced to have different events?

 

it's not forced, but why give the same event to everyone when EU tipical reaction is complaining on the forum and spend money instead of the more logical "i'm p122ed off so i'll stop giving my money at you"?

 

"Oh my god I need a t9 ship to get takao! I'm really p122ed of and i will write it on the forum, but before i need to buy premium account so i can get the t9 ship i need for the mission!" 

 

"Oh my god, this meta in raked sucks, the only good t8 cruisers are premium, I would love the having the takao like in the other servers but on my they aren't giving it to us for now; i'm a bit p122ed  off but i can solve this buying the atago"

 

"Oh my god, my loved british line is crap too divergent from the tipical cruiser style, i'm p122ed off but i will solve this buying a belfast"

 

That's the simple point, just read the forum and you start notice how many people complains about things (not specifically takao mission, but other tipical WG EU things) but "admit" that they are giving money to the company, sometimes you also find topics by people that starts with something like "I'm p122ed of about WG EU, i keep giving them my money and now they...".

 

Obviously, I can't be sure that on the other servers the things are so different but i find more logical that WG is simply doing its job like every other company than that a company with 2800 workers and more than 15 years of life simply hate EU people...

[Tile92]

guys we have to acept that we wil not get the takao just because we have not unlocked tier IX  but from player prospective is it not the same deal like when u start play the game for a first time and buy  tier VIII premium ship from very start so those ppl already know how to play it  or what  no offence to those who spend money but i just dont know what think anymore  like i said they dont want us to have takao with tier VIII  ships just because it will  effect matchmaking like on russian server they played ranked battles with takaos  correct me if im wrong

[Z_OnkelE]

i think that explains all.

see this red tiny piece of devastation

 

Why do you think this is the experience for many, many players on T9+? Notser pictured the general T9+ matches in a similarly painful way. For me the last two days were outliers, too. But there must be an understandable reason why for high tiers all of a sudden everyone ends up in matches they don't enjoy. Or a reason why all of a sudden there are players sailing the most potent ships in the game but some kind of switch turned off their capabilities to play the same way they did on T8 and below...

[Kuroyama]

Oh well..... going to throw my 5 Cents in..... so that this thread is becoming longer

 

I´m also of the opinion that T9 is not fair.

Regarding their reasoning of ensuring that the Takaos are played skillfull..... That´s BS. Where´s the difference between sucking in a bought, won or standart T8?

 

As for the other requirements of Events in General.... they mostly [edited] up the gameplay, as one concentrates solely on kills, fires, etc.

The Base-XP from the NA is kinda good, as one can continue in his/her own play-style, and gets a bit Progress even when picking the short straw of the loosing Team.

 

For me it´s propably not manageble to clear this Mission..... for I haven´t concentrated on one line and have after 1year+ only one T8 (an almost stock Mogami, which lacks in my opinion all the Qualities of the Myoko so far) and to go to T9 without paying for it ..... well, then there´s at least a month gone for me.

 

And for all those who think that T9 is unfair, and haven´t seen the other thread yet, please vote:

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/65570-arp-takao-mission/

[_FTD_]

Oh they are giving you something for "free" and all you have to do is play the game? Definitely worthy to moan about. 

 

[Jethro_Grey]

While i'm all for server equality in Events and Premium sales, i think that having the requirement for the Takao set to Tier IX is a very good idea.

This time, it's not EU [edited]-up but of the other servers. There's one thing i have WG EU to blame for, more on that later.

 

Handing out free TVIII ships - which can seeTX - to every noob in the game is a recipe for desaster.

Considering how many oxygenwasters already play in the higher tiers...yeah, we don't need more of them.

 

So, now a lot of oxygen wasters free XP their way into TIX - if they haven't done aleady - and increase the number of bad players.

And that's the part, where i have to blame WG EU for: the mission requirements for the Takao aren't steep enough!

 

 

[ElrogGA]

Considering how many oxygenwasters already play in the higher tiers...yeah, we don't need more of them.

 

That's racist

[it3llig3nc3]

There are many issues with this Takao mission, but overall I see two major points that disturb most of the playerbase:

 

1. Severe disparity of terms between the different regions/servers are requirement to get the exact same thing. And to be hones this is goes very deep in WG's strategy as a company is it takes MORE resources (development) to implement different missions for different regions than to make just one. So it is fully 100% intentional!

 

2. It is an interesting situation that WG makes a Premium ship available to get "for free". - however Atago and Takao won't be exactly the same as Atago can still be used more widely (i.e. train captains for any IJN ships) and I believe also that the fact that ARP ships does not get the option to put special CAMO on them will make Takao a bit less appealing....

 

These two messages from WG to the community tells us that customers are not treated equally fairly and also that items in the game available for hard money can be easily devaluated.

None of these messages are good.

 

[Mobius_Einherjar]

Oh they are giving you something for "free" and all you have to do is play the game? Definitely worthy to moan about. 

 

*sigh*

It's pretty baffling to see the lack of comprehension and critical thinking of some people. Listen: The ARP missions are part of a collaboration between WG and Arpeggio's copyrights owner. WG is not giving those away to be nice guys, they get something for it. What "it" is I have no idea as I'm not privy to the details of the deal, but WG aren't being philanthropists here, so the whole "it's free so you have no reason to complain" is a terrible argument that needs to go away.

 

And even if it was, there would still be ground for complains as other servers also gets those freebies but have to put far less efforts in order to get them. Why should people have to put significantly more efforts simply because of their nationalities? Why should we be accepting of that? It makes no [edited]sense, and it's most definitely not fair. Add to this the fact that this isn't the first time that WG EU has crapthe bed on these kinds of issues, and it should be pretty easy to see why those complains exists.

 

And finally, even with all those things aside, it doesn't change the fact that the missions themselves are pretty terrible from a gameplay design perspective and that we're missing content.

 

The complaints about the events are perfectly justified, and one sentence long attempt at dismissing them isn't going to invalidate them. 

 

There was a question posed why should I assume 25% winrate at tier9?

Yeah, well, its not far off the mark. Yesterday, 13 wins at tier 9 and 10 out of 32 games.

Today? I've done 22 games so far, I've won  twice in my hindenburg and most games I'm doing 2-3 kills, 110k+ damage. I've had teams melt in 3mins, I've had 5vs5 dds and 4 dds dead within 2mins. I've had camping BBs sit at the back and COMPLETELY IGNORE caps or even look at the minimap.

Why in the **** was this made a tier 9 mission to get a TIER 8 SHIP? To many inexperienced players in the takao? Go ****ing play higher tier games right now and tell me how many STUPID people are playing and seem to have completely lost the concept of minimap awareness or even know how to play the game anymore after 8-9 previous tiers.

You think I'm pissed? I am. I'm stressed completely out from trying to complete this mission because WG EU has their heads up their arses when they made this event citing "we looked at our demograph of players" to make a event. This event is so unbelievable stressful that it makes me want to sell my tier 9s and 10s and not even bother with this bloody mission whatsoever. Screw having the the complete collection, its killing my will to even play this game.

I also just think of the people who don't play as much as me, might not play as good, might not even have tier 9 ships whatsoever, I feel sorry for them, I truly do because this entire event smacks of imcompotence to properly make a event FUN.

Do you know what FUN is WG EU? Do you know WHY people play games? To have FUN.

I ain't having "FUN".
Period.

 

My experience has been somewhat similar. 6 games to get 5 wins on the first day, 13 games to get the same amount of wins the second. The quality of games seems to have taken a nosedive, hopefully today will be better.

[Bellegar]

So MrConway, where is our promised statement? You're a day late

Are you guys really that oblivious to forum rage? I really don't understand your way of thinking.

[Panocek]

So MrConway, where is our promised statement? You're a day late

Are you guys really that oblivious to forum rage? I really don't understand your way of thinking.

 

You say like EU care about anything.

[Tubit101]

While i'm all for server equality in Events and Premium sales, i think that having the requirement for the Takao set to Tier IX is a very good idea.

This time, it's not EU [edited]-up but of the other servers. There's one thing i have WG EU to blame for, more on that later.

 

Handing out free TVIII ships - which can seeTX - to every noob in the game is a recipe for desaster.

Considering how many oxygenwasters already play in the higher tiers...yeah, we don't need more of them.

 

So, now a lot of oxygen wasters free XP their way into TIX - if they haven't done aleady - and increase the number of bad players.

And that's the part, where i have to blame WG EU for: the mission requirements for the Takao aren't steep enough!

 

 

 

Mr. Conway tried to use this argument as well, and later admitted he was wrong. Why? Because asking people to play a higher tier before they are allowed to play a ship one tier lower is ridiculous. The entire game revolves around gaining experience with a lower tier ship before moving on to the next one. This is the fundamental mechanic. WG already breaks this by allowing absolutely anyone to buy the Atago and sail around in top tier matches from day one.

 

But now you're coming here saying that it's necessary for people to play tier nine before they can play tier eight? I can only ask you the same I did Mr Conway; are you even believing yourself when you claim that? I can only see this as a case of people going to insane lengths in order to defend a very poorly thought out decision by WG. It is like you're incapable of seeing this situation with any nuances to it what so ever.

 

Yes, the T6 requirement is low. But it doesn't inflict any lasting problems compared to outright buying the Atago as a complete newbie. So what's the big deal? There is no problem here that WG  didn't already create themselves. This is simply a case of WG EU being more greedy than other regions, despite having a better paying customer base.

[daniyyel]

Oh they are giving you something for "free" and all you have to do is play the game? Definitely worthy to moan about. 

 

It's not about that, at least for me, I "moan" because the requirements are stupid, they do not encourage the players to play better.

Looking on your profile, I get that you play high tier games. Now imagine all the "fun" you will have in the next 2 months when we, all the low tier n00b players, get into t9-t10 ships, we have no idea how to play them, we just want to get the Takao. Aaaaand some of us will be in the same team with you. Also it's the same for the green Myoko, t8 is required. Kill steals ftw ! Carry us senpai !

[redraven]

While i'm all for server equality in Events and Premium sales, i think that having the requirement for the Takao set to Tier IX is a very good idea.

This time, it's not EU [edited]-up but of the other servers. There's one thing i have WG EU to blame for, more on that later.

 

Handing out free TVIII ships - which can seeTX - to every noob in the game is a recipe for desaster.

Considering how many oxygenwasters already play in the higher tiers...yeah, we don't need more of them.

 

So, now a lot of oxygen wasters free XP their way into TIX - if they haven't done aleady - and increase the number of bad players.

And that's the part, where i have to blame WG EU for: the mission requirements for the Takao aren't steep enough!

 

 

 

And thats exactly the problem. They are forcing people to play higher tier ships than the reward is. If the Takao mission could be done with t8 ship we wouldnt hav that many "oxygen wasters" in higher tiers. In fact we would see less because the increased number of t8 players would result in a lot of t8 max battles and  lot less would go to the t9-10 mm.

[Tubit101]

Oh they are giving you something for "free" and all you have to do is play the game? Definitely worthy to moan about. 

 

I see you've thought long and hard about this

[Panocek]

 

I see you've thought long and hard about this

 

And you think ranting about "unfair" treatment will change anything?

[SirDave_1]

It would be nice to hear from MrConway, but the chances are he has been told he cant talk about it. This is very frustrating but not really his fault , assuming thats the case of course. Still hope we hear something today. While the Takao mission is not problematic for me I do take exception at the treatment that EU Seems to get from wargaming, it is seemingly arbitrary although I might be missing something. Its also a real shame that people dont have a T9 or 10 and dont have time to grind one out are gonna miss out especially people that are fans of the anime.