Tako finally hitting the EU server

[Loran_Battle]

 

Same issue for Kongo here. No credits were added.

 

I didn't get any credits nor a port slot either. Not sure if I got the captain slot either. There were NO notifications about it. If this is a bug, since some people report getting something, then I might send in a ticket...

[BaronMannerheim]

Don't kill me but I find fair Takao reward for Tier9-10 mission, I mean... it's a free Tier8 Ship!!

Of course if you think that you can start playing World Of Warships now and accomplish the mission in a pair of months it's definitely impossible. You have to regard ARP missions as a reward for long time playing people: if you can't afford them then no problem, you'll maybe have another chance next time.

 

I just find discriminating the difference between EU server and ASIA server: in my point of view all servers have to adopt EU server ARP-Missions standard.

[LilJumpa]

Don't kill me but I find fair Takao reward for Tier9-10 mission, I mean... it's a free Tier8 Ship Copy of the arguably best T8 Premium Cruiser in the game!!

Of course if you think that you can start playing World Of Warships now and accomplish the mission in a pair of months it's definitely impossible. You have to regard ARP missions as a reward for long time playing people: if you can't afford them then no problem, you'll maybe have another chance next time.

 

I just find discriminating the difference between EU server and ASIA server: in my point of view all servers have to adopt EU server ARP-Missions standard.

#this with the slight correction

 

I like the requirements and actually have to grin about people monaning about "boring high tier " and the T9 requirement, having played ~700 games since beta

[MatJan]

Don't kill me but I find fair Takao reward for Tier9-10 mission, I mean... it's a free Tier8 Ship!!

Of course if you think that you can start playing World Of Warships now and accomplish the mission in a pair of months it's definitely impossible. You have to regard ARP missions as a reward for long time playing people: if you can't afford them then no problem, you'll maybe have another chance next time.

 

I just find discriminating the difference between EU server and ASIA server: in my point of view all servers have to adopt EU server ARP-Missions standard.

 

It is supposedly THE last time you can get ARP ship so after that no more ARP missions nothing. If you don't get it now you don't get it at all.

And it's not abut people who just started, it's about people who simply don't have tier 9 yet or don't enjoy playing tiers 9/10 due to economy and general gameplay.

this mission forces them to do it, forces them to rely mostly on their own team to win the game so they can get 50 wins(in case of Takao mission).

 

And no they don't in regards to missions and special events all servers should have same requirements and promotions as in the 'mother' server which is RU server.

[LilJumpa]

 

It is supposedly THE last time you can get ARP ship so after that no more ARP missions nothing. If you don't get it now you don't get it at all.

 

Source for this? Is that an official statement because I cannot recall that, although I don't follow the ARP news tbh.

[eliastion]

 

Source for this? Is that an official statement because I cannot recall that, although I don't follow the ARP news tbh.

 

The event callendar:

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/65406-event-calendar-november/page__pid__1396508#entry1396508

 

Specifically, the first entry:

01 November - 01 January: LAST HURRAH OF THE ARP

• Our year with Arpeggio of Blue Steel is coming to an end
• To that end we are unpacking the highest tier ARP ship we are going to have - The Takao
• At the same time, we want to give you a chance to catch up with ARP ships in case you missed some during the year

 

[Tubit101]

I think it is fantastic that the tier requirement is 9, let me remind you that the reward is a very powerful T8 cruiser, yet it is only powerful if you know what the hell you are doing.

 

The T9 requirement instead of T6 filters off a lot of noobs and I think this is good. I forsee a lot of whinging and moaning about idiots sailing Takao and shitting up T8-T10 games coming from the US forums. It's going to be meme-level bad since every Joe, Jimmy and Bobby will have one (the players which already knew how powerful the Atago is and knows how to use it will already have one). It's going to be fun to watch here from the safety of EU, that's for sure.

 

Sorry lads, I don't want you to sail a T8 cruiser if you haven't even reached that tier yet. If you haven't reached T9 in any line you most certainly haven't played enough T8 to understand how to use a ship like the Atago/Takao. If you are on my team you will get wrecked, if you are on the enemy team you will get wrecked, it would be no fun for you - only for the guys shooting at you. Trust me.

 

Stop whining. If you cannot get this mission done easily, then it's not for you, and it's for the better. You can be mad all you want that you cannot drive your weeb waifu around or whatever, from a gameplay perspective it's still a Atago and the impact it will have on T8 matches if it's driven by inexperienced players is going to be bad.

 

Furthermore, it also makes people play more high tier matches. Yay.

 

Edit: Wording.

 

I'm sorry, but this is BS. First of all, there is a lot of complaints about T10 players not knowing what the hell they are doing. Setting the requirements for a ship one tier higher than the actual ship itself is ridiculous. There is no defending that past the notion that fewer players should get it. This is a requirement three tiers above the other regions.

 

WG Europe chose to to this for one reason they don't want to commit to this because they want to sell more Atago premium ships. Meanwhile they are lying to long time customer's face with other excuses. It is ridiculous that people can't participate in an event for a T8 ship just because they don't want to play T9 which is infested with cowardly players and expensive repair bills.

 

Until WG EU get their act together, I will be playing and paying on my American account. I encourage any other dissatisfied player to do the same. Playing on an American account is easy. Simply download the game from the NA webpage. Install and enjoy your time on a server that isn't trying it's best to make your WoWs experience worse than it needs to be.

 

In fact, there has been a lot of players already moving to the NA server. There is plenty of European players already active.

[ulcusrodens]

i really hope they're going to change the requisites... i didn't focus on some line, and so i almost just begun playing tier 8... i'm halfway through the hipper so technically i could even get to tier 9, but still feels forced.

too bad, i have an Atago, i don't even know what that ARP stuff is, but those ships look delightfully ignorant, and i'm starting to collect them!

[ulcusrodens]

Don't kill me but I find fair Takao reward for Tier9-10 mission, I mean... it's a free Tier8 Ship!!

Of course if you think that you can start playing World Of Warships now and accomplish the mission in a pair of months it's definitely impossible. You have to regard ARP missions as a reward for long time playing people: if you can't afford them then no problem, you'll maybe have another chance next time.

 

I just find discriminating the difference between EU server and ASIA server: in my point of view all servers have to adopt EU server ARP-Missions standard.

 

there's nothing wrong in making things difficult, but tier 9 is too high a requisite for a tier 8 ship. of course mainly because i haven't got any tier 9 ship...

[LilJumpa]

 

I'm sorry, but this is BS. First of all, there is a lot of complaints about T10 players not knowing what the hell they are doing. Setting the requirements for a ship one tier higher than the actual ship itself is ridiculous. There is no defending that past the notion that fewer players should get it. This is a requirement three tiers above the other regions.

 

WG Europe chose to to this for one reason they don't want to commit to this because they want to sell more Atago premium ships. Meanwhile they are lying to long time customer's face with other excuses. It is ridiculous that people can't participate in an event for a T8 ship just because they don't want to play T9 which is infested with cowardly players and expensive repair bills.

 

Until WG EU get their act together, I will be playing and paying on my American account. I encourage any other dissatisfied player to do the same. Playing on an American account is easy. Simply download the game from the NA webpage. Install and enjoy your time on a server that isn't trying it's best to make your WoWs experience worse than it needs to be.

 

In fact, there has been a lot of players already moving to the NA server. There is plenty of European players already active.

 

Made me laugh. Thank you.

For someone who doesn't even own a T9 ship (oh..... what a pity for Takao) you have profound knowledge about T9 gameplay and the playerbase there ^^

 

You could also delete your EU account (someone already said he would do that ') and show some balls and back up your statements. But please keep ranting on the forums. Always hilarious.

[Komaaz]

 

there's nothing wrong in making things difficult, but tier 9 is too high a requisite for a tier 8 ship. of course mainly because i haven't got any tier 9 ship...

 

It's not a random T8, it's a clone of one of the most OP Premium.

[Earl_of_Northesk]

 

I'm sorry, but this is BS. First of all, there is a lot of complaints about T10 players not knowing what the hell they are doing. Setting the requirements for a ship one tier higher than the actual ship itself is ridiculous. There is no defending that past the notion that fewer players should get it. This is a requirement three tiers above the other regions.

 

WG Europe chose to to this for one reason they don't want to commit to this because they want to sell more Atago premium ships. Meanwhile they are lying to long time customer's face with other excuses. It is ridiculous that people can't participate in an event for a T8 ship just because they don't want to play T9 which is infested with cowardly players and expensive repair bills.

 

Until WG EU get their act together, I will be playing and paying on my American account. I encourage any other dissatisfied player to do the same. Playing on an American account is easy. Simply download the game from the NA webpage. Install and enjoy your time on a server that isn't trying it's best to make your WoWs experience worse than it needs to be.

 

In fact, there has been a lot of players already moving to the NA server. There is plenty of European players already active.

 

They mostly go there for sealclubbing tbh, because the average player on US is distinctivly worse than on EU...

[Tubit101]

No real counterarguments what so ever, as expected. Do keep bumping the thread, though. Personally I find people who defend WG EU's behavior tooth-and-claw for no particular reason hilarious.

[Morgan_Gorgoroth]

So we have ppl getting credits and ppl who don't.

 

Would be awesome if MrConway could tell us about this.

[Mobius_Einherjar]

 

I never post on these forums but in this case I feel I have to speak out about this whole thing.

 

First, I have to ask: where are the Yotarou, Iona and Gunzou captains? This is apparently the final ARP event, yet they are nowhere to be seen in Europe.

 

As far as the missions themselves are concerned... Honestly, this is a clusterfuck.

• Takao: Who even thought that it was a good idea to have such a high tier requirement? It punishes players who might've joined more recently and might not have reached T9 yet but have experience at T8, or those who might be grinding multiple lines simultaneously, or those who straight up dislike T9+ games and prefer stopping at T8 (there's a lot of players like those), or those who don't have the funds to play 75-100+ games at T9+. It's especially absurd considering that Takao herself is T8. You say that it's to avoid inexperienced players from flooding high tier games, but you've never put any requirements on the purchase of Tirpitz, Saipan or Atagao herself for example. 
• Nachi: Oh god this mission is so cancer. "Kill [X] [number] of times" is such a terrible requirement for missions, and this for various reasons. First, it encourages KS instead of teamplay which is obviously terrible. Second and probably even worse, it's mostly out of the player's hands because it's completely dependent on MM RNG. If you need to sink Soviet ships but there isn't one in your current game, then said game is a complete waste of your time because no matter what you do you cannot progress that mission any further. And again, why T8 for a T7 ship?
• The other missions: So much grind. The secondaries mission is terrible for anyone who don't own a T7+ IJN or German BB and straight up [edited]cruisers/DDs/CVs players over. Same thing for the 200 torpedo hits mission, not everyone enjoys using torpedoes or is skilled with them. Forcing players into specific playstyles/classes is a terrible idea as it brings down the overall quality of games as players are forced to use playstyles they might not enjoy or be comfortable with. Missions should be designed in such a way that people can complete it playing the way they like to. Efforts and enjoyment are not mutually exclusive.

All of this is already bad when taken in a vacuum, but to add insult to injury EU is the only server which has to deal with such absurd requirements. It's been said before that missions on different servers takes the demographics into account, but just what kind of demographics do you think the EU server has? Masochists? Because let me correct that misconception right now if that's the case: I for one do not enjoy poorly designed missions, and I most certainly do not enjoy being treated as the retard stepchild and getting shafted for no reason whatsoever. I'll pass on the abuse, thank you very much. You guys really need to start working together with other clusters to make the events global and fair to everyone, because as it stands it's incredibly frustrating to feel like you're the abused child of the family and it really leaves a sour taste in the mouth around both the event and the game itself. Seeing this kind of continued mistreatment of the EU player base makes me want to be less involved with the game, not more.

 

 

And before someone inevitably turns this into ad hominems, "git gud" and other such messages: I have Yamato and Izumo, I own Atago and I've cleared all the past ARP events. I'll be able to clear this one too, but that certainly doesn't mean that I don't have criticism to make. And no, I won't "just leave if you don't like it", because I want things to improve. The last thing we need right now is people staying silent over the unfair treatment of the EU player base when compared to other servers.

 

[Tubit101]

So we have ppl getting credits and ppl who don't.

 

Would be awesome if MrConway could tell us about this.

 

"Getting credits"? What do you mean?

[kfa]

 

"Getting credits"? What do you mean?

I heard that you dont get the silver for unlocking the same ARP ships that you already own.

[xsmilingbanditx]

Well, do not get me wrong. I think events are a great Idea and I appreciate the possibility to get free ships. So thanks for that in advance.

 

Well now here come the "buts" and gripes I do have with these events as a whole on the EU Server. First off, T9 requirement is ... meh. It surely "feels" discriminating. My Main gripe with the missions is the promotion of "bad" play and randomness. While "doing x amount of damage" and "gain x amount of XP" are ok and somewhat deterministic  (though boring), the other missions are not. Torpedo hits...seriously? Killing x ships of n nations? Honestly? While in the first cases you always make small steps towards the goals, you do not in the latter. You are dependent on your team (winning), on RNG (Torpedo hits, fires, citadels) or just hurt your team because 5 BBs fire a full salvo at a 20hp target to just get that one last kill. Put that into the current bad economy and meta (toxic Chat, useless cruisers mostly...) and you get alot of bad games ahead of you. This is because the missions do not come "naturally" by playing the game. 

This is what should be thought about when designing events.

"Does the mission go well with the "natural" gameplay?

If not, change it. If it's too RNG, change it. Otherwise it's just too frustrating for people.

[krazypenguin]

 

"Getting credits"? What do you mean?

 

He means that some people are reporting that when they complete a mission for an ARP ship which they already have they get the credit value of the ship added to the account but some people who also have the ARP ship and complete the mission report that they do not get the credit value of the ship added to their account.

 

Some people get the credit value of the ship, others don't .   Apparently.

[LilJumpa]

No real counterarguments what so ever, as expected. Do keep bumping the thread, though. Personally I find people who defend WG EU's behavior tooth-and-claw for no particular reason hilarious.

 

I didn't read any arguments in the post i quoted. So nothing to counter. Mobious Einherjar made a solid post with arguments. Learn from it.

 

Defending WG and laughing about stupid rage posts is a difference btw.

Takao (as implemented) is still the copy of the best premium cruiser worth 35-40 €. I actually think the other servers made a mistake using such low requirements. Or Lesta made a mistake giving it the heal ability.

[Diminios]

 

Made me laugh. Thank you.

For someone who doesn't even own a T9 ship (oh..... what a pity for Takao) you have profound knowledge about T9 gameplay and the playerbase there ^^

 

You could also delete your EU account (someone already said he would do that ') and show some balls and back up your statements. But please keep ranting on the forums. Always hilarious.

 

You do know that you can get into T9/T10 matches with T7/T8 ships, right?

[Earl_of_Northesk]

No real counterarguments what so ever, as expected. Do keep bumping the thread, though. Personally I find people who defend WG EU's behavior tooth-and-claw for no particular reason hilarious.

 

There's nothing to counter, just you whining. I agree we should have unified events, but thinking NA has it better is laughable.

They complain all day because they never get their ARP stuff, they always get premiums last and other things. Every server thinks it is treted unfairly.

[Earl_of_Northesk]

 

You do know that you can get into T9/T10 matches with T7/T8 ships, right?

 

Tbh, that's not the same. I thought so once as well, but I got taught a lesson. Being top tier in a high tier battle, either as a T9 or T10, requires quite a different skill set then just sailing a long as a low tier ship with relatively smaller influence on the game.

[Tubit101]

 

I didn't read any arguments in the post i quoted. So nothing to counter. Mobious Einherjar made a solid post with arguments. Learn from it.

 

Defending WG and laughing about stupid rage posts is a difference btw.

Takao (as implemented) is still the copy of the best premium cruiser worth 35-40 €. I actually think the other servers made a mistake making such low requirements. Or Lesta made a mistake giving it the heal ability.

 

Eh, you can call it "rage posts" all you want. When somebody disagrees with you it's "rage" and when they don't it's not, right? Arguing that requirements on the other servers are low doesn't justify setting it far too high on this region. This only underlines the problems WG has with mismanaging their regional offices. Instead of being decent and owning up to their actions, WG EU are rubbing their customers faces in missions with distasteful disproportion - and have been for a very long time. I find it funny how you just accept being shafted like that. But that is of course up to you. The unprofessional way Mr. Conway responded to this issue hasn't been particularly impressive either.

 

Apparently it's aggravating to some that people are pointing this out and they resort to reacting with posts that aren't useful to anyone. That is a shame, but it helps the thread going.

[Bellegar]

 

I can't actually tell you the exact reason why we have different requirements, this is my personal take on the situation.

 

I'll make sure to get you guys an official answer on this tomorrow, its a public holiday in France so most people are out of the office.

 

 

I know that there are quite a few complaints coming in about the difference in requirements for this mission, but really I think that our solution was the correct way to go here.

 

First of all, please consider that this mission is running for 2! entire months and only requires 50 victories. Even with a very bad winrate that is essentially only 2 games per day.

 

Since the Takao is essentially an Atago, a very capable and fun tier VIII ship I think it is fair enough of us to make sure that the players getting the ship will know how to handle it. If you can earn a tier VIII ship just by playing tier VI ships then there is a danger of many Takaos popping up at tier VIII with captains who don't know how to handle them or the different meta. That wouldn't be fun for the players themselves, or the people on their team.

So you're saying that a T9 CV player has better knowledge how to play Takao than a T8 CA player?

 

I'm starting to feel sorry for b*tching to you all the time, I have nothing against you personally. But really, none of what you said (WG, again, nothing against you personally) makes sense. You say A and do B. You say you want experienced players only in Takao, but at the same time you sell Atago to a guy that has played 1 T1 game. In the Q&A thread, you said that you want to create each event to the wishes of each server. Do you not read all the rage? If that was true, you should have server equality.

 

As it stands, there are two issues here:

- raising the tier requirement for Takao to disproportionate levels: T9 is simply too high. Every ARP ship required it's own tier to collect, but now you change. We don't want T6+, just T8+ which would be fair

- again the higher demands for EU server: why do we need T9+ where the rest of the world needs only T6+? Why do we get a chance to get all ships and the rest of the world doesn't? Don't get me wrong, that is really nice to give a chance to gets ships people missed the first time, but other servers will be angry because they don't get that. All the while we are angry because other servers have it much easier to get Takao. So all you do is induce rage, you make your players (some of them are paying customers!) angry.

 

We want to know why. And seeing that you didn't make this decision yourself, could you get the person over here that did? I'm sorry if I sound rude, but I don't trust your passing feedback capabilities anymore.