Japanese DD tech tree changes

[Yankmyplank]

The long range torps are going to be nerfed on the higher tiered IJN destroyers, apparently to stop "spam and hope" which for the most part is what all DD's do with torps. What are WG going to do to compensate the ijn DD's as they are outranged out gunned, out maneuvered and the slowest turrets in the game?  

 

Is it the intention of WG to simply make players abandon the ijn DD's altogether as the only DD that can use guns efficiently, will be the new tier 8, and half the cruisers can catch up with an ijn DD so if torps are nerfed whats the point of having one?

 

I am half way through the Kagero and at the moment, wondering if it is even worth finishing?

[Elenortirion]

And another for you, I launched twice at a Nagato (6.5KM then 6.3KM) and he detected and dodged both salvo's. I ended up suicide charging to 3.2KM and launching spread. He managed to dodge all but one. I then tried to torp a Bayern, only to have him dodge one spread at 4.8KM and a second at 2.8KM.

Yes, such mighty power.

 

dunno how you are launching yer torps but from this distances I rarely miss(ed) with my mutsuki [past tense because I sold her to get kagerou because takao mission and all in vein as they have changed it to t8 xD [mission that is]

[Yankmyplank]

 

dunno how you are launching yer torps but from this distances I rarely miss(ed) with my mutsuki [past tense because I sold her to get kagerou because takao mission and all in vein as they have changed it to t8 xD [mission that is]

 

from Kagero I launched at 8km 100% side on to a Montana, he did not know I was anywhere near, both sets of torps launched each 1 sert half in front the other half behind marker to cover a wide area, he saw them and simply stopped missing all. If a ship has all detection upgrades and commander too even the least detected torps get spotted early enough. Another time its a 1 salvo kill.

[Yankmyplank]

It has to be like that. Spot other DDs for your team, engage them. once they are dead you can go for BBs and farm damage.

 

 

if your in an IJN DD and you spot USA DD, unless its on low health or you can torp it, just spot otherwise its superior firepower will rip you in seconds

[Capra76]

 

if your in an IJN DD and you spot USA DD, unless its on low health or you can torp it, just spot otherwise its superior firepower will rip you in seconds

 

Keep the distance at > 7 km and you can engage and win, but that said if somebody else can kill him why give away your position and risk taking damage?

[Elenortirion]

 

from Kagero I launched at 8km 100% side on to a Montana, he did not know I was anywhere near, both sets of torps launched each 1 sert half in front the other half behind marker to cover a wide area, he saw them and simply stopped missing all. If a ship has all detection upgrades and commander too even the least detected torps get spotted early enough. Another time its a 1 salvo kill.

 

what are you using - 20km torps?

montana is uncapable of stopping this fast if you were using 10km ones of type f3....

 

unless she was already slowing down at the point of launch and you haven't noticed it

 

[on the other hand if you were launching wide spread he could get lucky to stop in one of those gaps that can fit a broadsde BB....

[Fino_93]

 

what are you using - 20km torps?

montana is uncapable of stopping this fast if you were using 10km ones of type f3....

 

unless she was already slowing down at the point of launch and you haven't noticed it

 

[on the other hand if you were launching wide spread he could get lucky to stop in one of those gaps that can fit a broadsde BB....

 

 

Well, can't speak for t9/10 but in ranked i noticed that a bismark/tirpitz/amagi is still able to Dodge fubu best torps, shooted at almost 90° and with TA just turning when they became spotted, even a North Carolina can just escape this situation with only one Torpedo hit, and i am not talking about a single case but about a situation that i have noticed and analized in different matches.

 

 

i think that is a similar situation just 1/2 tier below and i think It isn't balanced that a BB can go through the mal alone, without charging direction and Speed and still avoid to die, it's like if a cruiser that gave it's broadside to an enemy BB below 10kms would have the time to avoid shells pressing the A/D button After that the BB had shoot or if a DD that had been spotted at close distance by a cruiser would have time to escape from incoming shells/radar/hydro.

 

[ThePurpleSmurf]

I have not read everything about the new IJN DDs, so i have probably missed if there was a discussion about this already. Anyway, i wonder how this split affects the current competitive gameplay. A while ago there were only Bensons in competitive matches, then more and more Fubukis showed up and it appeared to be a very good DD choice for competitive matches but with the IJN DD split the Fubuki will move to T6 and the new T8 will be the weaker Kagero. In addition there will be another T8 gunboat-like IJN DD. How does it affect game strategies? Do the new gunboat DDs have better smoke than the current IJN DDs with competitive concealment to make it more equal to the US DD? Will the IJN DDs lose their existence in competitive gameplay?

[Kysmet]

I have not read everything about the new IJN DDs, so i have probably missed if there was a discussion about this already. Anyway, i wonder how this split affects the current competitive gameplay. A while ago there were only Bensons in competitive matches, then more and more Fubukis showed up and it appeared to be a very good DD choice for competitive matches but with the IJN DD split the Fubuki will move to T6 and the new T8 will be the weaker Kagero. In addition there will be another T8 gunboat-like IJN DD. How does it affect game strategies? Do the new gunboat DDs have better smoke than the current IJN DDs with competitive concealment to make it more equal to the US DD? Will the IJN DDs lose their existence in competitive gameplay?

 

That is a good point. The new T8 replacement for the Fubuki is the revised Kagero. Fubuki was played in ranked for torping; something the Kagero is less good at -- it has one torp less in total, 2x4 launcher instead of the 3x3 that the current Fubuki has. The new Kagero is in almost all aspects a downgrade of the current Fubuki; it's only better at havin 2500hp more and 200m better concealment. It has a faster reload on the cannons, but does less damage, so you end up having to do more hits for the same damage. I don't think you'll be appreciated if you bring a Kagero.

 

As for the new Akizuki -- all it brings to the team is better stealth fire and 5K more hp. It has less damage, less torps, less speed, less maneuverability. In a game where there's only 7 people on each side, stealth firing is still useful, but less so, as you give away your general location and don't have the speed to escape once you do. Unless you have several T8s to pick from, i don't see this ship being a good idea.

 

I'm guessing we'll see mostly Bensons next season, assuming it's T8 again.

[Kazomir]

Bensons and whatever the new KM DD Tier 8 is. With that sonar and comparable firepower it will give a benson a run for its money.

[Elenortirion]

 

 

Well, can't speak for t9/10 but in ranked i noticed that a bismark/tirpitz/amagi is still able to Dodge fubu best torps, shooted at almost 90° and with TA just turning when they became spotted, even a North Carolina can just escape this situation with only one Torpedo hit, and i am not talking about a single case but about a situation that i have noticed and analized in different matches.

 

 

i think that is a similar situation just 1/2 tier below and i think It isn't balanced that a BB can go through the mal alone, without charging direction and Speed and still avoid to die, it's like if a cruiser that gave it's broadside to an enemy BB below 10kms would have the time to avoid shells pressing the A/D button After that the BB had shoot or if a DD that had been spotted at close distance by a cruiser would have time to escape from incoming shells/radar/hydro.

 

 

and again which torps do you mean "as best" on fubu? and you you were spreadign them? with fastest 10km variant I had no issues to reliably hit BBs

 

As for the new Akizuki -- all it brings to the team is better stealth fire and 5K more hp. It has less damage, 

 

lol less damage xD

 

and then as I frankly don't really care but I'll likely be bringing akizuki to rankeds, the place where you can hope for teamplay is the best place for her, and it'll be bringing insane DPM and big AAA for these matches where CVs are present hopefully captain skill tree revamp hits before next ranked season.....

 

of course assuming it being t8 for higher leagues. for sure I'll try to be ready with all ships from between t5-t9 just in case

[ThePurpleSmurf]

 

That is a good point. The new T8 replacement for the Fubuki is the revised Kagero. Fubuki was played in ranked for torping; something the Kagero is less good at -- it has one torp less in total, 2x4 launcher instead of the 3x3 that the current Fubuki has. The new Kagero is in almost all aspects a downgrade of the current Fubuki; it's only better at havin 2500hp more and 200m better concealment. It has a faster reload on the cannons, but does less damage, so you end up having to do more hits for the same damage. I don't think you'll be appreciated if you bring a Kagero.

 

As for the new Akizuki -- all it brings to the team is better stealth fire and 5K more hp. It has less damage, less torps, less speed, less maneuverability. In a game where there's only 7 people on each side, stealth firing is still useful, but less so, as you give away your general location and don't have the speed to escape once you do. Unless you have several T8s to pick from, i don't see this ship being a good idea.

 

I'm guessing we'll see mostly Bensons next season, assuming it's T8 again.

 

I was not so much talking about ranked season, but more about the competitive teamplay in leagues and tournaments like the OMC Cup or the Server Clash event.