[N-L-L] peoplescavalry Players 531 posts 12,988 battles Report post #76 Posted October 31, 2016 I find drink has a terrible non RNG effect on my shooting. Maybe this could be your problem? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MiroslavPavkovic Beta Tester 13 posts Report post #77 Posted October 31, 2016 Can't we just focus on bringing ESL to WoWs and stop arguing about RNG? Every ESL game has some kind of RNG (maybe not CS). All other games have RNG... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
passwordistooshort Players 0 posts 115 battles Report post #78 Posted October 31, 2016 what the hell is esl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] Djansolo [HOO] Beta Tester 229 posts 10,834 battles Report post #79 Posted October 31, 2016 If the RNG was only biased from shot to shot then it would even out in the course of one battle and the good player would always beat the bad player. NO It would even out over 1000 shots or more. Its like flipping a coin, try flipping a coin 1000 times, and see how often you will get the same result in streaks. You will be surprised of how long they can be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_FTD_ ∞ Players 908 posts 10,097 battles Report post #80 Posted October 31, 2016 (edited) oh god... one of these again... and here I had hoped that kind of thinking had died out via sheer Darwinism... learn what random means, and then come back... Or, alternatively, take it from someone about to play in the semifinals of the OMC Cup: RNG usually plays very little role in determining the outcome our matches. Skill does - because one of the key factors of skill is to lessen the power RNG has over what you do. lol, I wish I could argue like that without getting slapped by the entire WoWs community for being an as*hole. Edited October 31, 2016 by _FTD_ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #81 Posted October 31, 2016 Pointless argument is pointless My point about "we all have streaks of bad RNG" means: we all go through periods where we *percieve* we are having bad RNG. For example in Gneisenau: In one game I can't hit anything or everything is overpens. Next game I do ridiculous damage and citadel everything even from range. This is what I perceive. Mmmbeer says this is because some games there is an RNG blessing and in others a curse. However. Firstly my perception is wrong. In battle 1 let's say I had 20 salvoes. I get good dispersion in 5 of them but mess up my aim or the enemy WASD hacks. Another 10 are ok dispersion but I manage to slightly miss my aim and get overpens. Then I get 5 great shots in but dispersion is poor and the shells go everywhere. Perception: RNG is trolling me. Next game: 5 shots Have bad dispersion but the enemy moves or I miss. I don't notice the bad dispersion. 10 ok shots but I am lucky or a good aim today and I get a few citadels (best achieved when the enemy WASD hacks into your shots). 5 good dispersion AND this time it's when I aim well. Or when the target is grounded etc. Massive damage. Wow! RNG is being a god to me today! No it isn't. In both games the dispersion and RNG were the same in this example. But the lining up of good shots with good dispersion rather than the other way round completely changes the perception of the same RNG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daki Weekend Tester 1,677 posts 20,223 battles Report post #82 Posted October 31, 2016 I hope the thread will finally get back on topic. I will re-quote myself from another thread: ..... I think that WoWs is very good for ESL & tournaments. Before all those RNG&skill blablabla comments, let me point out that it is all about teamwork. Personal skills come second. Ships come third. Better team wins! Very simple. Hence great for E-sports. As already seen in OMC Cup matches I watched. ..... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #83 Posted October 31, 2016 And my original point is I don't see why a team based esport can't have lots of RNG. Like dice based games which are competitive. Or are esports limited to no RNG like chess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MiroslavPavkovic Beta Tester 13 posts Report post #84 Posted October 31, 2016 There we go, there are lot of RNG in other games, like in BOARD games, you have a dice and you roll it...same like here (its much more complex) but principle is the same... I want ESL World of Warships! Please WG, make some testing ESL to see how will it work! PS: No mods allowed same as WoT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daki Weekend Tester 1,677 posts 20,223 battles Report post #85 Posted October 31, 2016 And my original point is I don't see why a team based esport can't have lots of RNG. Like dice based games which are competitive. Or are esports limited to no RNG like chess. Fully agreed there. However it has very little RNG compared to another popular ESL game from WG: World of Tanks. There you have RNG coming from dispersion, penetration rolls, damage rolls, ammorack... Furthermore, with relatively limited number of shots RNG in WoT is much more prominent compared to WoWs. In WoT you fire say 10-20 shells on average in an ESL match while in WoWs a player fires hundreds of those (so most of RNG evens out). So compared to WoT, WoWs is a chess-like game. No amount of luck will help your team if caught in a bad position. Good strategic planning, communication & execution can compensate any adversities a team might face such as: weaker ships, lower "skill" level of individual players, "bad luck"... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulgarny Sailing Hamster 1,546 posts 3,274 battles Report post #86 Posted October 31, 2016 Try to sell this boring looking game for ESL admins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #87 Posted October 31, 2016 Try to sell this boring looking game for ESL admins I was wondering how long it would take you to show up here and do your usual thing Trollgarny... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulgarny Sailing Hamster 1,546 posts 3,274 battles Report post #88 Posted October 31, 2016 How you manage to spot me here from your smoke cloud? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daki Weekend Tester 1,677 posts 20,223 battles Report post #89 Posted October 31, 2016 Try to sell this boring looking game for ESL admins How you manage to spot me here from your smoke cloud? That is low quality trolling mate even by your standards. Its really growing boring lately, as you are just repeating yourself over and over again. At least try to put in some effort to sound "funny&entertaining" and at least a little bit original. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #90 Posted October 31, 2016 There is the question of whether it's entertaining to watch. I didn't think it would be. Then I watched some OMC games and they were fascinating. I liked Flamu commentary too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SKIDZ] chazwozza Players 1,030 posts Report post #91 Posted October 31, 2016 Skill in a dice rolling game roflmao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #92 Posted October 31, 2016 Skill in a dice rolling game roflmao Yeah. Because games involving dice don't require any skill obviously... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jadefalken Beta Tester, Players 751 posts 10,893 battles Report post #93 Posted October 31, 2016 Sure why not. IF FIFA and Forca works why not World of Warships Its more accepting new games every day Fifa doesn't have RNG dustbins fired from Bismarck's at 20km range devastating you 2 minutes into a game... Because after all German BB's are not over powered.. and they have bad dispersion right?? right?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jadefalken Beta Tester, Players 751 posts 10,893 battles Report post #94 Posted October 31, 2016 There is the question of whether it's entertaining to watch. I didn't think it would be. Then I watched some OMC games and they were fascinating. I liked Flamu commentary too. He was commentating?? or he was doing the typical I carry and all worship me?? I bet he is a good player to watch but his arrogance makes me turn a mile.... Rather watch interesting Streamers who make the game enjoyable and have fun followers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ferry_25 Players 4,392 posts 12,107 battles Report post #95 Posted October 31, 2016 OK. I admit. I'm already at extreme high age. But now the nurse is changing my diaper I can ask. What the hell is ESL??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jadefalken Beta Tester, Players 751 posts 10,893 battles Report post #96 Posted October 31, 2016 OK. I admit. I'm already at extreme high age. But now the nurse is changing my diaper I can ask. What the hell is ESL??? lhttps://www.eslgaming.com/ Esports Leagues. They are used for World of Tanks competitions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Pekoe_Darjeeling Weekend Tester 2,385 posts 10,008 battles Report post #97 Posted October 31, 2016 Can't we just focus on bringing ESL to WoWs and stop arguing about RNG? Every ESL game has some kind of RNG (maybe not CS). All other games have RNG... Game is very slow paced and ng impact is just too big. Detonations, fires, non penetrations or overpenetrations when the ship is broadside to you and should get 100% citadel hits but rng says nope. When you combine those 2 It's too much to call it a competitive game not to mention it's utterly boring to watch. In the end it would be just another failure like world of warplanes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sub_Eleven Players 1,225 posts Report post #98 Posted October 31, 2016 Got a link where I can watch that omc league thinghy? Latest competition I've seen was the supremacy league from the NA server, which was very nice to watch. They really need to enable spectators without the need to suicide at the start of the match, can't be that hard to implement right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #99 Posted October 31, 2016 Flamu posted a few rounds on YouTube. I want to see more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #100 Posted October 31, 2016 Got a link where I can watch that omc league thinghy? https://www.twitch.tv/odemmortis/videos/all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
