Whats your take on the Russians being added before the British in WOWS ?

[Zenith]

My take on it? Russian pride as always, totally expected. Can't wait to see how frakked the balance will be once the mighty Soviet navy is in the game, no doubt it will be WoT all over again. 

 

[Takru]

I would prefer the German Navy first, but on the other hand, it's a game and as long as content is coming, I probably won't bother what is coming as long as it's not screwing the game.

 

[rustyfeeder]

Well WG is not strictly Russian company. Its Belarussian company. Russian themselves joke about it. They even have a special name for World of Tanks based on its Belarussian origin.

 

 

 

Whatever fleet comes next - looking forward to it. They did release IJN and USN first. Russia did not play a significant role in naval warfare during World War II. And as you can see from a sketched tech tree it's full of paper ships. We'll see.

[Crooq_Lionfang]

Well, the rumor is that they won't release a full tree next, but in rather short order release single branches of different nations. First RU DDs, then German CAs, then UK... somethings, probably BBs. Then later add a branch here and there to keep people from all regions happy. If that is true (and it may not), I'm all for it. Single branches are done quicker than full trees, or it would be one tree per year or so. 

 

Regarding the decision as a whole as far as the order of nations goes, it's a business decision first and an availability/possibility decision second. RU navy will go a long way in getting more people on the RU servers interested in WoWS, so that's the business part. The other part is access to archives, and with many paper projects it'll be easier and faster to balance the tree as a whole.

 

Oh, and just before I forget:

 

[YukiEiriKun]

Well, the rumor is that they won't release a full tree next, but in rather short order release single branches of different nations. First RU DDs, then German CAs, then UK... somethings, probably BBs. Then later add a branch here and there to keep people from all regions happy. If that is true (and it may not), I'm all for it. Single branches are done quicker than full trees, or it would be one tree per year or so. 

 

Regarding the decision as a whole as far as the order of nations goes, it's a business decision first and an availability/possibility decision second. RU navy will go a long way in getting more people on the RU servers interested in WoWS, so that's the business part. The other part is access to archives, and with many paper projects it'll be easier and faster to balance the tree as a whole.

 

Oh, and just before I forget:

 

 

 

-1 for you, +1 for user that is actually USING THE SEARCH instead of opening new threads. ;-)

[DumbleDerp]

As above +1

[Crooq_Lionfang]

 

-1 for you, +1 for user that is actually USING THE SEARCH instead of opening new threads. ;-)

 

you're right, it's just... I don't care whether a thread is ancient, but I like memes

[_Maou_]

Well sadly because of marketing we get the soviets buut historicaly and etc the RN should be first and by putting same lesser navy before the RN,Kries,Regia etc it's somehow insulting because i find all those navies better with more interesting ships than russian.I came to play this game for at least with some bit of historical accuracy not to play whole lines of russian paper or dream ships -.-.By my opinion RN should come before the Kriegsmarine along with the Regia Marina because only major naval conflict in Europe was with Italy not Germany(except the u-boats).

[knaveofengland]

if you look at the amount of ships England in ww2 we did in fact have the most ships it was only after pearl harbour when the usa start to have more ships also Russia did not come into the war until Germany attacked them so its a bit of hows your father facepalm time .

I would like a few uk lower level premium ships to tide us over until we can have the lot

[Deamon93]

 IMHO it doesnt matter because the game mix all the players by their ship tier and kind not by nationality. I do want to play Italian ships but i do recon that releasing Russia before other nationalities will be good for the player base = €€€€ for WG, which will eventually allow them to develop the other nationalities. 

 

Well you will get Italian ships in the Russian tree(technically Grem is one being designed by Italy). Anyway they worked on the two starting tree at the same time so we can hope they'll do that again making everyone happy(sort of).

 

I lose interest when the initial release is going to be full of fantasy ships, and not just that but OP fantasy ships.

 

 

 

 

 

Leave the fantasy till when the game is old and tired.

 

How do you know they'll be OP? Besides depend on which lines they go for: destroyers and cruisers require limited amount of paper(destroyers will require only Projekt 48/Kiev as tier X above Projekt 20I/Tashkent while the cruisers will require tier VIII and IX above Projekt 68 bis/Sverdlov). Battleships will require paper to compensate the fact that they weren't able to build a fair number of ships(especially during WWI) and CVs well they won't be the only one relying on paper.

 

My take on it? Russian pride as always, totally expected. Can't wait to see how frakked the balance will be once the mighty Soviet navy is in the game, no doubt it will be WoT all over again. 

 

But it WoT it's well deserved since Russian tanks were good for their time. A tank game based on WWII without T-34s, KV-1s, ISs and so on would be weird.

 

Well WG is not strictly Russian company. Its Belarussian company. Russian themselves joke about it. They even have a special name for World of Tanks based on its Belarussian origin.

 

 

 

Whatever fleet comes next - looking forward to it. They did release IJN and USN first. Russia did not play a significant role in naval warfare during World War II. And as you can see from a sketched tech tree it's full of paper ships. We'll see.

 

The development team of this game, Lesta Studio, is based in St.Petersburg(as far as i recall not that far away from where Aurora was before being towed away for the refit). WG itself is just the publisher.

 

Well, the rumor is that they won't release a full tree next, but in rather short order release single branches of different nations. First RU DDs, then German CAs, then UK... somethings, probably BBs. Then later add a branch here and there to keep people from all regions happy. If that is true (and it may not), I'm all for it. Single branches are done quicker than full trees, or it would be one tree per year or so. 

 

Regarding the decision as a whole as far as the order of nations goes, it's a business decision first and an availability/possibility decision second. RU navy will go a long way in getting more people on the RU servers interested in WoWS, so that's the business part. The other part is access to archives, and with many paper projects it'll be easier and faster to balance the tree as a whole.

 

Oh, and just before I forget:

 

 

Let's wait for Gamescom and see if there will be some more info to verify if that rumor is true or not.

 

Regarding the decision those were the primary reasons as far as we know since they have easy access to their archives and they don't have issues with the language(being their own).

Well sadly because of marketing we get the soviets buut historicaly and etc the RN should be first and by putting same lesser navy before the RN,Kries,Regia etc it's somehow insulting because i find all those navies better with more interesting ships than russian.I came to play this game for at least with some bit of historical accuracy not to play whole lines of russian paper or dream ships -.-.By my opinion RN should come before the Kriegsmarine along with the Regia Marina because only major naval conflict in Europe was with Italy not Germany(except the u-boats).

Finally someone who acknowledge the RM, you sir deserve a medal .

[Broevaharo]

I sail whatever ship I like and I don't care if it is Russian, German, American, Japanese, Italian, Dutch, British or Nepalese.

I admire the National pride I see in this thread but at the end of the day you will all sail the ships you like so if it is British and it sucks you won't sail it and the same goes for any other Nation.

[dumbo11]

How do you know they'll be OP? Besides depend on which lines they go for: destroyers and cruisers require limited amount of paper(destroyers will require only Projekt 48/Kiev as tier X above Projekt 20I/Tashkent while the cruisers will require tier VIII and IX above Projekt 68 bis/Sverdlov). Battleships will require paper to compensate the fact that they weren't able to build a fair number of ships(especially during WWI) and CVs well they won't be the only one relying on paper.

WG has made clear that their priority is profit, that the RU server is the most profitable, and that players on that server want to play Russian ships.

 

Hence, it is most likely that WG will release a Russian tree at the 'upper end' of the balancing scale.

 

We'll need to wait and see, but personally I'm certainly expecting it to be the best tree in the game o_O.

[Gazbeard]

Whilst Vanguard was a fine ship, I don't think it should be the British Tier X, the British have enough designs to do at least a partial tree split of Battleships and Battlecruisers/Fast Battleships. The Vanguard would fit into the latter catagory, the former would be best served by a Tier X being the 'N3' class, same kind of weapons and armour as a Yamato, but on a smaller hull and thus slower. The G3's should go in the battlecruiser line somewhere as well.

 

I'd be interested to know if the R class make an appearance in the Russian tree, perhaps as a premium ship, since one of them served in the WW2 Russian Navy on loan as 'Arkangelask' (spl?)

 

Cruisers and Destroyers could be interesting, but there are a few paper designs for larger ships at the top end that could suit Tier X.

 

Suggested BB line starting at Tier 3:

Dreadnought -> Orion -> Revenge -> Queen Elizabeth -> Nelson -> KGV -> Lion -> N3

 

Suggested BC/Fast BB line splitting off at Tier 4 and possibly also coming in sideways from cruisers:

Invincible -> Princess Royal -> Tiger -> Repulse -> Hood -> G3 -> Vanguard

 

 

You need to fit the Rodney in there somewhere too ;)

 

 

[Deamon93]

WG has made clear that their priority is profit, that the RU server is the most profitable, and that players on that server want to play Russian ships.

 

Hence, it is most likely that WG will release a Russian tree at the 'upper end' of the balancing scale.

 

We'll need to wait and see, but personally I'm certainly expecting it to be the best tree in the game o_O.

 

Well i wouldn't mind, it would automatically send Italy to the upper end being so closely tied with the Motherland

 

 

You need to fit the Rodney in there somewhere too ;)

 

 

 

Rodney is the sister of Nelson.

[delaci76]

Yeah sorry my Russian friends but your navy should come after the British or German, even maybe the French/Italian.

[Lord_WC]

WG has made clear that their priority is profit, that the RU server is the most profitable, and that players on that server want to play Russian ships.

That's not true and will be even less true in the coming months. Russians are poor and are heading to be even more poor.

 

dumbo11, on 16 July 2015 - 08:30 AM, said:

Hence, it is most likely that WG will release a Russian tree at the 'upper end' of the balancing scale.

Yeah, just look at how good russian tanks are. IS-7, pure awesome. IS-4, wow, best of the best. O268, pure pwnage. Don't be ridiculous, in WoT, the 'upper end' of the balancing scale is US.

 

[chaplainDMK]

That's not true and will be even less true in the coming months. Russians are poor and are heading to be even more poor.

 

Yeah, just look at how good russian tanks are. IS-7, pure awesome. IS-4, wow, best of the best. O268, pure pwnage. Don't be ridiculous, in WoT, the 'upper end' of the balancing scale is US.

 

 

Every nation has good and bad tanks in WoT, the only Nation that seems a bit iffy on balance is Japan imho, a lot of their tanks seem really underwhelming with the best being just average. Overall Germany, US and Russia each have their fair share of stinkers and winners, France and UK as well. 

[Pardinas_82]

RU navy will be OP as allways, it would be better to have the RN first. 

In fact, the RU navy should be the last one, even the French and Italian Navy was bigger.

[fallenkezef]

I reserve the right to teamkill anyone who takes a British Battlecruiser and goes slower than 20 knots

[fallenkezef]

That's not true and will be even less true in the coming months. Russians are poor and are heading to be even more poor.

 

Yeah, just look at how good russian tanks are. IS-7, pure awesome. IS-4, wow, best of the best. O268, pure pwnage. Don't be ridiculous, in WoT, the 'upper end' of the balancing scale is US.

 

 

Best arty: British Conq

The British FV183 is always in the top teams.

French and Yank autoloaders dominate

American heavies tend to be more reliable than the IS7.

At T6 the Brits dominate with the Cromwell and that fast little arty of doom.

All the russians really have are a vast assortment of T62 clones.

[snipershot]

Releasing dd/ru, ca/KM and bb/RN lines(or something like that) at the same time would be a shrewd move and would appease many people.

[VonVolks]

 

I have no problem with the pacific fleets being introduced first, as this is where the main engagements in WW2 (although mostly by Carriers) happened. I also would have no problem with Germany (or France) being introduced much later, as their fleet was small in comprehension in WWII. And i have no problem with the russian tree being introduced   early to satisfy the many russian customers.

 

BUT to introduce the by far largest fleet in WWI and (at least in the beginning of) WWII not at least as the third tech tree is beyond me. Hell, Dreadnoughts were an invention of the Royal Navy and those led to every known battleship. The whole point of building large modern battelship-fleets was introduced by the British. To introduce the Russian tree first will lead to WoWs being ridiculed by critics, and not without cause. A fan of warships expects the British ships of course. 

 

 

 

Exactly this. The Royal Navy was the most famous and dominant navy of the era and indeed invented modern naval warfare both in the sense of the battleship and the carrier. 

 

Not only that but it fought world wide including the Pacific theatre so it makes sense to be added to the IJN and USN fleets. 

 

As Strubel says,  anyone into WW1 and ww2 era naval warfare will want to see the RN 

[44smok]

Historically Russian Navy was nothing, especially compared to Royal Navy. Name any widely known Russian admiral. Except Rozhestvensky - he's known for losing at Tsushima. But the game davs come from Russian cultural zone, so it's understandable. I have no problem with Russian Navy coming before Royal Navy. They deserve to have this bias. What I don't understand is the riddiculousness of the premium Russian ships, which are way overpowered compared to what Russian Navy presented by itself in the WWI and WWII.

[St4n]

I personally just want the german tree, I don't care about the others and therfore every tree that is released before the german one will dissapoint me.

Tough, I can life with adding the russian and british trees first, but than I might allready have reached the point where I'm not interessted anymore and have long abondoned the game.
 

[BabyAdmiral]

Whats your take on the Russians being added before the British in WOWS ?

 

I think it's perfectly fine. I'm looking forward to all ship designs Wargaming intend to add to the game, no matter what country it comes from. I'll probably want to try most nations' ships out, so it really doesn't matter to me in what order they get released. 

When talking about Russia/Soviet, I'm especially looking forward to see how the Project 23 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovetsky_Soyuz-class_battleship) battleship turns out.