[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,726 battles Report post #76 Posted January 16, 2019 uff. @n0tmad you want me to upload my replay from today? Im playing a Fletcher, faced a Gadjah, who smoked up and then started to move inside his smoke. Im guessing his movement and keep hitting him until he is dead. He is moving all the time and has a pretty long smoke. Its simple logic, there is only so much space a ship has inside his smoke. He even manages to shoot back and hit me aswell, even im moving myself. So we both cheaters now? Or how about a couple of days ago, when I faced my clanmate @kaner189 in randoms - me minotaur, he Kurfürst. He got 35k on me with one salvo. And unlike you - I was never spotted before. Smoke doesnt make you invincible and it doesnt stop anyone from shooting at you. This isnt 2016 anymore, when shooting into smokes was still black magic. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AP-] thiextar Players 3,503 posts 9,933 battles Report post #77 Posted January 16, 2019 9 hours ago, n0tmad said: well i play since beta even if im not a good captain ive got many hours in this game. often im frustrated but never accused other better players of cheating. this is one example and i bet i can post 20 others and you always find an explain. fact is others much closer didnt hit me but kurfürst from much far away is able to make the perfect 40k hit. belive what you want. i have my own thoughts on it. But if there is an explanation for all 20 of them, doesn't that mean that there is no mod? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-F] Sir_Grzegorz Beta Tester 798 posts 16,083 battles Report post #78 Posted January 16, 2019 13 hours ago, n0tmad said: belive what you want. i have my own thoughts on it. This forum is about game mechanics not personal believes. I have killed minos right left and center, yet I do not come to forums when 4km broadside mino survives a salvo with few overpens. Things like that do happen it is part of game. You can find in some youtube videos how to shoot into smoke. If you are spotted and slow down to smoke it is the easiest to score a hit. Makes me always wonder when I shoot at someone 20 times and miss, it is fine. When my 21st volley kills that person with a dev strike it is cheating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,648 battles Report post #79 Posted January 16, 2019 On 10/29/2016 at 1:48 PM, _Bajkal said: Maybe in rankeds. I never see people blindshooting in randoms. Hehehe! Well then, come play with me sometime. I do it in almost every game, often quite successfully too. lots of fun though some people (usually the victim) just can't see the humor value in it. Does tend to lower your karma but totally worth it. As said by others, if you are roughly within 10km from the smoke, it is quite simple to guess, where the ship is, especially if they keep firing from smoke regardless of whether they move or not. Did get a double strike last weekend with my Atago that way, when an enemy Edinburgh and Z-46 both tried to hide in smoke in a nearby cap (granted, they were both in very low HP at the time). Try it out, loads of lolz to be had there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-TAP-] Pandafaust Players 755 posts 10,484 battles Report post #80 Posted January 16, 2019 @RAHJAILARI in fairness to @_Bajkal, in the two and a quarter years since they posted that comment people have generally learned to fire in to smoke more often. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,484 battles Report post #81 Posted January 16, 2019 @nOtmad m8 its just sniping and some luck with rng, we all smoke up seccessfouly and evade damage hundreds of times but we dont take notice if that but only of few % of cases we end up blaped, its human nature, yesterday i potatoed hard in a mino and evaded most of shells of like 20 salvoes of different shipps by moving around in smoke but in the end them knowing my whereabouts finally got me 6 shell delivery from a montana with predictable outcome... Did he get lucky? A bit, since he fired on me before and missed most (was just clipped by a shell or two) but then second time he was lucky with aim and grouping aaaand - crunch, sh** happens. I m mot saying there are no cheats and hacks people develop this stuff all the time and WG bans such haks/mods and their users periodically but there will akways be some that are still ahead of the wave, but for hitting in smoke you dont need haks, really, if you are sniping meaning you can aim without beeing molested too much and observe the target area through the zoomed in sights to correct upon any shell impact you see or firing traces from the ship in smoke its easy, you can often even shoot and hit completly blindly just by knowing where the enemy ship that you glimpsed is likely to take up position and if you dont have anything better to shoot at that time why not take a shot? Number if times I cited or toroed an enemy cruiser by guessing like that in cw is just silly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gizaman Beta Tester 296 posts 3,981 battles Report post #82 Posted January 16, 2019 If you smoke up often like in my kutuzov. You will learn that most people just do not try to hit you in smoke. It is like they freeze and do not try to hit you the second you become invisible. It is really obvious at times. Even when 8-10 km. away they do not try to hit you. Besides often there is not a lot to lose to try to hit you in smoke. You are getting hammered anyway and maybe there is no other targets around. It is far form being the biggest issue at the moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ONE2] RAHJAILARI Players 3,160 posts 31,648 battles Report post #83 Posted January 16, 2019 39 minutes ago, Pandafaust said: @RAHJAILARI in fairness to @_Bajkal, in the two and a quarter years since they posted that comment people have generally learned to fire in to smoke more often. WOOT? Learn? What sorcery is that? have you played Randoms? Have you seen how weird it is out there? Obviously Learning is a myth. Hehehe! But seriously yeah you are hopefully right, admittedly I have occasionally seen also others besides myself actually shooting into smoke with some success. Though that said, there are still also way too many players, who seem to regard smoke, as bullet- and torpedo-proof... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Mr_Tayto Players 1,099 posts 10,119 battles Report post #84 Posted January 16, 2019 I killed a smoked up Mino in my new Izumo last night, 12km out, firing at a combination of tracers and his last known position. I love it when it happens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cippalippus Players 563 posts 12,734 battles Report post #85 Posted January 16, 2019 A minotaur vomits a never ending rain of shells. Spotter plane and/or a careful assessment of distance can give you good results. Of course random pubbies trying to "snipe" from A line wouldn't even hit the moon, but with some experience you can really ruin some people's day. Conversely, I now know not to mess up with good players and we have a tacit agreement: I don't shoot them and they don't blind fire in smoke. Gentlemen agreement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NOCIT] EgyptOverseer Players 650 posts 6,924 battles Report post #86 Posted January 16, 2019 Wearing my tin foil hat last Sunday. Last few hours to rank out. Rpf'd by a Shinonome while sailing a Hatsuharu. Never spotted. Sitting just outside cap so not to give away the exact position. I was in a channel, bow in, so he would get a successful torp run only if he specifically came to almost proximity spotting range and torp my side from a tight angle. Somehow that is exactly how the torp spread was laid, giving away his approximate position. I then smoke up sitting at low health ( still 3k so it was somewhat safe from a blind fire, or so I thought). Out of nowhere, an exact salvo hits me with all but one shell. Never spotted, and he was neither. The salvo kills me, and I get killed from apparent blindfire without ever being spotted or firing my guns. Either it was the absolute best player in the world, capable of killing unspotted ships with guns with 90% shot accuracy, not needing spotter plane or muzzle flashes to know the exact location of a ship in smoke, whilst also achieving this in an IJN DD and at a range where it cannot even get spotted when firing from smoke. Not a common occurrence, but definitely very, very, very suspicious. If anyone is interested, I can upload the replay when I next fire up my laptop. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,726 battles Report post #87 Posted January 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, EgyptOverseer said: Not a common occurrence, but definitely very, very, very suspicious. If anyone is interested, I can upload the replay when I next fire up my laptop. Sounds definitely worth a look. Where you the last one standing? In those situations, I sometimes try this myself, since I can use the enemys smokescreen to my advantage (guarenteed unspotted while shooting). But hitting on the first volley is... rare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NOCIT] EgyptOverseer Players 650 posts 6,924 battles Report post #88 Posted January 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said: Sounds definitely worth a look. Where you the last one standing? In those situations, I sometimes try this myself, since I can use the enemys smokescreen to my advantage (guarenteed unspotted while shooting). But hitting on the first volley is... rare. Nope. I was actually the first death, with nothing but a solo cap and a ship spotted. Zero shots fired. Never spotted. The enemy ship did not even fire tentative shots. Just one volley and instant death. Maybe the torp hit would give some idea of my location, but never to the point of knowing and hitting a full blind volley from an IJN DD, of all things. Took it as a L2P issue from me initially, but the more I think about it, the more I wonder... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #89 Posted January 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, EgyptOverseer said: Maybe the torp hit would give some idea of my location you mean the huge splash of water when the torp explodes? yeah that tends to give things away just a little... Not that aiming for that is completely foolproof or done every day, but it's my personal Occam's Razor explanation in the case you describe here - because it doesnt require the extra factor of some sort of cheat, just very good observation from the dude. ^the above is of course assuming he had clear view of the point of impact - couldnt read that clearly from your description. Disregard if that wasnt the case. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NOCIT] EgyptOverseer Players 650 posts 6,924 battles Report post #90 Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said: you mean the huge splash of water when the torp explodes? yeah that tends to give things away just a little... Not that aiming for that is completely foolproof or done every day, but it's my personal Occam's Razor explanation in the case you describe here - because it doesnt require the extra factor of some sort of cheat, just very good observation from the dude. ^the above is of course assuming he had clear view of the point of impact - couldnt read that clearly from your description. Disregard if that wasnt the case. Not really clear view unless he was about 3Km away, and even then, the salvo was not immediately after and I had moved after the hit. I struggle to hit that many shells on a spotted IJN low tier DD never mind a full salvo on an unspotted one. Since he was also unspotted throughout, it's a bit of a guessing game, and without looking at the replay it's just hearsay anyway. If anyone is even remotely interested, check back on this thread on Friday evening, otherwise I just hope it was indeed someone with superhuman skills and not indeed some form of weird new cheat that I didn't even think was possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,726 battles Report post #91 Posted January 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, EgyptOverseer said: Nope. I was actually the first death, with nothing but a solo cap and a ship spotted. Zero shots fired. Never spotted. The enemy ship did not even fire tentative shots. Just one volley and instant death. Maybe the torp hit would give some idea of my location, but never to the point of knowing and hitting a full blind volley from an IJN DD, of all things. Took it as a L2P issue from me initially, but the more I think about it, the more I wonder... 15 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said: you mean the huge splash of water when the torp explodes? yeah that tends to give things away just a little... Not that aiming for that is completely foolproof or done every day, but it's my personal Occam's Razor explanation in the case you describe here - because it doesnt require the extra factor of some sort of cheat, just very good observation from the dude. ^the above is of course assuming he had clear view of the point of impact - couldnt read that clearly from your description. Disregard if that wasnt the case. The thing is, especially in this game: its hard to make a definate call by reviewing a situation. There is so much RNG and basically everything is possible so... I use torpedo hits myself as an indicator. A funny story comes to mind: My divisionmate torps a smoke, im zooming in and waiting for something to happen. Then 2 hits, 2 torps right next to each other. So my conclusion is: the ship got hit bow & stern, just aim in the middle for guarenteed hit. I get: 0 hits and im like . Later we found out: there were 2 ships in the smoke who got hit so I must have shot right between them. But in general: Anyone, that says, its totaly impossible, that someone might be cheating - I´d ask him if this is his first MMO. But unless I see a Yamato flying over the map with 280 knots shooting with a reload of 2 sek - I would hesitate to call someone out for cheating in this game. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #92 Posted January 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said: Later we found out: there were 2 ships in the smoke who got hit so I must have shot right between them. Damn WG, good job! Looks like this game is becoming more and more like Battleship by the hour! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #93 Posted January 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said: But unless I see a Yamato flying over the map with 280 knots shooting with a reload of 2 sek - I would hesitate to call someone out for cheating in this game. Naw mate, that'd just be the new premium aviation battleships. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n0tmad Players 13 posts Report post #94 Posted January 16, 2019 Well 20 examples means not that im hunderts of times get killed in smoke or other bad misstakes by my side. i dont have to explain you modules and captain skills for a hughe smoke wall. sure its not hard to kill someone in smoke i guess also multiple times and shoot miss then hit and sunk but its the fact of clairvoyance that you have a big reload time on a bb and dont waste it for a "GUESS!" unless you know you have a very very good chance to hit. and the KG was pretty sure otherwise he would not guess when there are lots of other enemys where you can shoot at which are visible. why should i waste my reload time when i can aim on visible targets. btw same situation i had once with my z52 big smoke wall much movement no shooting facing front first to enemy and get a 19.8km sunk with 1 shell from a GK by full life. what makes me thinking of this "mods" is the fact that people not Guess or clainvoyance. but thanks for trying to explain me and for your time guys. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #95 Posted January 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, n0tmad said: and the KG was pretty sure otherwise The GK in your replay the other day could shoot at you, while you were still spotted. His shells were already midair as you went unspotted. Die GK hat auf dich geschossen als du noch entdeckt warst. Seine Geschosse waren bereits in der Luft als du in deinem Smoke verschwandest. Also nichts mit "Ratespielen" der GK, sondern ganz normal auf ein sichtbares Ziel geschossen, dass NACH drücken der linken Maustaste unsichtbar wurde. Unsichtbar heißt aber nicht "untreffbar" 10 minutes ago, n0tmad said: why should i waste my reload time when i can aim on visible targets. Tons of reasons: - The target in smoke is the largest threat - The target in smoke is low health - The target in smoke is the only ship in my range - I have my spotter plane up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n0tmad Players 13 posts Report post #96 Posted January 17, 2019 Vor 5 Stunden, Allied_Winter sagte: The GK in your replay the other day could shoot at you, while you were still spotted. His shells were already midair as you went unspotted. Die GK hat auf dich geschossen als du noch entdeckt warst. Seine Geschosse waren bereits in der Luft als du in deinem Smoke verschwandest. Also nichts mit "Ratespielen" der GK, sondern ganz normal auf ein sichtbares Ziel geschossen, dass NACH drücken der linken Maustaste unsichtbar wurde. Unsichtbar heißt aber nicht "untreffbar" Tons of reasons: - The target in smoke is the largest threat - The target in smoke is low health - The target in smoke is the only ship in my range - I have my spotter plane up I was not the largest threat because i did not even see him I was not low health i was FULL i was not the only ship in range there was 3 others which was not in smoke no plane was up but doesnt matter i get your point of statement. thanks for your time,Danke das du dir soviel Zeit nimmst es zu erklären. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,795 posts 12,260 battles Report post #97 Posted January 17, 2019 8 hours ago, n0tmad said: Well 20 examples means not that im hunderts of times get killed in smoke or other bad misstakes by my side. i dont have to explain you modules and captain skills for a hughe smoke wall. sure its not hard to kill someone in smoke i guess also multiple times and shoot miss then hit and sunk but its the fact of clairvoyance that you have a big reload time on a bb and dont waste it for a "GUESS!" unless you know you have a very very good chance to hit. and the KG was pretty sure otherwise he would not guess when there are lots of other enemys where you can shoot at which are visible. why should i waste my reload time when i can aim on visible targets. btw same situation i had once with my z52 big smoke wall much movement no shooting facing front first to enemy and get a 19.8km sunk with 1 shell from a GK by full life. what makes me thinking of this "mods" is the fact that people not Guess or clainvoyance. but thanks for trying to explain me and for your time guys. Oh, yes, people deciding that you are worth shooting at - a clear sign that they are cheaters Considering your attitude, you could probably make your stats public - there's a good chance that then at least the people that check people's stats would stop considering you a threat worth wasting ammo on... I can't be 100% sure but I doubt you're on the green side of 50% if getting shot at (and sometimes nailed) in smoke makes you believe that every BB that contributes to that is a cheater. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #98 Posted January 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Allied_Winter said: Tons of reasons: - The target in smoke is the largest threat - The target in smoke is low health - The target in smoke is the only ship in my range - I have my spotter plane up -It's a Neptune/Minotaur and even if the shell just scrapes the bow a bit you get easy citadel ribbons. 4 hours ago, n0tmad said: no plane was up That you don't know, as planes only get spotted from 8 km away, while the Kurfürst was way further away. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
___V_E_N_O_M___ Players 2,129 posts 14,227 battles Report post #99 Posted January 17, 2019 X MARKS THE SPOT MOD??? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLUNJ] bushwacker001 [KLUNJ] Players 2,870 posts Report post #100 Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said: X MARKS THE SPOT MOD??? Watch the replay before commenting......OP was still visible when all shots were fired at him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
