Is there a new mod which reveals position in smoke?

[Shaka_D]

At the risk of sounding like a hash trying to blame others for cheating, I have to ask the question because I don't use mods. I prepared to man up and be tarred and feathered for this too, but my ignorance is my weakness. Is this something controlled server side or is something like this even remotely possible?

 

In 3 separate games, all three in ranked, I was in my dd and popped a trail of smoke. I came to a stop and as is my usual style I alternated my movement so I wasn't in one place at any time, but always in smoke cover.

 

There were no cruisers with radar or anything of the sort. I was never spotted and on two occasions I was not firing my guns. On all three occasions I was targeted successfully by a single ship, not by multiple enemies, always a single ship. They fired at exactly where I was and hit me for major damage and on two occasions killing me. I was within range of my benson guns, so within 12kmm but never closer than 9 or 10km.. As mentioned, never spotted so I presume I should have been undetected.

 

I know there are great players out there, and lucky ones, but this happened 3 times in two days in ranked so perhaps it was just a run of bad luck on my part. Tell me folks, do I need a doctor before it's too late or am I starting to look for reasons beyond my own fault? Is this a case of 'replay or it didn't happen'? My first assumption is the players were experienced enough to guess where I was, although moving backward and forward in a long smoke trail causes doubt. I'll have to see what I'm doing wrong perhaps, but it's a hard one to judge so thoughts from our panel of experts here would be good.

[tw53]

look in aslains mod pack

 

 

[Drunken_Jedi]

look in aslains mod pack

 

 

 

Care to elaborate? Is there a mod within his pack which is akin to SPG red ball or something?

[Pastaiolo]

I think that since the release of british cruisers more people tend to blind shoot into the smoke. It's easy to see where the ship firing is, and after some hit and misses you can also guess if it's moving forward or back

 

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

look in aslains mod pack

 

 

 

Nope? Unless there is another aslain mod pack I don't know about with hax and free gold.

 

I think that since the release of british cruisers more people tend to blind shoot into the smoke. It's easy to see where the ship firing is, and after some hit and misses you can also guess if it's moving forward or back

 

 

Maybe in rankeds. I never see people blindshooting in randoms.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

I have had a situation where I was in smoke (undetected) and the enemy cruiser wrecked me.

I suspected he was cheating or using some sort of mod, but it turned out he was using his hydro on me and I never got the "detected" icon.

 

So in my case it was a bug ... and the small "detected" icon is making me use one of aslain mods again.

 

What I want is a mod that would countdown smoke duration. I often have problems when you have to stay in smoke for a longer period of time and when the smoke dissipated im left out in the open naked.

[ColonelPete]

People do blindshoot and sometimes I sink someone.

I couple of days ago I blindshot citadeld a RN cruiser in smoke.

[Tyrendian89]

see, now this is how someone that doesnt understand how he got killed any isnt sure whether it was via legitimate means should make a thread about it. Big props to you sir!

I havent heard of any mod like this, and I suspect you just plain missed something - the detection icon isnt all that big as nambr said, and while I've never noticed it bugging out that doesnt seem inconceivable either. You wouldnt happen to have replays of these events? Because I'm actually curious now.

[Zathras_Grimm]

Smoke cheat, not that I know of. Although being a DD as soon as someone drops smoke I go closer to expose them when they think its cool to fire from smoke. Maybe that happened?

 

 

 

[lup3s]

At the risk of sounding like a hash trying to blame others for cheating, I have to ask the question because I don't use mods. I prepared to man up and be tarred and feathered for this too, but my ignorance is my weakness. Is this something controlled server side or is something like this even remotely possible?

 

In 3 separate games, all three in ranked, I was in my dd and popped a trail of smoke. I came to a stop and as is my usual style I alternated my movement so I wasn't in one place at any time, but always in smoke cover.

 

There were no cruisers with radar or anything of the sort. I was never spotted and on two occasions I was not firing my guns. On all three occasions I was targeted successfully by a single ship, not by multiple enemies, always a single ship. They fired at exactly where I was and hit me for major damage and on two occasions killing me. I was within range of my benson guns, so within 12kmm but never closer than 9 or 10km.. As mentioned, never spotted so I presume I should have been undetected.

 

I know there are great players out there, and lucky ones, but this happened 3 times in two days in ranked so perhaps it was just a run of bad luck on my part. Tell me folks, do I need a doctor before it's too late or am I starting to look for reasons beyond my own fault? Is this a case of 'replay or it didn't happen'? My first assumption is the players were experienced enough to guess where I was, although moving backward and forward in a long smoke trail causes doubt. I'll have to see what I'm doing wrong perhaps, but it's a hard one to judge so thoughts from our panel of experts here would be good.

 

one explanation could be that the salvo was already on its way the moment you were no longer detected; but this should only explain getting hit the first moments of popping smoke

 

another explanation could be that it indeed was a really experienced player who knows where to aim if he sees the flashes of your guns being fired; but this should also only explain getting hit while / after you fired from the smoke

 

else I'd say the player was indeed very lucky, and after the first hit knew the distance where to aim (most important) and than just spread some random salvoes along a 'line' at that salvo (sorry can't think of proper English word .. )

 

at least you didn't get detonated in your smoke by the last shells fired at you, or by some random 'blind' shell

 

 

:edit:

 

Could it be that it was a cruiser with a spotter plane (e.g. Kirov) and with the top view it was much easier to pinpoint your position in the smoke?

I haven't tried this yet but might test it tonight.

[gm3ntor]

I just love how all these HAX accusations never come with a pic/replay.. 

 

[ThePurpleSmurf]

I just love how all these HAX accusations never come with a pic/replay.. 

 

Because you screenshot everything that happen in game, even *after* it already happened and can not be reproduced? And replays are by default not enabled, but you have to use a mod or tweak the preferences file to enable it, both things not everyone does or know about it.

[B010011A]

 

Nope? Unless there is another aslain mod pack I don't know about with hax and free gold.

 

 

Maybe in rankeds. I never see people blindshooting in randoms.

 

I blindshoot in random, also in ranked. Its rare cause I see people doing it tho.

[CLyDeThaMonKeY]

Sitting in smoke is not a 100% guarantee to be safe. Its not that hard to blindshoot into smoke. And after the RN appeared, people are doing it more.

[herrjott]

What about the little smoke patch you can see coming from the ship's position, while smoke is being deployed? I often try to shoot at this.

[BadGene616]

I had the exact same thing. Wasnt sitting still either, was running like a rabbit to escape cause I knew ships were coming, every shot no matter where I went was hitting me.

 

I'm an experienced player, I am positive that no spotted icon came up. I was watching for it.

 

I asked the enemy ship, how?

 

He was pretty reasonable about it... He'd used hydro. I suspect it's a bug where the icon doesn't show. 

 

Unfortunately I'm on a replacement system so didn't have replays enabled so wondered if it was a settings issue but nothing is present in the menu options. Was a shocker.

 

Not even convinced it would show up on a replay.

[Aotearas]

RN cruiser smokes only puff two times (or more often than not just a single time due to a bug) so the actual smokescreen is very small and a cruiser is a relatively huge target. Just aim in between where the shots are coming from when you look at the smoke and your chances to hit aren't that low actually. And since the RN cruisers are extremely squishy, you really only need to get lucky once or twice when they sit broadside in their smoke to get all guns to fire as so many do.

 

Have seen people shooting (and hitting) smoked up RN cruisers in randoms aplenty.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Yes ive had some occasions where the icon didnt show up or i just simply missed it. Thats why i started using a mod with big [edited]icon, so i dont miss it ever again

[PonyOnSteroids]

Replay must be given, otherwise you could speculate till the end of days.

 

[MrConway]

At the risk of sounding like a hash trying to blame others for cheating, I have to ask the question because I don't use mods. I prepared to man up and be tarred and feathered for this too, but my ignorance is my weakness. Is this something controlled server side or is something like this even remotely possible?

 

In 3 separate games, all three in ranked, I was in my dd and popped a trail of smoke. I came to a stop and as is my usual style I alternated my movement so I wasn't in one place at any time, but always in smoke cover.

 

There were no cruisers with radar or anything of the sort. I was never spotted and on two occasions I was not firing my guns. On all three occasions I was targeted successfully by a single ship, not by multiple enemies, always a single ship. They fired at exactly where I was and hit me for major damage and on two occasions killing me. I was within range of my benson guns, so within 12kmm but never closer than 9 or 10km.. As mentioned, never spotted so I presume I should have been undetected.

 

I know there are great players out there, and lucky ones, but this happened 3 times in two days in ranked so perhaps it was just a run of bad luck on my part. Tell me folks, do I need a doctor before it's too late or am I starting to look for reasons beyond my own fault? Is this a case of 'replay or it didn't happen'? My first assumption is the players were experienced enough to guess where I was, although moving backward and forward in a long smoke trail causes doubt. I'll have to see what I'm doing wrong perhaps, but it's a hard one to judge so thoughts from our panel of experts here would be good.

 

To answer your question: It is indeed controlled entirely server side, there is no way to get information about unspotted targets as the client doesn't have it.

 

Always remember that it takes a few seconds for you to disappear, players often lock their guns on a target before it gets unspotted, allowing them to fire at the last known position after reloading.

 

But to be really specific we need a replay.

 

What I want is a mod that would countdown smoke duration. I often have problems when you have to stay in smoke for a longer period of time and when the smoke dissipated im left out in the open naked.

 

Look at how long your smoke cooldown and smoke duration is. Then simply substract the duration from the cooldown and you'll know that the smoke will dissipate at "X" seconds cooldown remaining.

 

[Smeggo]

 

Look at how long your smoke cooldown and smoke duration is. Then simply substract the duration from the cooldown and you'll know that the smoke will dissipate at "X" seconds cooldown remaining.

 

 

If you use premium smoke consumable, the smoke will run out at timer 1:04 on british cruisers - on kutuzov it's 10 second later. Don't know for DDs, just test it.

It's really nice to know when it runs of, I drift into starting position backwards and give fullspeed 5 seconds before it runs out.

[Vulgarny]

see, now this is how someone that doesnt understand how he got killed any isnt sure whether it was via legitimate means should make a thread about it. Big props to you sir!

I havent heard of any mod like this, and I suspect you just plain missed something - the detection icon isnt all that big as nambr said, and while I've never noticed it bugging out that doesnt seem inconceivable either. You wouldnt happen to have replays of these events? Because I'm actually curious now.

 

Well on RU server we had a couple o strange situation like this. And as we know on RU is more common for people to use "Norwegian anti asthma therapy" then on EU.

[EsaTuunanen]

To answer your question: It is indeed controlled entirely server side, there is no way to get information about unspotted targets as the client doesn't have it.

 

 

 

Look at how long your smoke cooldown and smoke duration is. Then simply substract the duration from the cooldown and you'll know that the smoke will dissipate at "X" seconds cooldown remaining.

Though client gets information to draw shell trajectories with their starting position so for firing ship cheats can't be fully 100% excluded.

But obviously that possibility doesn't cover ship "staying quiet".

And while cruisers are big enough compared to their smoke cloud that by aiming to center of smoke there's chance for good hits destroyers shouldn't suffer much from that chance.

 

 

And smoke cooldown and duration are easy to check during match by using Ctrl to move mouse cursor over smoke symbol to see its info.

[Shaka_D]

 

To answer your question: It is indeed controlled entirely server side, there is no way to get information about unspotted targets as the client doesn't have it.

 

Always remember that it takes a few seconds for you to disappear, players often lock their guns on a target before it gets unspotted, allowing them to fire at the last known position after reloading.

 

But to be really specific we need a replay.

 

 

Look at how long your smoke cooldown and smoke duration is. Then simply substract the duration from the cooldown and you'll know that the smoke will dissipate at "X" seconds cooldown remaining.

 

 

Makes sense, it might simply have been a bad combination of luck on their part and me thinking I was unspotted. No icons came up so I presumed I was mr. invisible. I wouldn't accuse the guy of cheating in a case like this because as mentioned some guys know their stuff and someone like me sometimes takes things for granted. I'll enable replays I reckon but won't be hanging around in smoke to test any theories on this, lol. I got a little concerned because it happened 3 times in 2 days, not really as rare as I would presume it would happen and always focussed on by a single player, never a group as is usually the case when a dd pinata is spotted sitting in smoke.

 

I'm aware of the brit ships being destroyed in smoke because the cloud is so small all it takes is a salvo or two and the brit ship is dead, so smoke is sometimes pointless in these cases. For me it was in my benson in a nice long trail of smoke. Guess I'll have to play with my eyes open from now on.

[bushwacker001]

What about the little smoke patch you can see coming from the ship's position, while smoke is being deployed? I often try to shoot at this.

 

I would guess it's this that gave you away......I have been called a hacker once or twice by shooting DD's in smoke if they are still dispersing after disappearing as you can see the ship position or movement from it.

 

The last time I saw you in battle Shak, you were flying a big red flag on top of a massive flagpole with 'GET IT HERE' written on it. If that sticks above the cloud then you are easy meat.