[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,912 battles Report post #26 Posted October 29, 2016 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
praetor_jax Beta Tester 1,266 posts 4,216 battles Report post #27 Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) WG developers simply THINK their customers/players are IDIOTS.them! Well, did you keep spending money after they were released? Edited October 29, 2016 by praetor_jax Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #28 Posted October 29, 2016 I think this is exactly the topic this forum needed. Such new and inovative topic to discuss, I wonder how nobody else posted something simillar before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HELLA] Anthoniusii Players 1,188 posts 24,244 battles Report post #29 Posted October 29, 2016 You can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink. This is purely a thread to create friction and troll. You did not answer to my question.... I use numbers and facts. In fact you are a troll when you are not talking with numbers and facts. Would you suport a soviet cruisers change of statistics SAME as thebritish ones that according to you are so good? Making your selves the "nice guys" for WG does not mean that you win anything nore you help the game to improve... Asss kissers are everywhere..You are not the only ones you know.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SerPurr Beta Tester 722 posts 16,744 battles Report post #30 Posted October 29, 2016 Give them a chance. If you feel too much frustration, play something else. Shouting doesn't help. Showing stats right now (any part) is simply too early. If it turns out certain ships underperform, WG will look at them. I think it's fair to say this new line hasn't exactly received a warm welcome. WG is aware of that too. If absolutely nothing changes, well then at least you know right? Up to each individual to act upon that information. Still, up to now, WG has -more or less- listened to complaints voiced by a certain majority so just enjoy the game without bashing your head against a brick wall and -as hard as that might be- be patient. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jadefalken Beta Tester, Players 751 posts 10,893 battles Report post #31 Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) You did not answer to my question.... I use numbers and facts. In fact you are a troll when you are not talking with numbers and facts. Would you suport a soviet cruisers change of statistics SAME as thebritish ones that according to you are so good? Making your selves the "nice guys" for WG does not mean that you win anything nore you help the game to improve... Asss kissers are everywhere..You are not the only ones you know.... Use experience not other peoples number and stats. If your so "pro" you would understand that the RN Light Cruisers is not noob friendly... that was even confirmed by the devs. If you cannot handle it or play them.. play something else! You are the kind of whiney little bratt and spits out their dummy and cries when they don't get there way... you want WG to nerf a line and buff the RN cruisers because YOU are incapable of playing... When will people learn that to get better you have to learn... I cannot wait for you to go to work.. demand the Boss promotes you because you think your entitled to it without working hard and learning the role.. what you going to to then?? Go to another forum and create russophobia rants that Russian Nationalism prevents you from getting the promotion? Amazing I played the Russian Cruisers and liked them but I'm loving the RN cruisers more... am I a pro?? no!!!! I make mistakes and get deleted for making that mistake.. do I come to the forums and create shite posts all the time I die?? no!!! I learn from my mistakes hoping it makes me a better player... maybe learn to do the same not try and demand WG changes things to suit your stupidity! PS on the Soviet cruise topic you mentioned.. I voiced anti nerfing the Soviet Destroyers... but so I spam and blame other? No I merely have them sat in port not playing them... please point where I created posts after the Soviet DD nerf about how Developers are stupid and Gearing Captains are kiss arse.. etc... Edited October 29, 2016 by Ivanovich_Rudakov Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,140 battles Report post #32 Posted October 29, 2016 Königsberg and Nürnberg were never awful. You just did not know how to play them then. And if you cared, you would have informed yourself. ALL RN cruisers perform well to extremly good. Look at the server stats. EU Server Stats: That is the worst of all ten: Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 2 Chikuma 49.88 11.951 0.46 24.71 KM CA 2 Dresden 49.50 12.336 0.51 24.14 KM CA 2 Emden 50.02 14.245 0.61 24.34 RN CA 2 Weymouth 41.54 12.117 0.44 20.58 SN CA 2 Novik 46.32 12.646 0.56 26.12 SN CA 2 Diana 44.32 11.671 0.38 25.15 US CA 2 Chester 45.46 9.246 0.37 19.51 US CA 2 Albany 37.53 13.999 0.54 33.43 Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 3 Tenryu 47.43 16.764 0.62 21.38 JP CA 3 Katori 56.11 33.644 0.98 34.57 KM CA 3 Kolberg 46.76 14.806 0.54 21.18 RN CA 3 Caledon 48.63 18.258 0.72 22.59 SN CA 3 Bogatyr 51.14 22.697 0.75 29.46 SN CA 3 Aurora 41.80 16.053 0.50 20.72 US CA 3 St. Louis 50.61 20.248 0.71 29.54 Now the RN line powers up: Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 4 Kuma 48.48 18.451 0.53 16.77 JP CA 4 Yubari 54.56 27.815 0.79 28.24 JP CA 4 Iwaki Alpha 53.16 30.345 1.06 20.34 KM CA 4 Karlsruhe 48.77 15.046 0.44 18.29 RN CA 4 Danae 50.84 21.783 0.74 20.44 SN CA 4 Svietlana 48.47 19.978 0.58 19.36 US CA 4 Phoenix 48.17 17.383 0.47 17.72 Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 5 Furutaka 47.44 18.560 0.45 19.58 KM CA 5 Koenigsberg 48.66 20.301 0.50 19.67 RN CA 5 Emerald 49.40 25.071 0.71 22.78 SN CA 5 Kirov 46.77 21.567 0.46 20.46 SN CA 5 Murmansk 51.33 29.111 0.69 25.81 SN CA 5 Krasny Krym 49.16 25.951 0.69 11.04 US CA 5 Omaha 47.48 18.458 0.44 17.76 US CA 5 Marblehead 45.71 20.156 0.46 15.88 And now it gets borderline ridiculous: Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 6 Aoba 48.99 24.023 0.50 25.64 KM CA 6 Nurnberg 47.63 20.315 0.43 22.01 RN CA 6 Leander 56.20 39.715 0.97 37.29 SN CA 6 Budyonny 49.01 29.661 0.61 26.01 SN CA 6 Molotov 51.90 32.976 0.66 29.97 US CA 6 Cleveland 48.42 23.320 0.50 26.53 Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 7 Myoko 47.92 31.112 0.57 29.55 JP CA 7 ARP Ashigara 46.73 31.790 0.60 27.98 JP CA 7 ARP Haguro 47.72 32.376 0.60 28.27 JP CA 7 ARP Myoko 52.61 39.891 0.76 30.09 KM CA 7 Yorck 47.01 24.653 0.46 27.38 RN CA 7 Belfast 53.34 45.280 0.96 37.96 RN CA 7 Fiji 54.81 51.589 1.17 39.76 SN CA 7 Shchors 48.15 36.004 0.65 26.83 US CA 7 Pensacola 46.02 24.339 0.44 27.10 US CA 7 Atlanta 51.49 29.090 0.70 23.98 US CA 7 Indianapolis 45.08 25.116 0.47 27.93 US CA 7 Flint 59.51 59.248 1.21 38.36 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,140 battles Report post #33 Posted October 29, 2016 At Tier VIII they slow down a bit and the players numbers get low compared to other lines: Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 8 Mogami 46.52 35.687 0.59 28.98 JP CA 8 Atago 51.98 39.924 0.66 35.98 KM CA 8 Admiral Hipper 47.19 30.435 0.47 28.86 KM CA 8 Prinz Eugen 50.06 29.706 0.45 27.05 RN CA 8 Edinburgh 54.42 48.673 0.94 39.49 SN CA 8 Mikhail Kutuzov 51.48 47.745 0.74 38.62 SN CA 8 Chapayev 47.43 42.243 0.66 33.82 US CA 8 New Orleans 45.33 26.862 0.42 28.00 Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 9 Ibuki 47.26 47.775 0.63 42.01 KM CA 9 Roon 49.37 44.781 0.59 41.15 RN CA 9 Neptune 51.29 55.328 0.94 37.59 SN CA 9 Dmitri Donskoi 52.44 53.385 0.70 43.86 US CA 9 Baltimore 47.36 37.280 0.55 40.76 Only 942 matches: Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 10 Zao 48.81 80.648 0.95 50.74 KM CA 10 Hindenburg 47.14 63.703 0.77 39.11 RN CA 10 Minotaur 53.07 70.391 1.05 41.43 SN CA 10 Moskva 51.00 75.893 0.89 46.83 US CA 10 Des Moines 48.66 66.920 0.93 39.09 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #34 Posted October 29, 2016 The stats are not reliable. Many players are actually missing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #35 Posted October 29, 2016 You britts need to chill. Firs i was listening at constant moaning "where is the rn" in every single post out there. Now you are blantering again since you are not happy with what they delivered. WG isnt happy regarding rn cl line and most likely they will fix it adding low dmg he. In the meantime, keep trolling to minimum... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chuckabutty Players 53 posts 5,279 battles Report post #36 Posted October 29, 2016 Lower tier RN cruisers are like dds with ap only and a citadel. They are inferior to every other ship. Their guns do only good damage against dds that are stupid enough to yolo you. They aren't any use for that either. Yesterday I charged down a Danae in my Minekaze. Kept the bow pointed his way and laughed as three full salvos bounced off me for zero damage. He took half my health when I turned to launch at him then no more damage when I turned back in to watch my torps take him out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KOKOS] MaxxyNL [KOKOS] Beta Tester, Players 3,418 posts 11,878 battles Report post #37 Posted October 29, 2016 CAN YOU DO IT OR YOU NEED SOMEONE WITH BRAIN TO DO IT FOR YOU? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GLUE_] Fino_93 Players 390 posts 9,642 battles Report post #38 Posted October 29, 2016 WG isnt happy regarding rn cl line and most likely they will fix it adding low dmg he. In the meantime, keep trolling to minimum... Source? Cause i've read the same opposite... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEWD] CLyDeThaMonKeY [LEWD] Beta Tester 436 posts 26,847 battles Report post #39 Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) These kinda threads is excellent at salting my popcorn What I see, is a bunch of people whos angry because they dont know how to cruiser Btw, I love the RN line. At Leander know and looking forward to the next ships Edited October 29, 2016 by CLyDeThaMonKeY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,274 battles Report post #40 Posted October 29, 2016 You did not answer my question....Edimburg is neither tier 3 or tier 6!! Unless you play the idiot to [edited]kiss the WG developing team.... If you have some kind of BRAIN use it to compare tier 4,5 and tier 6 Cruisers of all other lines with British ones!!!! CAN YOU DO IT OR YOU NEED SOMEONE WITH BRAIN TO DO IT FOR YOU? Well...... Me avg player..... Emerald (T5) Avg Damage 39,438 K/D 1.8 ......... seems OK to me? Leander (T6) Avg Damage 47.989 K/D 2.1 ........ Seems OK to me? Fiji (T7) Avg Damage 76,921 K/D 2.3 ........ Seems OK to me? Belfast (T7) Avg Damage 59.238 K/D 3.8 ..........Seems OK to me? But Fiji is better in reality...... You 'NEED' to change the way you play with the RN Cruisers..... be sneaky, don't be seen..... lunch on enemy cruisers....... Honestly I cannot for the life of me see what is wrong with them....... now about those guys asking about Russian cruisers ask themselve if they REALLY need another line to be able to do THIS !......with smoke and Hydro and HE..... Or would you not prefer this sort of thing? With sneaky Cruisers having a laugh !! Come on we need different not all the same old crap ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #41 Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) You can tell this guy didn't even have the patience to look at the actual ship stats past the hilarious superficial and misrepresenting ship ratings ... any effort trying to argue with a low attention span dude like this is wasted, he'll have forgotten all you've said by the time he starts typing his incredulous reply to your comment. Makes for good fun tho Edited October 29, 2016 by Aotearas 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] Earl_of_Northesk Players 2,447 posts 14,711 battles Report post #42 Posted October 29, 2016 Königsberg and Nürnberg were never awful. You just did not know how to play them then. And if you cared, you would have informed yourself. ALL RN cruisers perform well to extremly good. Look at the server stats. EU Server Stats: That is the worst of all ten: Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 2 Chikuma 49.88 11.951 0.46 24.71 KM CA 2 Dresden 49.50 12.336 0.51 24.14 KM CA 2 Emden 50.02 14.245 0.61 24.34 RN CA 2 Weymouth 41.54 12.117 0.44 20.58 SN CA 2 Novik 46.32 12.646 0.56 26.12 SN CA 2 Diana 44.32 11.671 0.38 25.15 US CA 2 Chester 45.46 9.246 0.37 19.51 US CA 2 Albany 37.53 13.999 0.54 33.43 Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 3 Tenryu 47.43 16.764 0.62 21.38 JP CA 3 Katori 56.11 33.644 0.98 34.57 KM CA 3 Kolberg 46.76 14.806 0.54 21.18 RN CA 3 Caledon 48.63 18.258 0.72 22.59 SN CA 3 Bogatyr 51.14 22.697 0.75 29.46 SN CA 3 Aurora 41.80 16.053 0.50 20.72 US CA 3 St. Louis 50.61 20.248 0.71 29.54 Now the RN line powers up: Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 4 Kuma 48.48 18.451 0.53 16.77 JP CA 4 Yubari 54.56 27.815 0.79 28.24 JP CA 4 Iwaki Alpha 53.16 30.345 1.06 20.34 KM CA 4 Karlsruhe 48.77 15.046 0.44 18.29 RN CA 4 Danae 50.84 21.783 0.74 20.44 SN CA 4 Svietlana 48.47 19.978 0.58 19.36 US CA 4 Phoenix 48.17 17.383 0.47 17.72 Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 5 Furutaka 47.44 18.560 0.45 19.58 KM CA 5 Koenigsberg 48.66 20.301 0.50 19.67 RN CA 5 Emerald 49.40 25.071 0.71 22.78 SN CA 5 Kirov 46.77 21.567 0.46 20.46 SN CA 5 Murmansk 51.33 29.111 0.69 25.81 SN CA 5 Krasny Krym 49.16 25.951 0.69 11.04 US CA 5 Omaha 47.48 18.458 0.44 17.76 US CA 5 Marblehead 45.71 20.156 0.46 15.88 And now it gets borderline ridiculous: Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 6 Aoba 48.99 24.023 0.50 25.64 KM CA 6 Nurnberg 47.63 20.315 0.43 22.01 RN CA 6 Leander 56.20 39.715 0.97 37.29 SN CA 6 Budyonny 49.01 29.661 0.61 26.01 SN CA 6 Molotov 51.90 32.976 0.66 29.97 US CA 6 Cleveland 48.42 23.320 0.50 26.53 Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival JP CA 7 Myoko 47.92 31.112 0.57 29.55 JP CA 7 ARP Ashigara 46.73 31.790 0.60 27.98 JP CA 7 ARP Haguro 47.72 32.376 0.60 28.27 JP CA 7 ARP Myoko 52.61 39.891 0.76 30.09 KM CA 7 Yorck 47.01 24.653 0.46 27.38 RN CA 7 Belfast 53.34 45.280 0.96 37.96 RN CA 7 Fiji 54.81 51.589 1.17 39.76 SN CA 7 Shchors 48.15 36.004 0.65 26.83 US CA 7 Pensacola 46.02 24.339 0.44 27.10 US CA 7 Atlanta 51.49 29.090 0.70 23.98 US CA 7 Indianapolis 45.08 25.116 0.47 27.93 US CA 7 Flint 59.51 59.248 1.21 38.36 We all know the high tier cruisers are rather fine. Apart from that, the stats at this point don't matter. Good/unicum players are vastly overrepresented. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ast3lan Beta Tester 487 posts 3,850 battles Report post #43 Posted October 29, 2016 Perhaps the problem you are having with the British Cruisers is because you seem to have the attention span of a fish... you forgot what you even wrote. "We expirience with the British Cruisers total failure the same "experiment" WG team made in early days of importing German Cruisers (remember how aufull Koningsburg and Nurberg were in their first apearence)... But what happens with British Cruisers line is beyond a failure , beyond even from a bad taste JOKE made by WG..." Learn to play the class and enjoy the ships that are good. Königsberg was never awfull, in fact it was always an amazing ship. What the OP complains is no secret.. low tier the Brits are awfull, high tier they are boring as hell end of story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naeron66 Players 62 posts 1,247 battles Report post #44 Posted October 29, 2016 You britts need to chill. Firs i was listening at constant moaning "where is the rn" in every single post out there. Now you are blantering again since you are not happy with what they delivered. WG isnt happy regarding rn cl line and most likely they will fix it adding low dmg he. In the meantime, keep trolling to minimum... WG have stated that the line is for skilled players, meaning that they will underperform for most players, that is what people are annoyed about, and its a valid complaint. Low damage HE won't fix the issue as it will be pretty much useless against BBs. What is needed is normal damage HE with a low fire chance to compensate for higher RoF but high enough that it equals the chance over time of other cruisers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zerstoeroer Players 346 posts 8,599 battles Report post #45 Posted October 29, 2016 WG have stated that the line is for skilled players, meaning that they will underperform for most players, that is what people are annoyed about, and its a valid complaint. Low damage HE won't fix the issue as it will be pretty much useless against BBs. What is needed is normal damage HE with a low fire chance to compensate for higher RoF but high enough that it equals the chance over time of other cruisers. There already is too much HE spam going on in this game and, contrary to my earlier expectations, I feel that WG has done a decent job at trying to introduce something new. They just need to standardize this kind of AP shell or just avoid to make an unstandardized clusterfuck between multiple lines. These ships are for skilled players and I see no problem with that. And IMO any player can improve on them and learn a lot about gameplay in general. Because you have such a short range, you have to get close to the enemy, but you can only do that by positioning yourself properly, paying attention to where enemy capital ships are aiming, learning to use cover to maximize stealth firing time, not turning into the enemy uncovered (as so many cruiser players do, but the RN CAs do not easily forgive such an error), etc. By the way, it's interesting how well the Belfast is performing considering the fact that most Fiji players right now are experienced and above average players ( so the stats are very likely to drop in a few weeks) while Belfast is a premium accessible to anyone. Just take Tirpitz/Bismarck as a comparison and it becomes apparent. And people say it's not OP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #46 Posted October 29, 2016 <---- average player (even though I play a lot, I still often make noobish mistakes) Stats for RN Cruisers from when they came out to now on main account (= in cluding many battleswhile still learning how to play them) T1 Black Swan - 1 Battle / 1 Win / 100% winrate / 2 kills / 11.503 average damage/battle T2 Weymouth - 5 Battles / 3 Wins / 60% winrate / 3 kills / 17.135 average damage /battle T3 Caledon - 10 Battles / 5 Wins / 50% winrate / 9 kills / 27.024 average damage/battle T4 Danae - 25 Battles / 16 Wins / 64% winrate / 19 kills / 23.375 average damage/battle T5 Emerald - 27 Battles / 18 Wins / 67% winrate / 25 kills / 27.217 average damage/battle On my second account (Deckero_Maiko), I played the RN Cruisers, too, but this time mostly after already having some experience with how to play them T1 Black Swan - 1 Battle / 1 Win / 100% winrate / 1 kill / 6.091 average damage/battle T2 Weymouth - 4 Battles / 2 Wins / 50% winrate / 4 kills / 23.564 average damage /battle T3 Caledon - 10 Battles / 8 Wins / 80% winrate / 20 kills / 41.998 average damage/battle T4 Danae - 15 Battles / 9 Wins / 60% winrate / 21 kills / 35.558 average damage/battle T5 Emerald - 3 Battles / 2 Wins / 67% winrate / 5 kills / 40.267 average damage/battle So, dear OP (orin this case it should be UP?) if youdo not manage at least comparable stats, maybe you play these ships wrong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #47 Posted October 29, 2016 You can tell this guy didn't even have the patience to look at the actual ship stats past the hilarious superficial and misrepresenting ship ratings ... any effort trying to argue with a low attention span dude like this is wasted, he'll have forgotten all you've said by the time he starts typing his incredulous reply to your comment. Makes for good fun tho His post was spectacular..."Budyonni is more agile than Leander because its maneuverability rating is 60 while the leander is 50!!!" There's really nothing more to add after something like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogDodgeUK Alpha Tester 2,070 posts 1,152 battles Report post #48 Posted October 29, 2016 Comments and feedback, good or bad, about the RN cruisers are to be posted in this existing thread >click here< 2.5 Off Topic, spamming and trolling This category includes:• Creation of topics that already exist on the forum (Please use search and add to existing topics were possible) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
