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So... Why do Bismarck have those stupid secondaries?? The tirpitz and Bismarck was 100% identcal regarding main and secondary armament... The torpedoes is not an adventage.. the time it take to close the gap from 10.6 to 6km you have lost half your HP.. it is so extremely stupid..

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oh noes! my premium Derpitz isnt straight up overpowered compared to its regular line counterpart (which is admittedly unlike several other cases like Atago and MK) - gotta sharpen the ------E !

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Don't own a Tirpitz but those secondaries are idiotic either way. Massive exclusion zone and a direct counter-balance to aggressive gameplay unless you are sailing one yourself.

 

You don't encourage active gameplay by creating a ship nobody wants to approach. Right now in my North Carolina and Gneisenau it is see Bismarck and immediately vacate the area. I myself am an aggressive captain and have specced all of my BBs for secondaries (I earned a CQE against a Tirpitz in my North Carolina) and even I am willing to acknowledge that the Bismarck is a little silly when it comes to secondaries.

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Indeed i find them also a bit too strong for T8, range is equal to Yamato, and damage feels also as strong. Same goes for Gneissenau AA, that ship can get over 100 AA points.

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by creating a ship nobody wants to approach. Right now in my North Carolina and Gneisenau it is see Bismarck and immediately vacate the area

 

I'm gonna have to re-name my 'ex' to Bismarck cus you've summed her up and my re-action when she approaches.

 

I'm sure she would also benefit from a 'Torpedo' up the read end as well (although not mine of course)....

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People who is above average already knows how to deal with Bismarcks, take a note and try it by yourself. Its not that hard and gives variety to the gameplay so be blessful. Thanks

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Don't own a Tirpitz but those secondaries are idiotic either way. Massive exclusion zone and a direct counter-balance to aggressive gameplay unless you are sailing one yourself.

 

You don't encourage active gameplay by creating a ship nobody wants to approach. Right now in my North Carolina and Gneisenau it is see Bismarck and immediately vacate the area. I myself am an aggressive captain and have specced all of my BBs for secondaries (I earned a CQE against a Tirpitz in my North Carolina) and even I am willing to acknowledge that the Bismarck is a little silly when it comes to secondaries.

 

Very easy to rekt Bismarcks even within the 10,6 km of their laser-gun defence with the old Amagi. Most of german bb's show broadsides, thats 10-25k dmg with AP. If they angle, 5-20k with HE, plus fires AND destroyed sec. guns. Also, going brawl at short distances makes Amagi's citadel almost impossible to hit by german bb's :trollface:

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Don't own a Tirpitz but those secondaries are idiotic either way. Massive exclusion zone and a direct counter-balance to aggressive gameplay unless you are sailing one yourself.

 

You don't encourage active gameplay by creating a ship nobody wants to approach. Right now in my North Carolina and Gneisenau it is see Bismarck and immediately vacate the area. I myself am an aggressive captain and have specced all of my BBs for secondaries (I earned a CQE against a Tirpitz in my North Carolina) and even I am willing to acknowledge that the Bismarck is a little silly when it comes to secondaries.

 

If you're running away from a Bismarck in NC then you don't know how to play the NC. I play both of them and fear neither in each.

 

Yes, Bismarck's secondaries are great but it still takes them very long to kill a full HP DD, let a lone the one that is maneuvering. Just like on Tirpitz that has torpedoes, secondaries are there to supplement crappy gun dispersion up close. And any CV will eat you up for breakfast and ask for more since everyone and their mother went for full secondary spec. Not something that NC or manual AA Tirp / Amagi need to worry about vs. a T8 CV for the example. :trollface:

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Don't own a Tirpitz but those secondaries are idiotic either way. Massive exclusion zone and a direct counter-balance to aggressive gameplay unless you are sailing one yourself.

 

You don't encourage active gameplay by creating a ship nobody wants to approach. Right now in my North Carolina and Gneisenau it is see Bismarck and immediately vacate the area. I myself am an aggressive captain and have specced all of my BBs for secondaries (I earned a CQE against a Tirpitz in my North Carolina) and even I am willing to acknowledge that the Bismarck is a little silly when it comes to secondaries.

 

Bow on reversing NC can wreck a Bismarck from distance.

Trops from the Gneisenau can wreck a Bismarck.

 

Also the Bismarck is a counter to the passive gameplay, a sniping Bismarck is a useless Bismarck.

 

Spoiler alert: Stay at 11km distance from the Bismarck and his secondaries become useless.

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Here we go, another day, another snowflake crying. Run to mommy, uninstall the game and play Tetris if you can't handle this game.

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With those secondaries they don't even need to fire HE, maybe just move them to the RN tree? :trollface:

Ok but for real they really are too strong for a T8 ship.

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So... Why do Bismarck have those stupid secondaries?? The tirpitz and Bismarck was 100% identcal regarding main and secondary armament... The torpedoes is not an adventage.. the time it take to close the gap from 10.6 to 6km you have lost half your HP.. it is so extremely stupid..

 

... No, Tirpitz with Bisko secondaries would be just straight up upgrade over Bisko. The ship is perfectly fine as is. You can pick having short range torps or superior secondaries. All balanced.

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Bismarck is the only ship on where it's really worth speccing her for secondaries.

 

"Same secondary range as on the Yamato" *waaah waaaah* - When was the last time people intentionally come close to a Yamato? Yolorushers perhaps but if they want to charge suicidally for a ram or point blank torpedo run the Yamato secondaries won't save her either.

 

People need to learn how to deal with it. A Bismarck specced for secondaries will be mediocre at ranged sluggery. Keep her at arms length and you can outgun her rather easily. If the Bismarck charges ahead to get within brawling distance to make her secondaries work, then she's an easy target for all allied ships in the vicinity to focus. Don't think I have to elaborate on how fast even the toughest BB will sink when she gets focused by a couple ships. If the Bismarck is just allowed to recklessly charge ahead, then blame the lack of team cooperation and their abymsal target priorization rather than the Bismarck.

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Bismarck is the only ship on where it's really worth speccing her for secondaries.

 

Don't forget Warspite... fully upgraded secondaries are at ~7.6 km or so at T6. That can come as a nasty surprise for quite a few DDs with shorter torpedo range.

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Simple solution. If you think Bismarck secondaries are OP then sail a Bismarck. There's nothing stopping you.

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Don't forget Warspite... fully upgraded secondaries are at ~7.6 km or so at T6. That can come as a nasty surprise for quite a few DDs with shorter torpedo range.

 

Aye, but the secondaries still get serviced by drunk gunners unless it's a tier VII or higher ship with the manual secondaries captain skill and Warspite at tier VI can get severely hungover gunners at the very best ... I very much doubt the Warspite secondaries are potent enough to deal significant damage to say a DD that's bumrushing you for a close-up torpedo run.

 

The thing with the secondaries in this game is that at the tiers where they would be fun, they are crippled in range (and accuracy), at the tiers where they would be effective they are crippled in accuracy and by the time you get decent range and possibly accuracy (though only if you specifically train your captain for it), you're playing the high tiers where hardly anyone gets into brawls with the ships that have decent secondaries and you can consider yourself already lucky when not everyone is camping as far away from another as they possibly can.

 

The Bismarck hits just the sweetspot at tier VIII, where it benefits from the captain skills, has very good secondary range and still sees games were people having cultivated the turtling mentality yet so you actually get to use those secondaries with regularity.

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Aye, but the secondaries still get serviced by drunk gunners unless it's a tier VII or higher ship with the manual secondaries captain skill and Warspite at tier VI can get severely hungover gunners at the very best ... I very much doubt the Warspite secondaries are potent enough to deal significant damage to say a DD that's bumrushing you for a close-up torpedo run.

 

Wouldn't ever use that useless manual secondaries skill, as I would lose half of my secondaries firepower if they don't shoot on automatic.

And with 415 batlles in a Warspite I can assure you, that there have been quite a few DD captains that found out it is a bad choice to try to torp a Warspite.

Of course I've got torped often enough, too, when I messed up or wasn't carefull enough, but I can't remember a single time that a DD coming at me from behind managed to sink my Warspite.

 

And you are right - the Warspite's secondaries lack the "melting power" of the Bismarck's. But they are still quite nasty.

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So... Why do Bismarck have those stupid secondaries?? The tirpitz and Bismarck was 100% identcal regarding main and secondary armament... The torpedoes is not an adventage.. the time it take to close the gap from 10.6 to 6km you have lost half your HP.. it is so extremely stupid..

 

Torpedoes are not an advantage.  Ha.  That's news to me

 

Tell that to the Bismarck that I chased down in my Tirpitz while eating all his secondary hits and torped him in the face.

 

Secondaries are only a problem if you give them non-angled armour to hit and even if you do get set on fire you can repair it.

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Yea, ive said it before and ill do it again.

Bad player in any ship= bismarck secondaries OP

good player in any ship= enjoys bismarck weak armor and lack of torpedoes.

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Bismarck's secondaries arent a big issue.

 

Her massively OP sonar is. Removing the need of any sort of escort making the ship able to solo anything from DDs to other BBs.

 

I understand the sonar on the FDG and GK. They are HUGE and need it, but the Bis is a bit power creepy if you ask me. Like an amagi with a speed boost...

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Yea, ive said it before and ill do it again.

Bad player in any ship= bismarck secondaries OP

good player in any ship= enjoys bismarck weak armor and lack of torpedoes.

 

Bismarck's weak armor? What the heck are you smoking. Not gonna claim that Bismarck is OP(though the Hydro is a bit too strong imo), but claiming that the armor is weak is just utter nonsense.

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