British Cruiser pain

[indycar]

ITs just like British Tanks all over again in WoT. They were amazing all terrain infantry support vehicles and WG made them essentially crapup to like tier 7. First line and its light cruisers is just beyond me.

 

yup but u forgot bout the wowp.

 

Dasha was talking about some "special" AP rounds... its funny when DDs bounce those special rounds while they pen you with their HE.

ive watched some vids on u-tube and im really amazed with the best dd kiler tech tree...

 

 

so back to wt for few more months when we get our short ranged clumsy turtle like turrning turrets on some wooden tubs that butn better than thermite.

[Dirty_Filthy_Scrublord]

Ive posted on several threads on the subject of how bloody awful the RN cruiser line is. However, I have to admit that the T6 Leander is the first ship to be playable.

This is down to several things(IMO). The shells no longer arc like they were launched by NASA. Rather they now arc like they were launched by NASA but ran out of fuel very quickly.

And smoke!!! If used correctly it can give you an advantage, or can be a bloody torp magnet......

8km torps, and the rather pleasant and novel way you can fire them one at a time. Against a rushing cruiser/destroyer proper use can swing the fight your way.

But, and its the same "but" that almost everyone has pointed out....all of the RN cruisers are pitifully squishy, which so dramatically outweighs everything that they have in their favour.

And the second "but" that everyone else has pointed out MANY MANY times, AP only...oh what a magnificent idea that was(sarcasm).

To sum up, up to T5 I`d have to say they all suck runny sh1t through a sweaty sock, thats how awful they are.....T6 is a step in the right direction.

Not got T7 yet, but quite a few people say they get better as you get higher up the tree...I bloody hope so.

Over all though, still a disappointment.

[Ferry_25]

I love the ships! I felt it was time to seriously start grinding the German BB line now. Man! Her majesty's armor is great! Just thick enough to fuse my AP shells! Got 3 dev strikes in 3 games. 1 shot 2 or 3 of them! Keep m coming. Granted: 1 of them got me torped in a suicide run. Well played! But IMO they're DD's whithout HE spam but with a very nice citadel!

[WestWorld]

I love the ships! I felt it was time to seriously start grinding the German BB line now. Man! Her majesty's armor is great! Just thick enough to fuse my AP shells! Got 3 dev strikes in 3 games. 1 shot 2 or 3 of them! Keep m coming. Granted: 1 of them got me torped in a suicide run. Well played! But IMO they're DD's whithout HE spam but with a very nice citadel!

 

Dream on!

http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/530807562-Ferry_25/!/pvp/overview/

[Scarletsboy]

Wow these ships are bad i have been citadel by other BB and cruisers i play about 19 games so far and 6 out of them I have been either 1 shot or 2 shot from full HP not even time to use the heal perk,  

[DasTongle]

don`t bother trying to make it work it won`t, instead understand why it doesn't work

 

1. The AP only has nothing to do with historical accuracy or gameplay , but has everything to do with wanting to protect the Premium tier 7 and 8 battleships and giving them something to shoot at that can`t really damage them back

 2. The reason Belfast will be allowed to have HE is simply because its a premium ship and earns money for the company

 3. I feel pretty sure the accountants are happy with the new British line of cruisers and the game designers are "crying into their Vodka". After all nobody likes to build something that is deliberately flawed.

To 1 please gib German historical Accuracy..... Hood appoved please....

To 3 they may be flawed but i yet have to score below 50k of damage on them. The truth is they are hard to master but rewarding once you do master them. Her Majestys Ship Fiji is such a great cruiser the most fun in ages. I will attest to the way to tier 7 is a pain but any game beyond is worth every second.

 

[MrMikey]

For me the Black Swan is the best T1. But the next three seem poor compared to other cruisers at their level. Sure their gameplay is different & appreciate that - learning helps - it's all part of the game and I enjoy that. Take the Danae - started playing like a Karlsrhue - well that wasn't going to work, but when played more like a Yubari then works better. But it seems so far that, unlike most other ships, where each has a strong point (gun range, hit points, concelment, or torp range etc) the British cruisers don't have any strong point yest still have poor health. So hard to get kills & even decent damage, yet too easy to be killed. For me anyway the balance seems not quite right. Added with no HE unless you can hide behind an island & try to torp them, you must be very very wary of BBs! It's not miles off, just not quite right.

 

Sensed too that later in the day relatively fewer players were in these ships (say compared to the German BB line ) so got the feeling other players felt better playing other ships. May not have been the case but seemed like it. Hope not cos these could add exciting dimension to the game, if tweaked.

 

PS - loved the Containers addition & the container ship - nice touch

[Brett50]

I give these ships a month before only the die hards will be left playing them because regardless of what people say (I'm looking at you everyone that just spouts 'L2P noob' type crap) the ships just aren't fun to play so even if they have great stats across the server they won't be popular. The trouble is, because only the unicum, die hard players will be playing these ships, the server stats for them will look great so WG will either use the same old "our statistics show these ships are performing fine" or they'll say they're performing too well and nerf them......because reasons.

[KaLeuWillenbrock]

Fight dirty.

 

​if you do that, they can shine. A perfect ship for the typical internet-guy. Hide behind islands, use smoke and the firing arcs.

 

​a disgusting cruiser line and far away from what the royal navy should represent.

 

[Mahakmar]

Sadly you are just gonna be cannon fodder for most other cruisers-dd-battleships in royal navy cruisers atm , gotten up to the leander then i get faced vs cruisers-battleships having 3-6 km range advantage vs me , yeah fun times are not here

[Beardroid91]

Every ship up to the Leander was just garbage and useless, Leander is the first British cruiser i actually enjoy, the ones before it was painful as their tier 1-5's AP is useless, while tier 6 Leander gets a new AP shell that finally work and does damage consistently, can't wait to get Fiji tomorrow as i think the Leander is good but i know the Fiji got 50% more firepower, so should be worth the grind.

[Badameco]

Pretty sure this line wil be "re-worked" by WG, because "as is" it simply makes no sense and it wont be long until British Cruisers are a rare sight in the game.

 

By then, I would love to see the so called "experts" and "L2P" folks post that this line is marvellous and that they don´t want to see it changed....  

[VeteranGamer84]

My opinion about the RN CAs is that it's the worst cruisers WG offered till now(With the exception of Belfast CA). I feel that WG just didn't care about the RN CAs.

[DandyDozer]

I got suspision that WG wanted players to learn using AP:-)

[Diminios]

But hey, I'll play the Fiji, because it can work somewhat, not too sure about the rest,a nd will get the Belfast once WoWS have sold it to every other region first and EU/Brits last.

 

 

It's in the shop now. On EU. Not joking. NA doesn't have it yet. Even RU doesn't have it yet. Asia does, though, how disappointing.

[Spellfire40]

ITs just like British Tanks all over again in WoT. They were amazing all terrain infantry support vehicles and WG made them essentially crapup to like tier 7. First line and its light cruisers is just beyond me.

 

matilda, cromwell?  Just because the line is not easy to play dont mean its crap.

 

Ru DDs start out pretty weak too and see how often they had to be nerved once you get higher. RN low tir is pretty unforgiving but so is CA gameplay for any CA in a BB rich enviroment.

 

 

[Z_OnkelE]

The only issue I have with them so far: they are not as much fun as the German BBs when they came out. All those brawls, especially low tier, were just a blast. But with these new cruisers it feels a bit like tier 1 ships all the way up to T10: only one ammo type that does moderate damage. The special setting for the torpedo launchers are interesting though. Too bad I couldn't get them to work more often...

[Jethro_Grey]

 

How dare you bring common sense and reason to any of these threads....

 

Someone has to...and i dare.^^

 

ITs just like British Tanks all over again in WoT. They were amazing all terrain infantry support vehicles and WG made them essentially crapup to like tier 7. First line and its light cruisers is just beyond me.

 

Are people surprised about this?Just like in WoT, WG has crapped on the Brits.

In both games we have "different" types of guns.

In WoT you had high pen, relatively quick firing, low alpha and mega expensive rounds (from tier 8 upwards on expense). The rounds bounced so many times it was a joke. The tanks Armour was mediocre at best, crap as standard. All enemy tanks had to do was rush you to kill you.

In WoWS, you have "Different" AP, that will bounce with very little angling.  NO HE, relatively fast firing, low armour easily penned. All an enemy Cruiser has to to do angle and rush you to kill you. The only way Flamu killed that NO i his video was that the NO turned broadside at the last moment or he would have crapped all over the Edinburgh.

 

2 games, 1 Company, same Bullcrap. This will never change. 

 

Now there will be 1 or 2 gems in each tree, but that is it. Most will be very situational, just like in WoT. Some good players will make some ships work, most will probably struggle. Oh and don't expect any buffs this side of 2018. Possibly a nerf to Belfast though.

I'm not saying complaining is a bad idea, but some of the complaints read like they were surprised. Not me.

 

But hey, I'll play the Fiji, because it can work somewhat, not too sure about the rest,a nd will get the Belfast once WoWS have sold it to every other region first and EU/Brits last.

For some reason WG love crapping on the Brits, the US market is bigger I suppose, so they throw them a bone every now and then.

 

I beg to differ, the british tanks are different, no question but weak and situational? Well, this can be said about every line, and like with every line some of them are strong and a few are borderline OP.

And the situational tag can be applied to almost every cruiser in the game with a few exceptions in WoWS and certainly for most tanks in WoT.

If folks expect them to play like other lines, why even bother playing the Brits? Maybe WG should make one performance template for all ships, nobody could complain that ship X or line X is different from ship or line Y as thy would all play the same. Problem solved, everyone would be happy, as nobody would have to try to adjust...just like in real life, where folks just complain and whine if life throws something at them that they can't change. 

 

And we'd had a lot less "this line suxxors" threads (but maybe one or two "add diversity to the lines!" threads instead).^^

 

What we see here, is the same thing that happenmed when the german Cruiser line was released, the Russian DD line, the Russian Cruiser line and recently the german BB line.

And i'm pretty sure we'll see it when the next line gets released, so it would save a lot of time if we'd have a stickied thread with a poll and "This line suxx, pls buff" as topic title, in which folks can complain about each new line that gets released and make a vote on which line was the worst. Such a thread would be made of 10% win, 30% epicness and 60% tears. ^^

 

[damo74]

 

new line so obviously there will be butthurt players spamming whine threads the first day this new line is released ... happens on any forum when something is added to a game

 

" I'm a RN fanboi and want my ships to be OP af; deleting enemy ships with a single salvo while being invulnerable to Yamato-calibre shells "

 

 

Get knotted son. These lolships are no match for anything else at their tier. Wargaming call these things destroyer-killers, and yet destroyers can easily get citadel hits on these things.

[Pajosaurus]

Haven't played them yet, but why would RN CLs be advertised as destroyer killers? With those arcs and without radar? Sure, I can imagine Fiji and up being quite good at this, but I see no reason why they'd be better than Russians, Americans (both have radar; Russians have rail guns to boot), or Japanese with their phenomenal HE output and good camo. 

[damo74]

Pretty sure this line wil be "re-worked" by WG, because "as is" it simply makes no sense and it wont be long until British Cruisers are a rare sight in the game.

 

By then, I would love to see the so called "experts" and "L2P" folks post that this line is marvellous and that they don´t want to see it changed....  

 

isn't it funny how all the L2P shills, and all the "well-known" youtubers appear to have free Xp'ed at least half the line and gone straight to T7 upwards.

[Hazi_PL28]

 

English cruisers are fun, but you need to learn how to play them: P

 

[damo74]

English cruisers are fun, but you need to learn how to play them: P

 

How do you play them? You have to play the entire game as though you are always on your last 5% of health?

 

How is that fun or enjoyable? Hiding behind islands, smoke, anything because these ships are so fragile?

 

Are they glass cannons? Aren't glass cannons supposed to have decent.... cannons?

 

The cannons are trash, so they're glass pea-shooters.

 

 

[Hazi_PL28]

Whether you play alone or with someone?

[lup3s]

 

Get knotted son. These lolships are no match for anything else at their tier. Wargaming call these things destroyer-killers, and yet destroyers can easily get citadel hits on these things.

 

I'm only at T4 yet, but I think the Weymouth and Caledon are decent ships for their tier.

 

Perhaps you don't really know how to play with them.

 

:edit:

You haven't even played the RN CLs ... and you're complaining about them? go figure