RN Cruisers...

[Yaffle1234]

Never in the field of gaming history has so much been screwed up by so few to so many...

 

 

 

 

BUT cheer up, you to can become Admiral Craddock and re-create the Battle Of Coronel every 20 minutes or so whilst you happily grind away.

 

 

And now I find myself recalling the words the immortal words of Captain Frederick Bell 'Permission to revise list of spares' and so the RN limps away.

 

[LCpl75]

Let's be fair, most of the people trolling the complainers and calling you all RN fanboys are the people who's own lines benefit from the mediocrity of the RN line and don't want to see them buffed.

Smoke and mirrors...

 

[byronicasian]

never said it was historical that was just your assumption like a woman putting words in our mouths  GG 

 

Virtually everyone that accuses the devs of bias against the US and UK almost always bring up how it must be "historical" Cold-War grudges fueling the design decision. But alright, so what is the motive behind said anti-Anglo conspiracy then. 

[creamgravy]

 Leander, Fiji and Edinburgh are challenging for best in class.

 

They absolutely spank US and KM cruisers. (not T8 Cleveland)

[robihr]

i feel like i am in alternate universe.. BB shooting HE, and CL shooting AP... someone pls wake me up..

[von_Boeg]

 

No that's unfair. The Danae is a steaming turd. Emerald and caledon are just weak. Leander is passable. The rest are GOOD. Well that's my opinion. No need to go overboard and accuse WG of being anti British. Of course they aren't. WG want all lines to be fun in their own way. And for the higher tiers - not bad...

 

But tiers 3-6 are a horrible dead spot with "okish" ends. That for me is the problem with the line. And one I think needs addressing with dispersion/arc/RoF changes to make the dpm better and shooting more fun and less of a frustrating rage inducing pointless left clicking (Danae and emerald especially. But at least emerald can hide). 

 

Calling a spade a spade there are 3 ships which need rework to make them fun. Caledon Danae and emerald. Leander is probably ok. If it was me I'd just fix those insane arcs and you'd actually be able to hit things. But there's no need to start the WG conspiracy "they hate us" crap. Simply not true. 

 

To be fair, there is a bit of both in this.

 

Sure, they did not make this great plan to screw the RN, but they did not care enough to make the ships decent. This would never had happened to the RU cruiser line, and you know it.

 

 

If it's about historical grudges as your anti-British conspiracy suggests. Then the German BBs and Japanese BBs should've been at the bottom of the list in terms of performance. 

 

Now I do not think that the anti-British part is as important as the "the RN is not important so we do not care to bother"-part, but you are wrong. Russia won over both Germany and Japan, but lost the cold war to US/UK. The grudge is much more living against those countries.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

You guys have played or 'one shot' Omahas right? 

 

RN CLs are significantly better than most US cruisers.

 

Stop trolling.

[_GrimLock__]

To be honest ,one month ago met the edinburgh while in MK ,that guy couldnt escape from 6 to 7k he salvos from me .First he shoot ap at me ,damage was meh then he started raining he..Not even then was overpowered.Was that hard to give an he that makes damage to angled targets and at the same time have a very very low fire chance.Thats how u prevent youre "he spamming" because 100% thats not the problem! The fire spam ,thats the problem not the shell type 

Thats how you dont encourage long range spam,by giving a really small fire chance so its unreliable ,but he shells that do damage.Tnx maybe you take a peak over this WG

Ps:Since open beta when they nerfed Us dds fire chance did anyone complain that they spam fires?Not so

[SeaMonsterUK]

Found out were Wargaming get the Naval Weapons research from lmao

 

[byronicasian]

 

To be fair, there is a bit of both in this.

 

Sure, they did not make this great plan to screw the RN, but they did not care enough to make the ships decent. This would never had happened to the RU cruiser line, and you know it.

 

 

Now I do not think that the anti-British part is as important as the "the RN is not important so we do not care to bother"-part, but you are wrong. Russia won over both Germany and Japan, but lost the cold war to US/UK. The grudge is much more living against those countries.

 

So the country that caused one of their home country's most humiliating naval defeats and the other country that was literally the cause of some 10+ million deaths with brutality coming close to what the Japanese did in China (something that the still Chinese aren't letting go) somehow stings less than losing a bloodless "Cold War". 

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

LOL, how much free XP is need to get to tier 7? Anyone know?

 

More than I care to spend as this line is a spit in the face.

[_GrimLock__]

Yeah because WG devs associate HE=fires,not always ,this type of shells is use by competent players to do damage on heavy angled targets ,not derping around

[Admiral_noodle]

 

More than I care to spend as this line is a spit in the face.

 

Seriously don't take it personally. It's a ball drop at mid tier in my opinion. No one in WG is deliberately trolling RN fans or British people... they just aren't  Best we can do is go out, wreck every mid tier RNCL we see. Ruin their stats and show WG that attention is required

[Admiral_noodle]

Clearly this has nothing to do with world politics and nationalism. If the thread is going that way (started by the brits as well) then that's the end of the thread.

[avenger121]

Looking at the Minotaur stats, holy shít WG, you guys really made sure that the Minotaur is far from weak.

 

 

- AA even better than the DM AA

- better heal than the T10 BBs

- RoF is insane

- by far the best torpedo setup from all T10 cruisers

- stealthier than the Zao

- turns turrets faster than USN DDs

- more agile than it´s T10 peers

- by far the best consumable setup from all T10 cruisers

 

 

 

- just like the Hindenburg the Minotaur relies on AP, although the insane RoF and turret turn rate makes it far easier to use the small time frames the enemy is broadside to you, not forgetting that the Minotaur spews roughly 3.1 times the amount of shells and still has like 55% of the Hindenburgs AP dmg while also possessing far better ricochet angles and and the AP shells fuze a lot faster

[tajj7]

I'd go with the more they just don't really care that much to give them proper attention. 

 

Basically no ignorant nationalistic Russian bloke is going to make a fuss about them, so they won't make a fuss about them. Same as WOTs, the Russian cluster forums almost broke when the IS-6 first went into HD because it looked like it might have been nerfed (it wasn't) so the delayed the whole thing and buffed it later on, even though the tank was already OP.

 

it's just purely about the audience they are aiming stuff at and that audience is Russians mainly for WG and they are a patriotic bunch who buy into the hype. So they feed that hype to feed their wallets.

 

There just probably aren't enough Brits playing the game that they need to give them that much attention or time to to the nation. 

 

 

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

 

Seriously don't take it personally. It's a ball drop at mid tier in my opinion. No one in WG is deliberately trolling RN fans or British people... they just aren't  Best we can do is go out, wreck every mid tier RNCL we see. Ruin their stats and show WG that attention is required

 

Nah, the bad british lines have happened too many time in both WoT and now WoWS for it to be random or caused by incompetence - I can't see it should be anything but ill will towards the british due to the historical rivalry and bad relations which the russians/soviets eventually lost and now the british are being ridiculed and punished in russian/soviet games.

[robihr]

Looking at the Minotaur stats, holy shít WG, you guys really made sure that the Minotaur is far from weak.

 

 

- AA even better than the DM AA

- better heal than the T10 BBs

- RoF is insane

- by far the best torpedo setup from all T10 cruisers

- stealthier than the Zao

- turns turrets faster than USN DDs

- more agile than it´s T10 peers

- by far the best consumable setup from all T10 cruisers

 

 

 

- just like the Hindenburg the Minotaur relies on AP, although the insane RoF and turret turn rate makes it far easier to use the small time frames the enemy is broadside to you, not forgetting that the Minotaur spews roughly 3.1 times the amount of shells and still has like 55% of the Hindenburgs AP dmg while also possessing far better ricochet angles and and the AP shells fuze a lot faster

 

if you can be covered all the time and enemy is providing you with broadside it is too damn op.. otherwise.. meh...

[naztb]

All downloaded ready to go as soon as server went online. So hear is an opinion from an average players point of view 

 

Tier 1 Black Swan Fast firing short range and high arcs but no better or worse than any other tier 1 ship. Did notice that due to mostly Black Swans in Tier 1 games I was scoring around 6 citadels a game which is unusually high (for me anyway)

 

Tier 2 Weymouth does not fire as fast still has high arcs performed OK against other Weymouth's you encounter Tier 3 ships which are way harder to damage and don't forget you will meet seal clubbers In Ships like St Louis and Kolberg also DDS and Kawachi. Holds its own at same tier not so good against Tier 3 

 

Tier 3 Caledon Bad dispersion and shells seem to just miss at last second due to flight time OK against Tier 3 any tier 4 angled you get problems with penetration and seem to bounce even bounce off DD. Make the S. Carolina look way OP

 

Tier 4 Danae Fast and maneuverable though suffers the same problems as the Caledon throw CV into the mix when you have poor AA and you can die quickly. Nice handling but apart from that i'm not enjoying the grind to Emerald. BBs Kaiser, Myogi and Wyoming are big problems as are some of other nation cruisers. Guns start to suffer badly due to non penetration even to broadside of ship you get bounces and lack of HE shells becomes a problem. The majority of Tier 4 and 5 ships can do a lot of damage to you. You can still get a bit of damage done but most of it is to other RN Ships

 

[Capra76]

 

Seriously don't take it personally. It's a ball drop at mid tier in my opinion. No one in WG is deliberately trolling RN fans or British people...............

 

It's exactly what I feared the moment I heard about the re-design, a rushed, half-baked line that's no-where near competitive that gets released anyway so they can move on to the next project.

 

Would WG dare to treat the RU ships in the same way?

[Admiral_noodle]

 

Nah, the bad british lines have happened too many time in both WoT and now WoWS for it to be random or caused by incompetence - I can't see it should be anything but ill will towards the british due to the historical rivalry and bad relations which the russians/soviets eventually lost and now the british are being ridiculed and punished in russian/soviet games.

 

right. Well I don't believe this in the slightest but never mind. You know there were several reworks of the line right? You know that means lots of work and rework for the devs?extra hours etc? No puts that much effort into trolling. 

 

Anyway here is my own personal fun rating for every tech tree cruiser I've played or tested. I believe it shows my issue with the Royal Navy  ships. The whole line isn't bad. But that's a big ugly mid tier no fun zone...

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

 

right. Well I don't believe this in the slightest but never mind. You know there were several reworks of the line right? You know that means lots of work and rework for the devs?extra hours etc? No puts that much effort into trolling. 

 

Anyway here is my own personal fun rating for every tech tree cruiser I've played or tested. I believe it shows my issue with the Royal Navy  ships. The whole line isn't bad. But that's a big ugly mid tier no fun zone...

 

Nice list however depressing to behold.

[avenger121]

 

if you can be covered all the time and enemy is providing you with broadside it is too damn op.. otherwise.. meh...

 

Well, the Hindenburg is just as reliant on the enemy showing broadside, in fact the Hindenburg has it far harder abusing broadside enemies due to far lower RoF, far lower turret turn rate and worse ricochet angles. On the other hand the Hindenburg has at least HE, although they are pretty shitty, but the Minotaur outclasses all the other T10 cruisers in every aspect except for the missing HE.

 

Looks a bit like the russian T10 meds to me, their small alpha looks meh but that is the only weakness, in every other category they are either top or at least above average, just like the Minotaur has no HE but in every other category this ship is insane. Damn, looks like I better start go grind now, and not wait nearly a year only to see the T10 nerfed before I could reach it, just like it happend with the Khabarovsk to me.

 

 

 

Admiral_noodle, on 20 October 2016 - 03:11 PM, said:

............ But that's a big ugly mid tier no fun zone...

 

Hmmm, really nice high tier ships with shitty mid tier ones, certainly no incentive to buy gold and use free XP. It´s all coincidence.

[von_Boeg]

 

right. Well I don't believe this in the slightest but never mind. You know there were several reworks of the line right? You know that means lots of work and rework for the devs?extra hours etc? No puts that much effort into trolling. 

 

Anyway here is my own personal fun rating for every tech tree cruiser I've played or tested. I believe it shows my issue with the Royal Navy  ships. The whole line isn't bad. But that's a big ugly mid tier no fun zone...

 

I am afraid that the list in question might say quite a lot about the cruisers, since it matches my statistical analysis of the former four cruiser lines quite good.

[Traumat1c]

i just believe that something is wrong why is it always the british lines and the best part half off the people posting here are like 

HAHHAHA IM GONNA SEAL CLUB and beat on RN low tiers cause they suck.

 

Way to be a giant [edited]thats all i can say to anyone that thinks thats funny wouldnt be funny if it was your favourite nations line but hey ho 

 

lets all make a [edited]joke out of the british line cause thats what half of you seem to be doing trying to justify why our cruiser line is crap for the most part.

 

Sure tier 7 is alright and tier 8 is great the rest are meh but getting to tier 7 most people unless free xping are just gonna say fak that .