RN Cruisers...

[Admiral_noodle]

Gudgeon, on 20 October 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:

I have just seen Nikolai's prowling....mine is being fueled and armed as we speak.

 

 

 

Yup, there are a few monsters prowling...

 

 

 

A ST should know better...I am very sorry. 

[Admiral_noodle]

 

At least she's the only tier X Cruiser with no secondaries. Gotta count for something right? Gotta keep them unique and all 

 

 

 

Whereas the mid tier RN cruisers have amusingly good secondaries when dds come sneaking too near your smoke. Which is entertaining. I don't have enough  free xp to skip to Leander (where the thoughts on the ships start to split) so I'll need to go through the disappointing emerald and the *worse than Karlsruhe* Danae. 

[tajj7]

 

Whereas the mid tier RN cruisers have amusingly good secondaries when dds come sneaking too near your smoke. 

 

They obviously found some HE for those.  I have this vision of thousands of 6 inch HE shells sitting on a quayside somewhere. 

[Capra76]

Took the Konig out for a spin just now, 5 x BB each side, 1 x Emerald on our side and I think the opposition had an Emerald and a Leander...........

 

......ON THE DAY OF RELEASE!........

 

WG, you have really f***ed this up. 

[SerPurr]

 

Whereas the mid tier RN cruisers have amusingly good secondaries when dds come sneaking too near your smoke. Which is entertaining. I don't have enough  free xp to skip to Leander (where the thoughts on the ships start to split) so I'll need to go through the disappointing emerald and the *worse than Karlsruhe* Danae. 

 

I'm no expert on paper designs or the weaponry of the Minotaur but even for a noob it seems pretty clear to me these guns were totally intended as Dual Purpose guns (as was the main battery ofc). So what happened? It's already a spammer, surely having 4x2 pow-pow-pow secondary miniguns wouldn't have made that much of a difference balance-wise since by the time you can use them, you're pretty much in mortal danger anyways. Weird. I would have loved a short range Atlanta strapped on either side. Seems totally fitting for the ship. Just some nice fireworks to watch while your main battery shells travel to their target via China. 

 

 

[Chuckabutty]

Okay, after 5 games i already gave up on this lol. These ships get nuked by just about everything. its impossible to play them without frustration. Every random salvo citadelles you and HE does max dmg no matter where it hits. A königsberg sank my Emerald in two salvos from Full HP, i got insta-oneshot by a König at 16km becasue 3 hits and all 3 citadelle, a Bouge hit me for 13k ! dmg with a bombing run just shorty after getting nuked by another Citadelle. Also i cant seem to do any dmg to anything in it. Games are full of Königs, New Yorks and Wyomings, they just utterly destory you with the first hit they land and you can do nothing in return. 5 games, avarage dmg of 3k .. No thanks

 

Ill make a big circle around these ships. Gonna go back to grind the Russian CA line.

 

I've done the same. Not fun. Not entertaining. Not worth playing just to be an XP pinata for everyone else. They have no counter to any ship approaching at an angle. Just worthless.

[Admiral_noodle]

Took the Konig out for a spin just now, 5 x BB each side, 1 x Emerald on our side and I think the opposition had an Emerald and a Leander...........

 

......ON THE DAY OF RELEASE!........

 

WG, you have really f***ed this up. 

 

Give people a chance! Most people won't have logged on yet. Wait till the evening. Games played at each tier with each ship as well as WR and damage will be interesting over the coming weeks. 

 

The problem (apart from poor or at best average ships tier 3-6) is the unique play style. Nothing wrong with unique. But. The ships "aren't for everybody" in terms of fun. And yet they have a large appeal... not sure that was the cleverest plan ever...

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

Do we know why this line was not released on PT server?

 

If it had been no one would be playing the line now.

[Panocek]

 

Give people a chance! Most people won't have logged on yet. Wait till the evening. Games played at each tier with each ship as well as WR and damage will be interesting over the coming weeks. 

 

The problem (apart from poor or at best average ships tier 3-6) is the unique play style. Nothing wrong with unique. But. The ships "aren't for everybody" in terms of fun. And yet they have a large appeal... not sure that was the cleverest plan ever...

 

[fighting_falcon93]

 

Personally I think that they can keep AP only, but they should get atleast as flat shell arc as the soviet ships and atleast be able to be relatively safe from citadels when sailing bow/stern on. Then I also have to question the penetration system. I think we can all understand why the hull bounces when it's angeled, but why does the superstructure bounce so much even when shot from the bow/stern? 

 

[von_Boeg]

The problem (apart from poor or at best average ships tier 3-6) is the unique play style. Nothing wrong with unique. But. The ships "aren't for everybody" in terms of fun. And yet they have a large appeal... not sure that was the cleverest plan ever...

 

Let us be fair here and call a spade a spade:

 

These ships are not "challenging" or anything of the kind, they are just pure and simple total turds. We have been waiting for the RN forever, and THIS is what you deliver, it is so insulting that I can not find words for it. Anyone working for WG or otherwise connected to WG who also okayed this are wither brazenly anti-British or just insane.

[tajj7]

Personally I think that they can keep AP only, but they should get atleast as flat shell arc as the soviet ships and atleast be able to be relatively safe from citadels when sailing bow/stern on. Then I also have to question the penetration system. I think we can all understand why the hull bounces when it's angeled, but why does the superstructure bounce so much even when shot from the bow/stern? 

 

Yeh I'd go with this, increase the shell velocities so they are like best in class or near best in class and maybe buff the bow armour so they bow in a bit and bounce some shots.

 

 

[SerPurr]

It feels a bit like they have balanced these things as if they were intended for Light tanks in WoT as opposed to WoWs. Personally I would have been fine with either AP only or very fragile ships but it's the combination of both of these extremes that will make most players feel like they are sailing a bottle of nitroglycerin instead of a warship. Add to that already lethal combination the fact that the announced 'DD-killers' is to be taken with a truckload of salt and you really start wondering what exactly this line brings to the table that couldn't have possibly be mitigated in a more appeasing format. I can easily suck the odd dozen of combinations out of my thumb and my guess is the list of 'ideas' that's residing somewhere in a WG binn contains a multitude of that. It just baffles me why someone somewhere deemed this to be a solid choice for the line its 'unique' trade. Of course it's not done with malicious intend but it takes a good dose of relativation to overlook that at times.

 

[Traumat1c]

it feels a bit like they just hate british.

 

Just like when they made us wait even longer for  the ship the dev specifically said now you can wait even longer.

 

Good times anti british staff

[creamgravy]

You guys have played or 'one shot' Omahas right? 

 

RN CLs are significantly better than most US cruisers.

[SeaMonsterUK]

They need a buff, the AP is deadly inconsistent at times, and they need HE, seriously, who thought of not giving them HE?

[Traumat1c]

lol creamgravy not sure what dream land your living in atleast the us cruisers do damage it aint so much to do with the paper armor its the fact gun arcs suck travel speed sucks doesnt pen and no he complain and whine all you want about how we are unhappy with british cruisers but you cant compare them to any off the other cruisers the russians were painful slightly but nothing like this unless you can free xp to tier 6 where the grind gets a little more remotely bareable then its pointless even playing the line

[Admiral_noodle]

 

Let us be fair here and call a spade a spade:

 

These ships are not "challenging" or anything of the kind, they are just pure and simple total turds. We have been waiting for the RN forever, and THIS is what you deliver, it is so insulting that I can not find words for it. Anyone working for WG or otherwise connected to WG who also okayed this are wither brazenly anti-British or just insane.

 

No that's unfair. The Danae is a steaming turd. Emerald and caledon are just weak. Leander is passable. The rest are GOOD. Well that's my opinion. No need to go overboard and accuse WG of being anti British. Of course they aren't. WG want all lines to be fun in their own way. And for the higher tiers - not bad...

 

But tiers 3-6 are a horrible dead spot with "okish" ends. That for me is the problem with the line. And one I think needs addressing with dispersion/arc/RoF changes to make the dpm better and shooting more fun and less of a frustrating rage inducing pointless left clicking (Danae and emerald especially. But at least emerald can hide). 

 

Calling a spade a spade there are 3 ships which need rework to make them fun. Caledon Danae and emerald. Leander is probably ok. If it was me I'd just fix those insane arcs and you'd actually be able to hit things. But there's no need to start the WG conspiracy "they hate us" crap. Simply not true. 

[damo74]

you really start wondering what exactly this line brings to the table

 

 

Belly laughs for the opposing team usually.

[damo74]

But there's no need to start the WG conspiracy "they hate us" crap. Simply not true. 

 

All the evidence suggests otherwise.

[SeaMonsterUK]

 

All the evidence suggests otherwise.

 

I disagree, I think they were experimenting and failed badly.

[Traumat1c]

just like they did with world of tanks with oh wait british line and never fixed xD 

nah trends are trends simple as people wanted british ships so badly the devs got so pissed off they even wrote a essay post saying they dont care about british ships and that we would be put even further behind now 1 year on and we get to see just how much they think the royal navy was made off xD 

 

GJ 

[Admiral_noodle]

 

All the evidence suggests otherwise.

 

There is no evidence. Unless you're paranoid. 

 

It's an ongoing experiment. Which half worked IMO. Sadly it didn't low-mid tier hence overwhelming dissatisfaction with the line so far.

 

I would like to see people. Especially the brits stop thinking it's a conspiracy and whining because the Royal Navy is special (it is. But actually RN ships were rarely the best in terms of armour) - and saying "it's not fair WG hate us". They don't. They wanted a CL line because they want to add something different. We need to feedback on whether different is good if it's fun. If it's OP or UP, but the WG anti British theories should stop. Especially from the brits. /rant 

[LCpl75]

Lord_Holland_of_Wessex, on 20 October 2016 - 08:50 AM, said:

Do we know why this line was not released on PT server?

 

If it had been no one would be playing the line now.

 

An accurate assessment.

 

Personally I think that they can keep AP only, but they should get atleast as flat shell arc as the soviet ships and atleast be able to be relatively safe from citadels when sailing bow/stern on. Then I also have to question the penetration system. I think we can all understand why the hull bounces when it's angeled, but why does the superstructure bounce so much even when shot from the bow/stern? 

 

This too. We're firing shells, not mortars.

 

Architekton, on 20 October 2016 - 02:20 PM, said:

you really start wondering what exactly this line brings to the table

 

 

Belly laughs for the opposing team usually.

 

I've noticed. I'm literally going to spend the next few days in my Russian DD's and German CA's annihilating my own country's ships.

[Admiral_noodle]

FYI new lines are never tested on PT prior to release.