[BAZI] allufewig Beta Tester 2,912 posts 15,263 battles Report post #76 Posted October 20, 2016 well today officially sucks all other countries laugh at us cause our ships are portraited as crap....Enjoy laughing at us in real life our ships were not this poop. This is exactly what I meant when I said "salt of the british" and "too great expectations". These opinions are not neutral enough to be taken serious imho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tajj7 Beta Tester 1,210 posts 1,486 battles Report post #77 Posted October 20, 2016 One thing I don't really get is why if you make these Cruisers AP only, do they not then have good shell speed? Surely if you are making specialist AP cruisers you'd give them really fast shell speed, they should surely (aside damage because they are 6 inch guns) have all the best AP characteristics of any cruiser, so fast shell travel speed, the specialist characteristics and really high pen for 6 inch guns. Makes no sense to me that the German and Russian cruisers have much better shell velocity (and possibly pen?) when both those lines have the HE option. Fine to go AP only, but those AP shells should be the best damn 6 inch AP shells in the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #78 Posted October 20, 2016 One thing I don't really get is why if you make these Cruisers AP only, do they not then have good shell speed? Surely if you are making specialist AP cruisers you'd give them really fast shell speed, they should surely (aside damage because they are 6 inch guns) have all the best AP characteristics of any cruiser, so fast shell travel speed, the specialist characteristics and really high pen for 6 inch guns. Makes no sense to me that the German and Russian cruisers have much better shell velocity (and possibly pen?) when both those lines have the HE option. Fine to go AP only, but those AP shells should be the best damn 6 inch AP shells in the game. In terms of shell fuze and angle they can pen at they are the best. They aren't really AP shells but "SAP" or "semi AP" which is a hybrid AP/HE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-AWF-] von_Boeg Players 1,207 posts 6,812 battles Report post #79 Posted October 20, 2016 The sad part is that a lot of us knew this would happen from the very start. However, as soon as anybody said anything we got the "but they are not released yet, wait and see" from the usual suspects. "They will be great in the end", they told us. They are not, and anybody that said that we should wait and see and that the Russian trolls att WG would not screw over RN yet again should be very quiet now. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[__] Kais_S012 Beta Tester 742 posts 1,694 battles Report post #80 Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) well done wargaming, once again it seems you have done your utmost to discourage your patrons from even looking at any thing British in your games. Everything up to tier 5 (so far) is a joke, your 'improved' AP bounces off any target that is not 90° to your guns (+/-10°) 90% of the time. NO ONE asked for the RN to be overpowered, all we wanted was for them to be competitive and fun to play like all the other cruisers in game, these ships are neither In terms of shell fuze and angle they can pen at they are the best. They aren't really AP shells but "SAP" or "semi AP" which is a hybrid AP/HE if that was the case we would have at least a 5% chance of causing a fire to balance the fact these shell do diddly squat to to anyone more than 10 degrees angled towards/against you Edited October 20, 2016 by Mymeara 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-END-] SgtToad Beta Tester 100 posts 5,912 battles Report post #81 Posted October 20, 2016 jesus, i just looked at the shell speeds for tier 9 and 10... what an unmitigated fcuking joke. Someone above makes quite a crucial point, if you have to get within torp range or sit in smoke, why wouldnt you just play a Russian DD? Smaller, faster, more maneuverable, faster shells, and can spam HE. The whole concept of this line is bullsh*t. Just got wrecked bya kutuzov in about 10 seconds. Arcs are so bad hitting a DD at 8km is a challenge. Then when you do it does bugger all. Why the Brit lines... why... every fcuking time Wargaming... 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike_Chaffin Players 61 posts 3,392 battles Report post #82 Posted October 20, 2016 Hmmm... Is there something I don't get about the Russian sense of humour or are these ( up to Tier 5) merely a crude, abusive and calculated insult? If the former then it's not a sense of humour that I understand or share. The latter then well done chaps, you truly have shat upon us from a great height and I hope you enjoy it. No really, I wish you all the best time as an insult of this magnitude takes my breath away. Well done, a proud moment for the devs. My apologies if I've read it wrong or there is a niche or option I haven't considered. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-END-] SgtToad Beta Tester 100 posts 5,912 battles Report post #83 Posted October 20, 2016 Disagree. I found the tier 7/8/9/10 as all good and all much fun. They are light cruisers. They do get wrecked easily but have smoke and repair. The Minotaur was the most fun I have had in a tier X and Edinburgh is challenging for my favourite ship (non premium) The tier 3 is "alright" given the other tier 3s. You can beat a St. Louis you need to know how. But the tier 4 is awful the tier 5 is weak and the tier 6 is average (not as awful). But even with the "terrible" Danae I can play her so that I am as good as I am in any other tier 4 cruiser. The only real objection I had was that they are too much work and not much fun to play well. But some people will like that game play. Question is how many. In terms of "keepers" for me the line has 3. Fiji, Edinburgh and Minotaur. It's just a shame I feel that all the meh/bad ships are clustered together. The entire line isn't garbage. But the tier 4 is and the 5 and 6 are hard work (but can be effectively). cani ask what differences are betwene fiji and edinburgh, and are they enough to make Edin worth playing a tier higher? Not sure whether to waste yet more free exp on these ships... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tajj7 Beta Tester 1,210 posts 1,486 battles Report post #84 Posted October 20, 2016 In terms of shell fuze and angle they can pen at they are the best. They aren't really AP shells but "SAP" or "semi AP" which is a hybrid AP/HE Still though, if it's your only option you'd think they would be topping every category. Would be an obvious buff to me, have faster shells and lower arcs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister_Greek Supertester 1,046 posts 4,551 battles Report post #85 Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) The Minotaur was the most fun I have had in a tier X and Edinburgh is challenging for my favourite ship (non premium) Edited version: Grapa Edited October 21, 2016 by Mister_Greek 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SerPurr Beta Tester 722 posts 16,744 battles Report post #86 Posted October 20, 2016 cani ask what differences are betwene fiji and edinburgh, and are they enough to make Edin worth playing a tier higher? Not sure whether to waste yet more free exp on these ships... Wondering the same thing here. From what I can tell Edinburgh obviously gets access to the concealment module and is the first ship to get 10km torps, however your citadel is even longer and you loose quite a bit of turn radius. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[3X] Spithas Players 887 posts 12,804 battles Report post #87 Posted October 20, 2016 I disagree so much on this Noodle. The ship is entirely dependent on the enemy stupidity. If you come up to a single enemy who is mediocre, you will get wrecked. You cannot have a T10 ship that is completely unable to take initiative. Minotaur is so situational it really hurts . A decent Moskva captain can wreck you as Flamu witnessed recently. Until i see proper gameplay utilizing the turret rotation and maneuverability of the ship and not just the epicly fail smoke sitting i will not pass judgement on the Minotaur. A ship that has 8.8km detection and people pick smoke over Radar on it? and no-one so far has tried making use of it's epic turning and accelerating... Think of it like this: If it can survive like an Omaha vs BBs in it's tier then it doesn't need the smoke. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_UKW_] TycBrum Players 387 posts 8,680 battles Report post #88 Posted October 20, 2016 Complete useless without HE option. It limits your tactics, prevents meaningful damage to anything with armor and therefore your left with no options whereas with EVERY other ship you could at least do fire damage or module damage with HE. Whoever thought this was the answer wants sacking ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SerPurr Beta Tester 722 posts 16,744 battles Report post #89 Posted October 20, 2016 I disagree so much on this Noodle. The ship is entirely dependent on the enemy stupidity. If you come up to a single enemy who is mediocre, you will get wrecked. You cannot have a T10 ship that is completely unable to take initiative. Minotaur is so situational it really hurts . A decent Moskva captain can wreck you as Flamu witnessed recently. What I'm trying to understand (and failing at it kinda big time) is how on earth this line is supposed to back WG's claim they want to make cruisers more fun to play (or better, or whatever...dunno who said what exactly anymore but at least it was something along the lines of 'Yeah we know CA's are not exactly super popular atm and we tend to address that soon -and then a load of useless rambling about the new ruddershift module which must be invented by someone on crack). I mean clearly this line is shaping up to be completely masochistic for every average player. I have no doubt they might work in capable hands. Hell, they even might just 'work'...but how is this 'fun'?? Why hasn't the person who insisted on the ships being AP-only not simply be thrown of a bridge after some tests? Why do the upcoming premiums HAVE HE (just reading that as a clear understatement WG damn well knows a AP-only CL is way too specialist to be mainstream). Confusing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_GrimLock__ Players 371 posts 8,020 battles Report post #90 Posted October 20, 2016 they are so so nice so nice that they can shove them in their a** without the fear of getting anal burns because they dont have HE ammo Who design this ship and decided lets stick only with ap should try and play something else than co op with bots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister_Greek Supertester 1,046 posts 4,551 battles Report post #91 Posted October 20, 2016 I mean clearly this line is shaping up to be completely masochistic for every average player. I have no doubt they might work in capable hands. Hell, they even might just 'work'...but how is this 'fun'?? The summary of the RN CL in a nutshell.... How is this fun? I don't know.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myrmix Players 949 posts 4,642 battles Report post #92 Posted October 20, 2016 The RN is so situational because of the lack of HE. They are more escortships than even the US-line (a BB will love you for providing smoke and decent AA...at least the good BB-players) Srsly: anyone ever tried to accompany an aggressive BB-captain throught the game in a cruiser? You might be surprised. And now the german cruiser-HE isn't the worst in the game...at least they have HE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_UKW_] TycBrum Players 387 posts 8,680 battles Report post #93 Posted October 20, 2016 The summary of the RN CL in a nutshell.... How is this fun? I don't know.... They arent in their current state and will be a laborious grind - no fun to be had with this line - complete failure by WG imho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt_Mic Beta Tester 70 posts 7,809 battles Report post #94 Posted October 20, 2016 My first impresions up to tier IV and looking at tier V I'v met is line of "Karlsruhe" / "Krasny Krym" :/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SerPurr Beta Tester 722 posts 16,744 battles Report post #95 Posted October 20, 2016 And now the german cruiser-HE isn't the worst in the game...at least they have HE Don't forget to add the Germans also have shellsspeeds that don't force you to lead out of your aimscale for just about any dd going above 32knots when at 10km. Above 10km and it's just pray and spray Didn't I read somewhere this line was comprised out of excellent DD killers? That's like when the dd's don't move I suppose or so? Or else I can't make any sense out of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeoJolt Beta Tester 16 posts Report post #96 Posted October 20, 2016 Played last night on the NA server and reached tier 4, and have got to say i'm disappointed with them so far. Tier 2 Weymouth is easily the worst ship of its tier, but at this tier you shouldn't have to deal with it for to long. Tier 3 Caledon, out classed by all tier 3 cruisers and easy to citadel by just firing HE at it. Tier 4 Danae only played a couple of games in it and was the first ship in the line that seemed playable. Possibly not the worst ship of its tier, but defiantly not the best. Playing a battleship at these tiers your pretty much untouchable. Playing as a destroyer you're able to charge these ships down and torp them with low risk to yourself. Can't comment on their AA ability, as few CV's in the games I had. Hopefully the higher tiers will get better, just wish that WG would have put this line on the test server first so they could get more feed back on them before they went live. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_i2RxUTEMphjW Players 894 posts Report post #97 Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) 130mm HE penetrates Caledon and Danae with ease. I sense weeks of fun for my Bogatyr. Edited October 20, 2016 by anonym_i2RxUTEMphjW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_GrimLock__ Players 371 posts 8,020 battles Report post #98 Posted October 20, 2016 (edited) Well now i fully understand Aerroon when i met him in the minotaur while the moskva.Me citadels everywere lad,bow stern angled ...Him lets say i could had made myself a nice coffee ,read the newest news and when i had return back my hp was mostly the same. Plus WG u see that flat part in the stern?That part is a sign of butt citadel me.I say this because u clearly design this game...but its also 'clearly' that you dont play it(il be ratter bafled if u know how to launch the game). If u are not paying respects for players at least do it for the respective nation.The bad part they will say "By our stats are ok".... Edited October 20, 2016 by Brkdelta 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryuuteimaru Players 503 posts 4,703 battles Report post #99 Posted October 20, 2016 Only time you'll kill DD in those ships is if they don't know what WASD is and sail in a straight line for extended time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_UKW_] TycBrum Players 387 posts 8,680 battles Report post #100 Posted October 20, 2016 Only time you'll kill DD in those ships is if they don't know what WASD is and sail in a straight line for extended time. True Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
