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What's the point of removing HE shells from the British Cruisers? Is it a balance issue? Or something else?

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they was afraid they spam he from smoke ,,, so only ap

 

I guess that makes the "Belfast" a really unique ship being the only RN CA having both types of shells.

 

It is "unique"™

 

Maybe.

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Oh it's only the beginning. Be ready to witness all kind of weird stuff from now on.

 

Boy I dread to see what will they do with Italian cruisers when those will come eventually.

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Boy I dread to see what will they do with Italian cruisers when those will come eventually.

 

AP and HE shells replaced by meatballs and spaghetti.

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finaly wg see the HE spam problem and dont want more :)

 

Not sure if troll or not... :wander_cap:

 

They should have kept HE on RN ships, but give it 0% fire chance. AP only is too reliant on the enemy captains mistakes (angel etc.).

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Read carefully:

"All ships in this branch have AP shells only. However, these shells will boast excellent ricochet angles and low fuse arming delay time, which will significantly decrease the number of ricochets and overpenetrating hits."

 

So we will fire "HE shells" without fire chance. That is all about.

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AP is better than the HE on the Belfast, as the noobtuber Jingles proved by only spamming HE shells and doing next to nothing with them. So for the experienced player AP only is not an issues at all as you can do 3-5k salvos on broadsides.

 

But i think it is just to have the RN cruisers be different to the RU cruisers, as the RU cruiser only is fire spammers because russian bias.

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So we will fire "HE shells" without fire chance. That is all about.

 

RN CL tech tree captains will need to understand these points. (Note. Belfast has normal AP, this doesn't apply to her)

 

1. Aim for weak sections of of the ship, like your using HE.

Most armour belts will block your AP, even if the shells penetrate they could detonate before reaching the citadel. Your not a AP citadel monster, so always go for the consistent 16-33% penetrations. (As always weakly armoured ships the Omaha are fair game)

 

2. Don't shoot heavily angled or 'bow/stern on' ships, like your using HE.

HE doesn't care about angles and fire stacking is very punishing, RN CLs need to be smarter (or pay WG for the privilege in Belfast)

Try superstructure first to see if your can maintain good DPM. If not just stop firing, stealth up and stay safe. You can always switch targets, flank or go for a torpedo strike. :great:

 

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Well GL to RN cruisers trying to kill soviet DDs from tier 7 and up despite the 'no speed loss during turns unique' RN ability.:hiding:

 

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Well GL to RN cruisers trying to kill soviet DDs from tier 7 and up despite the 'no speed loss during turns unique' RN ability.:hiding:

In those videos I've seen they had no problems killing DDs at all. Cant remember if there were many RU victims.

We will see.

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RN CL tech tree captains will need to understand these points. (Note. Belfast has normal AP, this doesn't apply to her)

 

1. Aim for weak sections of of the ship, like your using HE.

Most armour belts will block your AP, even if the shells penetrate they could detonate before reaching the citadel. Your not a AP citadel monster, so always go for the consistent 16-33% penetrations. (As always weakly armoured ships the Omaha are fair game)

 

2. Don't shoot heavily angled or 'bow/stern on' ships, like your using HE.

HE doesn't care about angles and fire stacking is very punishing, RN CLs need to be smarter (or pay WG for the privilege in Belfast)

Try superstructure first to see if your can maintain good DPM. If not just stop firing, stealth up and stay safe. You can always switch targets, flank or go for a torpedo strike. :great:

 

 

IIRC, Belfast does have the same AP as the other British cruisers. Of course we also have Perth as well, which is a Leander with HE. 

 

The important thing to note is that RNCL AP is only really effective at close range, that is what makes them difficult to play. The AP is deadly against CAs and DDs hulls at close range. DDs with armour, for example the Kebab, get murdered in 5 secs. Just my observations from extensive testing.

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In those videos I've seen they had no problems killing DDs at all. Cant remember if there were many RU victims.

We will see.

 

Well the Khab bounced those APs like a pro and Kharbarovsk>>Minotaur because that ship have no HE so Kharbarovsk is the:facepalm: better CL..

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Boy I dread to see what will they do with Italian cruisers when those will come eventually.

 

Speed boost! Aww yesss! And guns somewhere between Kirov and Hipper, possibly balanced by worse dispersion. That's my stab at what kind of makes sense.

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IIRC, Belfast does have the same AP as the other British cruisers. Of course we also have Perth as well, which is a Leander with HE. 

 

Belfast and Perth have a standard detonator threshold of 25mm compared to 12mm for RN tech tree CLs. You can see that from all the overpens Belfast AP gets on superstructures, RN tech tree ships will get normal penetrations in this scenario.:)

 

Destroyers can to go 'bow/stern on' to reduce nearly all damage from RN CL tech tree guns, not many destroyer captains will know this atm. Just run with your bottom pointed directly at the RN cruiser and spam them with HE! :trollface:

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Belfast and Perth have a standard detonator threshold of 25mm compared to 12mm for RN tech tree CLs. You can see that from all the overpens Belfast AP gets on superstructures, RN tech tree ships will get normal penetrations in this scenario.:)

 

Destroyers can to go 'bow/stern on' to reduce nearly all damage from RN CL tech tree guns, not many destroyer captains will know this atm. Just run with your bottom pointed directly at the RN cruiser and spam them with HE! :trollface:

 

HE which WILL hurt, due to 13/16mm hull plating:trollface:

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HE which WILL hurt, due to 13/16mm hull plating:trollface:

 

:D

 

RN CL captains should aim for the gun turrets if they do this, the AP should be enough to keep them off line.

 

 (Note: You can't troll Belfast this way. She'll melt your bum, set you on fire, cripple the guns and blow up your engines. DDs should run like the wind from balanced Belfast)

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 DDs should run like the wind from balanced Belfast)

 

 

balanced Belfast)

 

 

 balanced Belfast)

 

 

BB

 

 

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:D

 

RN CL captains should aim for the gun turrets if they do this, the AP should be enough to keep them off line.

 

 (Note: You can't troll Belfast this way. She'll melt your bum, set you on fire, cripple the guns and blow up your engines. DDs should run like the wind from balanced Belfast)

 

Damaged engine/rudder is default state for rashian derpstroyers to start with. And ballistics in Boobfest don't seem that spectacular either, so quality Kiev/Błyskawica trolling might work.

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