CRAZY MIDETIER AA

[aleksandrov3]

So I am getting more and more angry. I constantly hear from BBs how CVs are OP and that crap, but have they ever tryied to play them. I will actually quit playing this game because AA is so redicolus. I am talking about midtier AA (tier 5,6,7,8). I understand that AA should not be like in beta when you could strike in fleet, but I am playing my independance and if I attack 2 tier 5 BBs (kongo and new york) I lose 3 of my 6 torpedo bombers. If I attack tier 7+ BBs I usually lose hole squadron and tons of german BBs doesn't help since attacking a single tier 5 german BB I also lose 3 planes. This about CVs being counter to battleships!!!

So I hear attack DDs. Well they also destroy my planes. I attacked 2 DDs (one tier 5 and one tier 6) and no they did not have defencive AA, but I just lost 4 of my planes????? WTF WARGAMING, like I can't attack anyone in a CV. I understand CVs should not be able to like attackk in fleet, but I can't attack even single BBs without losing at least half squadron and even DDs have now powerfull enough AA to beat me. I AM QUITING, CUZ THIS IS ALL CRAZY.

[ColonelPete]

Looks like you are missing something.

Kongo, New York and especially DDs do not have a strong AA.

 

Edit:

You are extremly whiney.

Your CV stats:

Icon	Name	Tier	Type	Nation	Battles ▼	WR	Dmg	XP	K/D	Sh☠	Pl☠	Srv	MBH	TH	WTR
	Bogue	5	CV	USA	125	54.40%	58,515	1,031	2.9	1.1	11.6	62%	0%	0%	1,699
	Ranger	7	CV	USA	72	66.67%	93,863	1,252	10.8	1.8	4.7	83%	0%	0%	1,677
	Independence	6	CV	USA	42	61.90%	56,847	1,175	5.9	1.1	15.4	81%	0%	0%	1,555
	Langley	4	CV	USA	32	50.00%	40,546	770	1.5	0.7	13.1	56%	0%	0%	1,242

 

Where is your problem?

Edit 2:

It looks like you did not even play the Independence in the last 55 days.

 

Vote for close for trolling and whining.

 

 

 

[Rufus_Roughcut]

So I am getting more and more angry. I constantly hear from BBs how CVs are OP and that crap, but have they ever tryied to play them. I will actually quit playing this game because AA is so redicolus. I am talking about midtier AA (tier 5,6,7,8). I understand that AA should not be like in beta when you could strike in fleet, but I am playing my independance and if I attack 2 tier 5 BBs (kongo and new york) I lose 3 of my 6 torpedo bombers. If I attack tier 7+ BBs I usually lose hole squadron and tons of german BBs doesn't help since attacking a single tier 5 german BB I also lose 3 planes. This about CVs being counter to battleships!!!

So I hear attack DDs. Well they also destroy my planes. I attacked 2 DDs (one tier 5 and one tier 6) and no they did not have defencive AA, but I just lost 4 of my planes????? WTF WARGAMING, like I can't attack anyone in a CV. I understand CVs should not be able to like attackk in fleet, but I can't attack even single BBs without losing at least half squadron and even DDs have now powerfull enough AA to beat me. I AM QUITING, CUZ THIS IS ALL CRAZY.

 

Hilarious ​  The only time a T5 BB shoots down a few planes is if the CV player circles my ship about 3 times in AA range and eventually misses with his last 1 or 2 torpedoes. Learn to drop on the first attack then you will keep your planes.  

[Odo_Toothless]

Looks like you are missing something.

Kongo, New York and especially DDs do not have a strong AA.

 

 

Both BB with AA module + perks has almost stock Texas level of AA rating. And it works - half of enemy planes don't survive attack at 2 conditions: you must manuveur your ship to make enemy planes a little more circle around you and manually pick up single squadron, so you gain +30% more efficiency modifier too.

[txtspeak]

Kongo, do not have a strong AA.

 

 

 

I think you be missing something

[Shirakami_Kon]

 

Both BB with AA module + perks has almost stock Texas level of AA rating. And it works - half of enemy planes don't survive attack at 2 conditions: you must manuveur your ship to make enemy planes a little more circle around you and manually pick up single squadron, so you gain +30% more efficiency modifier too.

 

True, but what sane BB player would use that module with the accuracy of low tier BBs (especially T5s) ? (I know we are talking about midtiers here, but since it's actually the T5-6 range, I personally consider T5 low tier, midtier start a T6 for me) You expect them to sacrifice even the slightest buff to accuracy just to hopefully shot down half squadron of planes which would still be able to hit them anyways at the cost of leting the low tier dispersion of BBs as it is?

[havaduck]

 

 level of AA rating.

 

 

 

 

Who the hell gives a flying feather about "a rating" in this game.

 

Remember that Clemsons "artillery rating" goes from 10 to 11 with the upgrade from the Mk 12 to the Mk 14 guns ?

 

........ yeah sounds legit, mate @ WG. 

[Odo_Toothless]

 

True, but what sane BB player would use that module with the accuracy of low tier BBs (especially T5s) ? (I know we are talking about midtiers here, but since it's actually the T5-6 range, I personally consider T5 low tier, midtier start a T6 for me) You expect them to sacrifice even the slightest buff to accuracy just to hopefully shot down half squadron of planes which would still be able to hit them anyways at the cost of leting the low tier dispersion of BBs as it is?

NY has only range module as other US BB. Hoever past his standard range, he is very inaccurate anyway. For me max busting AA gived me more average DMG per game, becouse in mid tier there ar still a lot of CV. The same build I have in Tex now and even VII tier planes are survivable. In 100 games I never be sunked by CV. In NY very rarely too after maxing AA. He has little more maneuverability then Tex too. Even maxed AA Wyoming still give a lot more chance to survive planes attack ... Without - they are sitting ducks.

 

Wyoming and NY had a lot of games without full AA build, so latest games was much better in plane kills ratio.

Serwer average are: TEX: 3,2; Wyoming: 0,6; NY: 0,7. So more then x2 efficiency have AA build in standard ships.

Texas	5	BB		120	64.17%	47,812	1,049	3.1	1.1	4.6 planes/game	66%	24%	0%	1,151
Wyoming	4	BB		116	61.21%	37,655	882	2.8	1.0	1.6 planes/game	64%	20%	0%	1,239
New York	5	BB		106	57.55%	37,934	887	2.2	1.0	1.5 planes/game	55%	22%	0%	1,273

[Cadelanne]

Looks like you are missing something.

Kongo, New York and especially DDs do not have a strong AA.

 

Edit:

You are extremly whiney.

Your CV stats:

Icon	Name	Tier	Type	Nation	Battles ▼	WR	Dmg	XP	K/D	Sh☠	Pl☠	Srv	MBH	TH	WTR
	Bogue	5	CV	USA	125	54.40%	58,515	1,031	2.9	1.1	11.6	62%	0%	0%	1,699
	Ranger	7	CV	USA	72	66.67%	93,863	1,252	10.8	1.8	4.7	83%	0%	0%	1,677
	Independence	6	CV	USA	42	61.90%	56,847	1,175	5.9	1.1	15.4	81%	0%	0%	1,555
	Langley	4	CV	USA	32	50.00%	40,546	770	1.5	0.7	13.1	56%	0%	0%	1,242

 

Where is your problem?

Edit 2:

It looks like you did not even play the Independence in the last 55 days.

 

Vote for close for trolling and whining.

 

 

 

 

^ pretty much this. Some issues with some ships regarding CV doesn't mean you have to whine all around for no reason.

[aleksandrov3]

Looks like you are missing something.

Kongo, New York and especially DDs do not have a strong AA.

 

Edit:

You are extremly whiney.

Your CV stats:

Icon	Name	Tier	Type	Nation	Battles ▼	WR	Dmg	XP	K/D	Sh☠	Pl☠	Srv	MBH	TH	WTR
	Bogue	5	CV	USA	125	54.40%	58,515	1,031	2.9	1.1	11.6	62%	0%	0%	1,699
	Ranger	7	CV	USA	72	66.67%	93,863	1,252	10.8	1.8	4.7	83%	0%	0%	1,677
	Independence	6	CV	USA	42	61.90%	56,847	1,175	5.9	1.1	15.4	81%	0%	0%	1,555
	Langley	4	CV	USA	32	50.00%	40,546	770	1.5	0.7	13.1	56%	0%	0%	1,242

 

Where is your problem?

Edit 2:

It looks like you did not even play the Independence in the last 55 days.

 

Vote for close for trolling and whining.

 

Well of course I did not play for so long, since it is no fun anymore. These good win ratings on Ranger and Independance are from old days where CVs were more powerfull. Look at stats provided by @Odo_Toothless of win ratings of those tier 5 BBs. 

 

NY has only range module as other US BB. Hoever past his standard range, he is very inaccurate anyway. For me max busting AA gived me more average DMG per game, becouse in mid tier there ar still a lot of CV. The same build I have in Tex now and even VII tier planes are survivable. In 100 games I never be sunked by CV. In NY very rarely too after maxing AA. He has little more maneuverability then Tex too. Even maxed AA Wyoming still give a lot more chance to survive planes attack ... Without - they are sitting ducks.

 

Wyoming and NY had a lot of games without full AA build, so latest games was much better in plane kills ratio.

Serwer average are: TEX: 3,2; Wyoming: 0,6; NY: 0,7. So more then x2 efficiency have AA build in standard ships.

 

Texas	5	BB		120	64.17%	47,812	1,049	3.1	1.1	4.6 planes/game	66%	24%	0%	1,151
Wyoming	4	BB		116	61.21%	37,655	882	2.8	1.0	1.6 planes/game	64%	20%	0%	1,239
New York	5	BB		106	57.55%	37,934	887	2.2	1.0	1.5 planes/game	55%	22%	0%	1,273

 

And these are tier 5 BBs. Like try and play CVs and you will see what I am talking about. Try attacking Genasenaur, Bismark, NC and you lose hole squadron. Every BB has advance firing training and many of them also have module for more range, therefore I can't even attack single ship. I am not kiding even attacking single tier 5 ship (unless it is IJN), I will lose 3 planes. 

And even DDs have strong AA, like I am trying to drop for 1 minute on a DD and I lose 2 planes. 

 

I can hardly attack anythinig, go try by yourself and I am interested to know how you are doing!

[Mayv]

 

And even DDs have strong AA, like I am trying to drop for 1 minute on a DD and I lose 2 planes. 

 

 

Taking a minute to drop in a DD is the problem in this case not DD AA.

[ColonelPete]

... Like try and play CVs and you will see what I am talking about. Try attacking Genasenaur, Bismark, NC and you lose hole squadron. Every BB has advance firing training and many of them also have module for more range, therefore I can't even attack single ship. I am not kiding even attacking single tier 5 ship (unless it is IJN), I will lose 3 planes. 

 

I can hardly attack anythinig, go try by yourself and I am interested to know how you are doing!

I am playing CVs from time to time. And Tier V and VI are no problem. Tier VII demands more skill, but that applies to all classes.

It is quite funny that you started to complain about Tier V ships and now you raise the bar to Tier VII ships.

Guess what, Tier VII is different to Tier V. Who would have thought about that?

 

EU Server Stats:

Player Average for Ships [ at 2016/10/08 ]
Nation	Class	Tier	Name	Win	Damage	Kills/Battle	Survival
US	BB	7	Colorado	47.32	41.425	0.62	41.66
US	CV	7	Ranger	46.07	44.095	0.72	59.55
JP	BB	7	Nagato	45.45	44.464	0.65	41.41
US	CV	7	Saipan	52.06	47.859	0.87	69.07
KM	BB	7	Gneisenau	50.65	50.379	0.88	40.71
KM	BB	7	Scharnhorst	50.80	50.716	0.94	39.78
JP	CV	7	Hiryu	51.01	53.409	0.92	70.86

 

I do not see a problem.

 

[lup3s]

 

Try attacking NC

 

but ... why?

[Cadelanne]

 

but ... why?

 

Because sometimes if you don't attack the NC your only other go are 2 Iowas and a Kutuzov so yeah, maybe let's go for NC.

[ColonelPete]

 

Because sometimes if you don't attack the NC your only other go are 2 Iowas and a Kutuzov so yeah, maybe let's go for NC.

 

4 ships left, that is at the end of the match. You should have done your job until then.

[lup3s]

 

Because sometimes if you don't attack the NC your only other go are 2 Iowas and a Kutuzov so yeah, maybe let's go for NC.

 

quite a rare situation imo but okay .. you can't expect T6-T7 planes to live through the NC's AA aura

[Zathras_Grimm]

 Yeah, my 1 point in AA Fujitsu() must scare the hell out of CV fighters. Can't understand why or how they seem to be able to stay circling above me like carrion birds calling in fire from all over the map lol.

 

 

As much as I hate to say it I don't believe CVs are in too bad a place (talking Tier  5-7) and it is the other CVs and load-outs that they have to be aware of. Most CVs I've seen have at least one kill by the end of the game, or allow their team a good number of kills by choosing fighter loads and decimating the enemy ac, then being able to spot us pesky DDs.

[Syrchalis]

 

quite a rare situation imo but okay .. you can't expect T6-T7 planes to live through the NC's AA aura

 

That's the problem. I can wreck a NC in a T7 cruiser, if I play well, but the AA aura is just there. It's automatic. No skill involved.

 

You can with skill even increase the effects further by targeting a squad, turning away from the planes way ahead of time and making sure they spend extra long in that immolation aura.

 

The problem is, without skill, all planes die already. Add skill to it and you could get attacked by 2 CVs and still take no damage. Add teamplay to it, say a Kutuzov and you would be save from 4 CVs which can't even happen.

 

AA needs to be weak enough so without skill you take massive damage. With skill you take low damage and with teamplay and skill together you're immune.

 

Right now there is no reason to play any competitive games with CV because the immunity threshold is just so low.

[ColonelPete]

If you have skill, you select another target or wait until she got grilled a bit by HE and lost some of her AA.

[Ictogan]

If you have skill, you select another target or wait until she got grilled a bit by HE and lost some of her AA.

Cause selecting another target is always possible and the team always grills things with HE...

[Capra76]

 

That's the problem.......................

 

Am I reading this right?  You appear to be saying that you think you should be able to wreck an AA specialist ship 2 tiers higher than you, is that what you're saying? 

[lup3s]

 

That's the problem. I can wreck a NC in a T7 cruiser, if I play well, but the AA aura is just there. It's automatic. No skill involved.

 

You can with skill even increase the effects further by targeting a squad, turning away from the planes way ahead of time and making sure they spend extra long in that immolation aura.

 

The problem is, without skill, all planes die already. Add skill to it and you could get attacked by 2 CVs and still take no damage. Add teamplay to it, say a Kutuzov and you would be save from 4 CVs which can't even happen.

 

AA needs to be weak enough so without skill you take massive damage. With skill you take low damage and with teamplay and skill together you're immune.

 

Right now there is no reason to play any competitive games with CV because the immunity threshold is just so low.

 

I understand what you mean and I mostly agree.

 

I was just stating that you shouldn't expect anything else but to lose all of your T6-T7 planes if you try to attack the T8 North Carolina

Of course there will be situations that you can't do much else, but the same applies to attacking cruisers (e.g. Cleveland).

You just don't unless you have no other / better option.

[havaduck]

 

Am I reading this right?  You appear to be saying that you think you should be able to wreck an AA specialist ship 2 tiers higher than you, is that what you're saying? 

 

 

Yep thats sadly typical CV kind of view. They demand being a hard counter but when its about a cruiser countering them its suddenly: "muh damage" + "muh planes".

 

 

Lets flip this around: A Furutaka then definitely should wreck a incoming Saipans strike, right? Its not a AA specilist ship, but last time with the NC this was disregarded in a "who the fu<k cares"-kind of fashion anyway, since "hard counter > little details like aa-specialist" - so its very fitting.

 

I mean a cruiser is the counter to an airstrike, and again, just like in the other case a Furutaka is "just"  2 tiers below, should definitely deplete the reserves of a Saipain in no time, and with no fear of taking much, if any damage, ofc. I cant wait for that patch to drop .......

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

Cause selecting another target is always possible and the team always grills things with HE...

 

Yes it is. And if the team does not play together, you have problems in other classes too. CVs are not special that way.

[QwarezLt]

Sooo special he thinks he is