Potential Japanese Tier 8 Premium Battleships

[Comrad_StaIin]

since we dont have a high tier japanese battleship premium here are a few examples (they are all paper though)

 

first we have the Tosa this was to be one of the most powerful battleships of its time

but due to the WNT it was used for armor tests and

the aircraft carrier Kaga was also a Tosa-class Battleship

Armaments 

10x41cm guns in a A B X Y Z arrangement (same as Amagi)

20x14cm guns in casemates

it would need an Amagi like refit

Armor

a little better than Nagato

Speed 

25.5kts (same as Nagato)

it is basicly a Battleship version of the Amagi

 

Next one 

Hiraga's design for a Kongo replacement

it followes a design principle of cramping all armaments in a small space to maximize armor thickness

Armamets

10x41cm guns in 2 double and 2 triple turrets in a Pensacola like arrengement

16x15.2cm guns in 8 casemate mounts and 4 double turrets

8 x12.7cm AA guns in 4 dual mounts

Armor

Belt ranging from 300-350mm

Speed 

26.5kts

 

 

Last one

Fujimoto's design for a Kongo replacement

it is basicly a scaled down Yamato

 

Armaments

9x41cm guns in 3 triple turrets

12x15.2cm guns in 5 double turrets

8x12.7cm AA guns in 4 dual mounts

Armor

???

Speed

???

 

the giant shield was there to protect the 2 secondary turrets from the blast when firing the main guns

 

[Vanhal]

I would rather see IJN BB remade into BB and BC (or "slow" and "fast" if anyone prefer) lines. Tosa would be ideal on the tier VIII of the slow line, with Amagi switched to fast one.

 

Both of the others looks good though, especially the Hiraga project.

[Comrad_StaIin]

the uniqueness of the Hiraga project could make for a good premium ship

we might see Tosa and the Fujimoto project in a second branch maybe

I also think you could buff the Fujimoto project with the Izumos longer 41cm guns to fit tier 9

 

[SmartassNoob]

Funny that the Fujimoto was suppose to have a shield there.

 

 

I want an upgraded late https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ise-class_battleship It should be able to launch like 10 automated fighters. Each with its own cool-down timer. And it should be tier 7.

 

 

Also how about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Mutsu ? 4 turrets with 2 410mm guns each. I'm pretty sure this would work, if it's the 1943 version and no higher than tier 7.

[Comrad_StaIin]

Also how about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Mutsu ? 4 turrets with 2 410mm guns each. I'm pretty sure this would work, if it's the 1943 version and no higher than tier 7.

 

you basicly got that with Nagato and I dont really want clones

[anonym_i2RxUTEMphjW]

Not tier 8, but how about the potential ultimate p2w, A-150 on tier 10 :> ?

[Comrad_StaIin]

Not tier 8, but how about the potential ultimate p2w, A-150 on tier 10 :> ?

 

not gonna happen

[SmartassNoob]

The A-150, just like the H44 would have to be tier 12. That's how much more armor and firepower they'd have over the current tier 10. Also, I'm actually pretty sure that the current german tier 10 BB would have to be tier 11, if it worked as well as "designed" in reality.

[anonym_i2RxUTEMphjW]

And all this just makes me quite sure that one day we'll see it in the game. Not soon, but closer to the end of it's lifeline when they'll try to find any new ways to get money.

H44 was insanity and it would be like trying to get something like Ratte in WoT, while A-150 could be cut to Maus size comparison (it's hull size was to be closer to H41), using the earlier 480mm guns instead of 510mm as well.

[Comrad_StaIin]

The A-150, just like the H44 would have to be tier 12. That's how much more armor and firepower they'd have over the current tier 10. Also, I'm actually pretty sure that the current german tier 10 BB would have to be tier 11, if it worked as well as "designed" in reality.

 

well the GK is a H42 hull with triple turrets from "russian archives"

 

so if you would fit the 480mm double turrets on this ship it might work

 

 

btw. they said there is not enough information on the 480s thats why they havent implemented them

 

maybe I can build a working model of the Hiraga design in "From the Depths" and post some screens here

[Nightdare]

Well, the Tosa class would be a true design, since it actually got built (though not finished in its intended role) and being a 'larger Nagato' could make a premium tier VIII BB

[Gnirf]

Well I have answered on similar topics but in the early 20´s Hiraga did many designs incl. 13 class 8-18 inch C.a 47000 tons 30 kts

variants included 12-16 (6x2), other w quads 2x2 in front 2x4 back, 14-16 inch, 1x2, 1x4 in front 2x4 back and 16-16, 4x4.

 

Battlecruiser variants w 6-18 etc so the designs were prolific.

 

[Vanhal]

 

I want an upgraded late https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ise-class_battleship It should be able to launch like 10 automated fighters. Each with its own cool-down timer. And it should be tier 7.

 

Considering how much trouble they have with Tone, i doubt we will see it soon, or even Soon^TM 

We could have Ise as premium, but considering it's basically Fuso, it would be boring.

 

 

Also how about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Mutsu ? 4 turrets with 2 410mm guns each. I'm pretty sure this would work, if it's the 1943 version and no higher than tier 7.

 

BOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRIIIIINGGGGGGGGG.

 

 

[Trainspite]

 

Also how about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Mutsu ? 4 turrets with 2 410mm guns each. I'm pretty sure this would work, if it's the 1943 version and no higher than tier 7.

 

Basically Mutsu would just be a premium Nagato B hull. 

 

I'll hedge my bets on Yamashiro (6), Haruna (6) or Ise (6). Most likely Haruna I feel. 

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

Basically Mutsu would just be a premium Nagato B hull. 

 

I'll hedge my bets on Yamashiro (6), Haruna (6) or Ise (6). Most likely Haruna I feel. 

 

you mean Haruna with dem Texas like AA refit?

 

it would still be tier 5 tho

[VC381]

Tosa would be my pick, the other designs look very weird and their power level is possibly closer to Izumo than Amagi since I think they're taken from the same set of studies.

 

There's also the Kii class, which is superficially similar to Amagi but is a fast BB that is an evolution/fusion of both Tosa and Amagi. That would be somewhat boring but could be balanced around a less modernised aesthetic than Amagi.

 

What I would love to see is the B-65 "super cruiser" but I doubt she's T8 material given how WG have handled similar ships (Dunkerque and Scharnhorst).

[Trainspite]

 

you mean Haruna with dem Texas like AA refit?

 

it would still be tier 5 tho

 

I doubt it, given small stat buffs, Kongo  Haruna in her 1945 form would work at tier 6. Less firepower than Fuso, but more precise and more flexible due to her speed. 

 

I'll put Tosa, Kii and No13 at the head of a IJN BC tree. 

 

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

I doubt it, given small stat buffs, Kongo  Haruna in her 1945 form would work at tier 6. Less firepower than Fuso, but more precise and more flexible due to her speed. 

 

I'll put Tosa, Kii and No13 at the head of a IJN BC tree. 

 

 

Tosa is not a BC though I'll switch it with Amagi then

[Trainspite]

 

Tosa is not a BC though I'll switch it with Amagi then

 

Derp. I was thinking of new ships, you are quite right.

This is what I am thinking.

         BB                          BC

III    Kawachi                   B-41 'Shiomi'

IV    A-51 'Buzen'            B-40 'Myogi'

V     A-57 'Etchu'             Kongo

VI    Fuso                        B-59? 'Shari'

VII   Nagato                     B-62? 'Kisokoma'

VIII  Tosa                         Amagi

IX    A-140J2 'Izumo'       Kii

X     Yamato                    No.13 'Shimosa' 'Izumi'

 

I don't know much about the Amagi preliminaries B-59 and B-62, so I have just placed them there on guesswork. Also I gave the other designs names because I like names.

[piritskenyer]

since we dont have a high tier japanese battleship premium here are a few examples (they are all paper though)

 

first we have the Tosa this was to be one of the most powerful battleships of its time

but due to the WNT it was used for armor tests and

the aircraft carrier Kaga was also a Tosa-class Battleship

Armaments 

10x41cm guns in a A B X Y Z arrangement (same as Amagi)

20x14cm guns in casemates

it would need an Amagi like refit

Armor

a little better than Nagato

Speed 

25.5kts (same as Nagato)

it is basicly a Battleship version of the Amagi

 

Next one 

Hiraga's design for a Kongo replacement

it followes a design principle of cramping all armaments in a small space to maximize armor thickness

Armamets

10x41cm guns in 2 double and 2 triple turrets in a Pensacola like arrengement

16x15.2cm guns in 8 casemate mounts and 4 double turrets

8 x12.7cm AA guns in 4 dual mounts

Armor

Belt ranging from 300-350mm

Speed 

26.5kts

 

 

Last one

Fujimoto's design for a Kongo replacement

it is basicly a scaled down Yamato

 

Armaments

9x41cm guns in 3 triple turrets

12x15.2cm guns in 5 double turrets

8x12.7cm AA guns in 4 dual mounts

Armor

???

Speed

???

 

the giant shield was there to protect the 2 secondary turrets from the blast when firing the main guns

 

 

I like all three but the two I like most are n°s 2 and 3, due to their unusual layouts for their particular lines. Sure, n°2 is like a baby Nagato, but she'd be pretttty short and possibly well armoured, while n°3 would offer an "IJN NC" which would be a completely different ship to what there already is in the line.

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

I like all three but the two I like most are n°s 2 and 3, due to their unusual layouts for their particular lines. Sure, n°2 is like a baby Nagato, but she'd be pretttty short and possibly well armoured, while n°3 would offer an "IJN NC" which would be a completely different ship to what there already is in the line.

 

the n°2 would be more like armored Pensacola BB version

[piritskenyer]

 

the n°2 would be more like armored Pensacola BB version

 

In that case, throw it at me

[olmedreca]

 

Derp. I was thinking of new ships, you are quite right.

This is what I am thinking.

         BB                          BC

III    Kawachi                   B-41 'Shiomi'

IV    A-51 'Buzen'            B-40 'Myogi'

V     A-57 'Etchu'             Kongo

VI    Fuso                        B-59? 'Shari'

VII   Nagato                     B-62? 'Kisokoma'

VIII  Tosa                         Amagi

IX    A-140J2 'Izumo'       Kii

X     Yamato                    No.13 'Shimosa' 'Izumi'

 

I don't know much about the Amagi preliminaries B-59 and B-62, so I have just placed them there on guesswork. Also I gave the other designs names because I like names.

 

I don't really like the idea of full lines that are over 50% paper. Also I am not sure that No.13 would cut it at T10.

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

I don't really like the idea of full lines that are over 50% paper. Also I am not sure that No.13 would cut it at T10.

 

If you would have to use that much paper I would rather use sub branches starting at tier 6 with Ise

[Trainspite]

 

I don't really like the idea of full lines that are over 50% paper. Also I am not sure that No.13 would cut it at T10.

 

Well, certain lines are going to have to. I mean, paper lines will probably happen when the game reaches the point that WoT has, when most of the conceivable lines have been added. Even then, some of the more well known lines are going to go over 50% designs/paper. Looking at the French and Italian BBs here. France would have 4/8 (Normandie, Lyon, Alsace, Super-Alsace) and Italy 5/8 (Tier 3 Cuniberti Design, Tier 6 Caracciolo (even though she was launched) Tier 7 Pre-Littorio, and the Tier 9 and 10).

 

No.13 should be fine-ish. And then you have the preliminary designs for her, which include 10 and 12 18" guns. If that wasn't enough.

 

 

If you would have to use that much paper I would rather use sub branches starting at tier 6 with Ise

 

 

In all honesty, Ise could end up a premium, since a prospective BB branch would also be entirely paper bar the Ise.