jhonny82 Players 44 posts 5,218 battles Report post #76 Posted October 17, 2016 this ship is going to render Atlanta obsolete, exept for killing planes this ship looks superior in all other aspects: smoke (a dream for my Atlanta that has never been granted, and never will cause of Flint) + radar as Atlanta + acoustic search + concealment module + better range and shell ark + better HP pool + better armor and it's same tier... if we think that half of games there are no CV around I can't see how Atlanta can compare to this ship, for sure there'll be some player unable to make Belfast work but that's the same with any other ship in game, if we take 2 player with same skills the one on Belfast has an easier life than the one on Atlanta, u need to rely less on your team thanks to ur modules while Atlanta can't do a lot her own and has to stick around islands to have protection and concealment don't get me wrong I love my Atlanta and can play her decently Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LONR] thestaggy Beta Tester 403 posts 7,718 battles Report post #77 Posted October 17, 2016 The game is going to suck for a few weeks if it is released as is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #78 Posted October 17, 2016 BB players wont rush the premium store to buy Belfast, they will continue playing in the only ship class that isn't insta deleted when the player makes a mistake which will happen to the Belfast even if OP compared to other CLs. It is a slow cruiser and can't effectively outrun fast battleships if caught in the open or sink them with torps in knife fight distances. It can stealthfire HE at BBs so it doesn't have to do either. Also I fully suspect we will get games with 3 Belfast per team when it comes out. This ship will not be noob friendly and will only work for connaiseurs and good players the average player will not be able to earn much credit in it and will quickly run back to Shinyhorse, Torpitz or anything else of the noob friendly ships. It is premium so ofc it will make money. It won't requiere more skill than say a Indianapolis, Flint, or Atlanta, probably way less even due to concealment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #79 Posted October 17, 2016 It won't requiere more skill than say a Indianapolis, Flint, or Atlanta, probably way less even due to concealment. Yes it will. Now don't get me wrong, any noob can press S and deploy smoke and sit there with hydro on trying to avoid torps coming in, so even noobs might find it 'decent'. But to get the most out of it, you need to be able to time your consumables right and read the battles right. I expect a large gap between the noobs who might do ok with it, and the really good players who will get 70%+ wr with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jhonny82 Players 44 posts 5,218 battles Report post #80 Posted October 17, 2016 Also I fully suspect we will get games with 3 Belfast per team when it comes out. this^ I can already imagine a platoon of 3 belfast using smoke, radar and hydro in a coordinated attack... devastating always concealed in smoke, always aware of incoming torps and always with a look on enemy thanks to radar, hydro and other teammates Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #81 Posted October 17, 2016 this^ I can already imagine a platoon of 3 belfast using smoke, radar and hydro in a coordinated attack... devastating always concealed in smoke, always aware of incoming torps and always with a look on enemy thanks to radar, hydro and other teammates Yup so I will be telling all my play buddies to also buy it 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] piritskenyer Players, Players, Sailing Hamster 3,462 posts 5,363 battles Report post #82 Posted October 17, 2016 Yup so I will be telling all my play buddies to also buy it And then you were the one who dissed me for statpadding. suuuuuuuure. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulgarny Sailing Hamster 1,546 posts 3,274 battles Report post #83 Posted October 17, 2016 Lesta. Suporting P2W since 2015 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[T-N-T] Dropman12 Players 340 posts 5,949 battles Report post #84 Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) this^ I can already imagine a platoon of 3 belfast using smoke, radar and hydro in a coordinated attack... devastating always concealed in smoke, always aware of incoming torps and always with a look on enemy thanks to radar, hydro and other teammates For what? If any competent player see 3 man platoon making this, he will just leave. BBs have fine range to engage other target, rest has mobility for this. Also 3 ships in small smoke is juicy target for torps. Doesnt matter if you have sonar against torpwall. Platoon of 3 Scharns/Gneis is much more fearsome. Its kinda funy to me how people can rage/whine/shout about something they never played...yet they are sure about their opinion. What about waiting for its final state? Edited October 17, 2016 by Dropman12 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulgarny Sailing Hamster 1,546 posts 3,274 battles Report post #85 Posted October 17, 2016 At some point people have enough exp to judge more or less impact of some things that Lesta brings into table. And this thing can cull destroyer player pool at mid tiers. Less DDs means less cruisers. Less cruisers means even more BBs roaming the MM. While "new" DD players abandon grinding DDs there is noone to replenish older DDplayers leaving the game. Its slow process but BBage is slowly upon us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #86 Posted October 17, 2016 Lesta. Suporting P2W since 2015 As long as they say it's not p2w, then it's not p2w. XD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vulgarny Sailing Hamster 1,546 posts 3,274 battles Report post #87 Posted October 17, 2016 And they know how not good for the game is that cruiser. Baaah whole line were intended to be like that cruiser. But they understood that it would make game quite bad to play. So they changed whole idea for that line. But they wont change premium ships Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] piritskenyer Players, Players, Sailing Hamster 3,462 posts 5,363 battles Report post #88 Posted October 17, 2016 And they know how not good for the game is that cruiser. Baaah whole line were intended to be like that cruiser. But they understood that it would make game quite bad to play. So they changed whole idea for that line. But they wont change premium ships Bad for who? I for one would have enjoyed greatly a line of pretty much Kuma's raining firey death on everyone around them. Why? Because I'm a cruiser player, that's why, and I feel like as a class player I deserve to have a line of (a few) OP ships. No real concern for the game on my part, but if we're at it I think an "OP" cruiser line would have reduced the number of BB's running around these days. Call me shallow and selfish, but hey. Maybe my preffered class can get a bone every once in a while (I'm sure most/some CV players also feel similarly). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jhonny82 Players 44 posts 5,218 battles Report post #89 Posted October 17, 2016 For what? If any competent player see 3 man platoon making this, he will just leave. BBs have fine range to engage other target, rest has mobility for this. Also 3 ships in small smoke is juicy target for torps. Doesnt matter if you have sonar against torpwall. Platoon of 3 Scharns/Gneis is much more fearsome. Its kinda funy to me how people can rage/whine/shout about something they never played...yet they are sure about their opinion. What about waiting for its final state? we already see a lot of reviews from (very) competent players and with 3,6k games I have a little experience to talk since I've played almost all tier 7 CA, DD and BB in game so I know the situation in this tier well and I already tried all the consumables and module that this ship is going to use (which are the main problem with this ship) we all know that WG can't easily nerf a premium ship because people pay real money for a product and you can't just change it without giving the option to recede, the same problem doesn't exist for buffs, all players welcome a buff to a premium ship they own so why relase a ship that many players has already stated OP when you can give a final version more equilibrated and buff it if the situation require? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #90 Posted October 17, 2016 Because no one would buy anything which is UP and relies on WG buffing it in the future? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jhonny82 Players 44 posts 5,218 battles Report post #91 Posted October 17, 2016 Because no one would buy anything which is UP and relies on WG buffing it in the future? Atlanta is there to proving you wrong... many players still buy the ship without even knowing how to play her and in the case of Belfast calling it UP make me smile... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #92 Posted October 17, 2016 There's zero reason Belfast should be tier 7 with access to 3 consumable slots. Will Edinburgh get all 3 and torpedoes too? LUL. Edinburgh specs have not been finalised, so you don't actually know the differences between the two ships. Obviously there are more differences than just torpedoes.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #93 Posted October 17, 2016 Atlanta is there to proving you wrong... many players still buy the ship without even knowing how to play her and in the case of Belfast calling it UP make me smile... That is called Atlanta syndrome. Many of those players will also come on the forum claiming 'we' just aren't playing her right, and then show off their sub 50% wr in it Also, Flamu does just fine with Atlanta, it's not UP just situational. And where in Gods name did I call Belfast UP? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jhonny82 Players 44 posts 5,218 battles Report post #94 Posted October 17, 2016 That is called Atlanta syndrome. Many of those players will also come on the forum claiming 'we' just aren't playing her right, and then show off their sub 50% wr in it Also, Flamu does just fine with Atlanta, it's not UP just situational. And where in Gods name did I call Belfast UP? yeah you didn't call Belfast UP directly but you did say "who would buy anything that is UP..." and in this topic we are talking about belfast... anyway... Atlanta was on par with other cruisers (still very very situational) before Flint came out and now if they release Belfast as is we can really say she'll be UP because this two ships can do what Atlanta do but better since they are a lot less situational Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] piritskenyer Players, Players, Sailing Hamster 3,462 posts 5,363 battles Report post #95 Posted October 17, 2016 yeah you didn't call Belfast UP directly but you did say "who would buy anything that is UP..." and in this topic we are talking about belfast... anyway... Atlanta was on par with other cruisers (still very very situational) before Flint came out and now if they release Belfast as is we can really say she'll be UP because this two ships can do what Atlanta do but better since they are a lot less situational Your logical string may have failed there, matey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jhonny82 Players 44 posts 5,218 battles Report post #96 Posted October 17, 2016 Your logical string may have failed there, matey. where? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creamgravy Players 2,780 posts 17,292 battles Report post #97 Posted October 17, 2016 Edinburgh specs have not been finalised, so you don't actually know the differences between the two ships. Obviously there are more differences than just torpedoes.. Belfast and Edinburgh are sister ships. They gave Belfast hydro, smoke and radar (3 consumables) to make up for loosing torpedoes. Yes, that's a bit OP at any tier. To drop Belfast down a tier 7 they gave her 13mm bow/stern armour. Wahooo big deal. She even keeps her tier 8 OP upgrade module. Seriously WTF? Tier 5 ships shouldn't have to face that **** Let's drop Scharnhorst to tier 6 for more Flamu LUL videos. Atago at tier 7? LUL. How about Yamato at tier 6 with generic tier 6 bow/stern armour? Oh noes Nagato can pen my bow. LUL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #98 Posted October 17, 2016 So many people bringing up the "But it can get deleted fast" argument into this discussion... Seriously, have you people played the rest of cruisers? Name one (ok, St. Louis comes to mind) that doesn't get deleted fast... In terms of survivability, this thing is unkillable compared to that one ship on t7 also known as Pepsicola Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COSTS] Hanszeehock Alpha Tester 3,692 posts 5,959 battles Report post #99 Posted October 17, 2016 Belfast and Edinburgh are sister ships. They gave Belfast hydro, smoke and radar (3 consumables) to make up for loosing torpedoes. Yes, that's a bit OP at any tier. To drop Belfast down a tier 7 they gave her 13mm bow/stern armour. Wahooo big deal. She even keeps her tier 8 OP upgrade module. Seriously WTF? Tier 5 ships shouldn't have to face that **** Let's drop Scharnhorst to tier 6 for more Flamu LUL videos. Atago at tier 7? LUL. How about Yamato at tier 6 with generic tier 6 bow/stern armour? Oh noes Nagato can pen my bow. LUL. Your opinion is not actually based on any knowledge and out of date information. So we shall see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creamgravy Players 2,780 posts 17,292 battles Report post #100 Posted October 17, 2016 Your opinion is not actually based on any knowledge and out of date information. So we shall see. My option is based on the current Belfast spec. Which is.... Tier 8 upgrade slot. Tier 8 cruiser amour (114mm belt etc) with tier 7 RN CL bow/stern/superstructure sections (10-13mm. Normal tier 7 cruisers get 13-16mm) Tier 8 sister ship. No torpedoes but 3 consumables slots. Tell me why Belfast is tier 7, there's no NDA on her anymore right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
