Favorite shipgirl (Kancolle,Azur lane, Arpeggio of blue steel,Haifuri)

[LOZFFVII]

9 hours ago, Zemeritt said:

Talking about GFL, have you seen the new stuff for GFL2?

[...]

I guess Xcom with rifles

Had you not told me that was Girls Frontline, I never would have guessed.

[Zemeritt]

16 hours ago, LOZFFVII said:

Had you not told me that was Girls Frontline, I never would have guessed.

 

I'm certainly looking forward to it. Lets see how it works out.

[S_h_i_v_a]

Offtopic:

I'm no anime fan, but i have some favorite shipgirls of the TV BSG series.

In red Caprica Six,  right from her Starbuck, more at right Athena.

The best SF series before "The Expanse".

[LOZFFVII]

@S_h_i_v_a Welcome to the thread!

It's a shame that your tastes in women are so...

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Non-animated.

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[S_h_i_v_a]

1 ora fa, LOZFFVII ha scritto:

@S_h_i_v_a Welcome to the thread!

It's a shame that your tastes in women are so...

  Nascondi contenuti

Non-animated.

  Nascondi contenuti

 

 

 

I'm simply noting that there are "real" shipgirs, no need to animate them    

 

[Pururut]

7 hours ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

Offtopic:

I'm no anime fan, but i have some favorite shipgirls of the TV BSG series.

In red Caprica Six,  right from her Starbuck, more at right Athena.

The best SF series before "The Expanse".

 

Obvious Last Dinner is obvious but I think Baltar should have been the centerpiece. He is the best girl after all; smarts and looks both. 

[LOZFFVII]

55 minutes ago, Pururut said:

 

Obvious Last Dinner is obvious but I think Baltar should have been the centerpiece. He is the best girl after all; smarts and looks both. 

Well, if we're talking about the "Last Supper" allegory, we'd have to put the messianic archetype in the centre.

Unfortunately, as it has been well over a decade since Battlestar Galactica aired, I do not remember enough to confidently say who is the "messiah" in said show.

 

But all of this is completely off-topic for a thread focused on shipwaifus.

[Zemeritt]

Abit OT but I'm curious, what kind of games similar to AL do you all actually play?

 

Besides AL, Arknights is my main gacha. I even started GFL again, but I really dislike joining sich games so late after release.

[LOZFFVII]

49 minutes ago, Zemeritt said:

Abit OT but I'm curious, what kind of games similar to AL do you all actually play?

You already know the nitty gritty details of the gachas that I (used to) play, via our DMs.

But, I'll give a condensed list for anyone who might be interested:

Current:

• Azur Lane.

Quit:

• Fire Emblem Heroes*
• Pokemon Masters_ex
• Genshin Impact

* - I spent money on this game.

 

Interested in playing:

• Princess Connect Re:Dive
• Touhou Lost Word

[Marblehead_1]

2 hours ago, Zemeritt said:

Abit OT but I'm curious, what kind of games similar to AL do you all actually play?

 

Azur Lane is my only anime game which I actually play.

 

Previously I played also kancolle but quited as this production has 0 potential of change on better. I have many rare and very rare characters and tried to sold this on various sites for realistic price. I failed.

[MK1D]

11 hours ago, Zemeritt said:

Abit OT but I'm curious, what kind of games similar to AL do you all actually play?

I've been playing Azur Lane since its release and its definetly my favourite. I tried other gachas, but I never sticked to one for a longed peroid of time.

 

Kantai Collection (around when the 1st anime aired) was too much of a hassle to just play the game. Creating account through a lottery, using vpn to log into the game, having to rely on yt tutorials as fan-made ttranslation (which you had to update like every week) would only translate task description not the UI. Also around that time the usage of vpn was quite a gray area and there were cases of people getting banned out of nowwhere. I was done for good with kancolle when the fruits of my grind (Kaga, Atago lvl 70) kicked the bucket and were gone for good.

 

Grand Order is just a meme for its heartless drop rates. I enjoyed its soundtrack and how plot-driven the games is, but the constant grind to upgrade your servants was just too much. Plus the best characters are locked behind event-specific banners what makes the comically low drop rates even worse.

 

Girls' Frontline has the same stupid mechanic as Kancolle where your damaged girls are repaired over time. With Frontline I went full wallet warrior and purchased all repair slots. You only get like 7 repair slots and the repair time for heavily damaged high-level girls is over 13 hours. There are those quick repair buckets like in kancolle, but you gotta save them for events. It made me feel like I'm playing when the game allows me to and not when I want to.  

 

 

[WorthyOpponent]

I'm not going to lie to y'all, Abyss Front has some designs I like a lot. If it wasn't Japanese I wouldn't stop playing but even trying to find ship's name was a pain because of the language barrier. I started searching for hull numbers and stuff because of that game. Hopefully they'll think about a global release at one point.

 

Shoukaku was my 100% favorite there. 

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[LOZFFVII]

On 5/11/2021 at 7:14 PM, LOZFFVII said:

• Touhou Lost Word

Okay, so since the game finally had its release on the 11th, I have been playing this one and I have a few comments

Spoilered because this is a long post.

Spoiler

This game is extremely similar to Azur Lane in many ways:

• You have two premium currencies, one that is bought directly with money (God Crystals, or GC) and one that is earned easily in-game and directly used for the gacha (Sealed Crystals, or SC).
  • GC is used on quality-of-life improvements (such as increasing the amount of characters/"friends" or gear/"story cards" you can hold), and skins. You can use it to buy spirit or coins, but it's not recommended.
  • The key difference with THLW is that you can spend GC directly for 10 rolls. This costs a lot and is not recommended (but I think it's less than spending it for the respective amount of SC and coins).
• You have two "gating" currencies, similar to Oil and Coin. You even generate them in exactly the same way - through specific facilities. These facilities can even be upgraded with coin once your account reaches certain levels.
• One roll in the gacha costs 5SC and 1500coins. 10 rolls is 50SC and 15000coins.
  • Difference: You get one free roll per day. This is literally an option and greys out after you use it. EDIT: Turns out this is a launch event until the 18th. My mistake.
  • The gacha itself is also different. Instead of rolling for individual characters, you are rolling mainly for "Story Cards" which you can equip onto characters' spell cards for buffs when the spells activate (as well as stat buffs). Story Cards have rarity from 3* to 5*. 3* cards have a 45% chance to drop, 4* 40%, and 5* 10%. The final 5% is the chance to drop a Friend (i.e. a Touhou character).
  • Yeah, the chance to even get a character is the SR drop chance in this game. For this reason, Cards have mostly the same upgrade mechanics as the characters do, and even use the same materials.
    • For this reason, I highly recommend starting the game before June, so you can reap the rewards from the early bird sign-ups (including the free copies of Reimu and Marisa) so you're not stuck with only one character for a week if your gacha luck is bad (right when you first log in to the game, Remilia does a "fortune reading" and gives you a selection of cards and a free character - this character is 100% random from the game's starting pool EDIT2: This character is taken from a random pool of 7: Reimu, Marisa, Sanae, Sakuya, Youmu, Reisen, Chillno/Cirno).
    • If you log in for seven days straight you get Sanae as another freebie.
    • FYI my freebie starter was Sakuya.
  • Currently, there are two special gachas running:
    • A "72hr Special", which can only be rolled with GC.
    • A Youmu rate-up.
      • Rate ups have a pity system! (I don't know if the standard gacha has a pity system, due to not rolling on it) For every roll you get a "prayer point", and when you amass 150 of them you can exchange them for the rate-up character.
• Characters have skills that can be levelled up in the Dojo (this is literally identical to how AL levels up skills)
• Characters can be awakened by using extra copies (this is mostly the same as limit breaking in AL).
  • Awakening gives characters access to their full list of spell cards (and thus equipment slots). Spell cards are one-time attacks that deal damage and/or do other effects in battle, Story Cards equipped to spells will give passive stat buffs and trigger additional effects when you activate the spell cards.
  • Because of how the gatcha works, expect to use more universal awakening fodder than actual copies of characters for this. (so far, I don't think I'va actually aquired any fodder, but I'd need to check into the game again to find out)
• Characters and cards can be enhanced with items you get from grinding stages.
  • There are even rotating daily stages that you unlock progressively stronger versions of via your account level.
• There are "Errands" that you complete for extra experience as well as other rewards.
  • Characters sent on errands can still be used in battle (this is likely to prevent frustration due to how much harder it is to get characters in the game).
• There are missions that get completed as you do stuff, giving rewards. Exactly the same as AL.

Aside from the above similarities, the game is different:

• Despite it's source material, it's a pure RPG. No bullet hell here.
  • It's also not something you can readily auto right from the start, as the AI has a habit of spamming spellcards, even when it makes no sense (and spellcards are one-time use abilities, so it's also a waste).
• You play as a defined character within the story (she's even confirmed to be female!). She even gets a name separate from what you set as your username.
• It's Touhou, not WW2 warships (duh).
  • Because none of the characters have defined VAs, there's actually an option to choose from one of three VAs for each character, or turn them off altogether!

 

There may be more things to comment on that I haven't thought of here (I am still very early in the game, so there is probably more stuff that I haven't discovered yet).

Tl;dr: if you like Azur Lane and you like Touhou, it's well worth your time.

Time will tell if it's worth your money, too (so far, none of the skins are doing anything for me).

[WorthyOpponent]

Only 2 things bother me in Touhou Lost Word

The chance of getting a character seems to be too low, I got tons of soul story(? whatever they're called) and only 4 characters in more than 45 rolls. 2 of these are already given from the story and 1 of them is guaranteed at the start, so only 1. 

 

Also the elemental system seems kinda confusing, I don't understand anything while reading the description of these equipment thingies. I guess I'll trust on the AI to do the right thing until I get a grasp of it. 

[LOZFFVII]

12 hours ago, WorthyOpponent said:

Only 2 things bother me in Touhou Lost Word

The chance of getting a character seems to be too low, I got tons of soul story(? whatever they're called) and only 4 characters in more than 45 rolls. 2 of these are already given from the story and 1 of them is guaranteed at the start, so only 1. 

 

Also the elemental system seems kinda confusing, I don't understand anything while reading the description of these equipment thingies. I guess I'll trust on the AI to do the right thing until I get a grasp of it. 

1. It's 5% per roll. Roll enough and you should be able to make a modest collection. At the very least, it feels as though the story is balanced so you don't really need a full 6-person party to be able to progress. Also, there are no story-related drops, the two you are referring to (Reimu and Marisa) are from the pre-registration rally (along with the 45kcoins and 150SC) and as such are only garanteed until early June. Don't forget if you keep signing in for 7days, you'll get a freebie Sanae, too.
   • I got rather lucky this morning, I got Youmu in my freebie roll and then both Ran and Nitori in my 10-pull from the Youmu rate-up. 40+ rolls and three characters already, I think I just got lucky but 1-or-2 characters from the gacha seems about right to me (according to my calculator, 0.95⁴⁰=12%, so you're very likely to have pulled at least one character by this point).
   • And trust me, Genshin Impact's horrifically low 0.6% is much worse than 5% (at least all of THLW's characters are at the same rarity).
2. I don't fully understand it either. I don't think there's a strict rock-paper-scissors system like Pokemon, rather each character (and mob) has a set list of strengths and weaknesses. My rule of thumb: avoid using attacks that hit an opponent's resistances, and always go for a weakness when available. Fortunately, every stage lists what elements are best on the team selection screen. As for equipment, I just use whatever seems appropriate (and try to focus on Ying/Yang Atk/Def up over other stats).

[WorthyOpponent]

12 minutes ago, LOZFFVII said:

1. It's 5% per roll. Roll enough and you should be able to make a modest collection. At the very least, it feels as though the story is balanced so you don't really need a full 6-person party to be able to progress. Also, there are no story-related drops, the two you are referring to (Reimu and Marisa) are from the pre-registration rally (along with the 45kcoins and 150SC) and as such are only garanteed until early June. Don't forget if you keep signing in for 7days, you'll get a freebie Sanae, too.
   • I got rather lucky this morning, I got Youmu in my freebie roll and then both Ran and Nitori in my 10-pull from the Youmu rate-up. 40+ rolls and three characters already, I think I just got lucky but 1-or-2 characters from the gacha seems about right to me (according to my calculator, 0.95⁴⁰=12%, so you're very likely to have pulled at least one character by this point).
   •  And trust me, Genshin Impact's horrifically low 0.6% is much worse than 5% (at least all of THLW's characters are at the same rarity)

I also got Youmu from the first, then got a fairy(?) called Lily White. That's all I have. After exactly 40 gachas excluding the beginner still got only 1. I guess I wasted all my luck somewhere else.

 

I know, I don't like Genshin in the slightest either. Not solely for this though, of course.

 

24 minutes ago, LOZFFVII said:

I don't fully understand it either. I don't think there's a strict rock-paper-scissors system like Pokemon, rather each character (and mob) has a set list of strengths and weaknesses. My rule of thumb: avoid using attacks that hit an opponent's resistances, and always go for a weakness when available. Fortunately, every stage lists what elements are best on the team selection screen. As for equipment, I just use whatever seems appropriate (and try to focus on Ying/Yang Atk/Def up over other stats).

It would be less of a problem if they actually told us what these are instead of using 2 letter acronyms I guess, but I found them out somehow:

 

They have Sun, Moon, Fire, Water, Wood, Metal, Earth and Star. 

 

how these interact with each other? No idea. It seems to change depending on character and I guess that's why they include which elements a character is weak to while you're battling. 

 

 

As a battling strategy, I just use, the one with higher CP. Worked so far 

[LOZFFVII]

55 minutes ago, WorthyOpponent said:

As a battling strategy, I just use, the one with higher CP. Worked so far 

I have no idea what CP is, but it does seem to scale with the more powerful attacks.

Spoiler

https://gamepress.gg/lostword/

A quick skim of the battle mechanics page on the Touhou Wiki gives a better idea of how the system works, notably buffing your skills using spirit power actually increases the number of bullets fired. You know when you buff attacks and you occasionally gain elements? That's because you're adding bullets with that element to the attack.

 

Using this, my strategy is to attack the first 2 waves mostly using Spread Shots (the attack button on the left) to gain more spirit power items, then use max power buffed focus shots (the attack button on the right) or spell cards on the final wave.

This is basically the flowchart of what I do for basic mobs:

(A) [Turn Start]-> Activate all Character skills (apart from healing) -> Graze first character -> Shoot most dangerous enemy with Spread Shot (you can change target by tapping on them) -> Graze second character -> shoot with spread shot again -> graze third character -> shoot with spread again.

This should kill the mob you are targeting. Assuming you don't one-shot it, the graze is to reduce the amount of damage your characters take from the remaining two characters. On the following turn you should only have two mobs left, so:

(B) Repeat the above, ignoring the grazing steps (if you only kill one of them, well there's only one left so you don't need to worry about grazing their damage unless it's effective).

For the second wave, repeat (A) to kill the first enemy, and (B) to finish off the wave.

Then for the final wave, if it's just a mob wave:

(C) Use max power charged All-hitting spell cards.

If it's a Boss wave:

(D) Activate all skills if available. Graze all characters, use all spell cards on the boss. Finish off remaining enemies on following turn. (Note that this strategy does not work on the final boss of Chapter 1, because she has a lot more health than the mob battle bosses)

 

The following is the tier values of your characters (if you care about that sort of thing):

Spoiler

https://gamepress.gg/lostword/list/touhou-lostword-tier-list

 

S-Tier: Reimu and Youmu. You got really lucky with your "starter" being half-baked, she's very strong (comparitively, my starter Sakuya is C tier). Reimu's only weakness is a lack of draw aggro, other than that, she's apparently really good with her def buffs.

C-Tier: Marisa and Lily White. Marisa's apparently pretty unfocused and not very effective as an attacker. Lily is only one of two healers (the other being Sanae) and is the lesser of the two (Sanae is B tier, so if you can hold on for a week you can just replace Lily with Sanae).

 

 

 

[El2aZeR]

On 5/11/2021 at 7:17 PM, Zemeritt said:

Abit OT but I'm curious, what kind of games similar to AL do you all actually play?

 

In terms of gacha:

Kantai Collection, Girls Frontline, Arknights, Genshin Impact and most recently Touhou Lost Word.

 

Yeah, I'm pretty deep in gacha hell.

 

 

On 5/13/2021 at 7:13 AM, WorthyOpponent said:

Only 2 things bother me in Touhou Lost Word

 

Agree with the rolls, though imo it's more that they're too expensive.

Another thing I dislike about it is that... tbh it seems to lack content? Apparently the story already ends with Chapter 2 Episode 4 unless I'm missing something.

[LOZFFVII]

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

Another thing I dislike about it is that... tbh it seems to lack content? Apparently the story already ends with Chapter 2 Episode 4 unless I'm missing something.

Yeah, it ends with Ch2Ep4. Halfway through the second Lost Word Incident.

At least we still get three difficulty levels to grind in the meantime (Normal, Hard and Lunatic).

I've read on reddit that grinding the final boss of Ch1 on Lunatic gives a very useful story card.

 

In anycase, I feel it's a tad too shallow to be spending money on right now, so I'm gonna wait until Satori is added before deciding if I want to whale.

[LOZFFVII]

Nobody cares if I double-post, right?

On 5/6/2021 at 7:33 PM, Zemeritt said:

Since we've a rerun event currently, I do wonder what will happen afterwards.

On 5/6/2021 at 8:04 PM, Marblehead_1 said:

CN and JP have now rerun of Tartu event while EN has rerun of Hardy event. Interesting did it means rerun of Richelieu event or maybe it's just not connected with anything?

On 5/7/2021 at 12:28 AM, LOZFFVII said:

Considering CN, JP and EN are all supposed to be having content parity now, it's surprising we're getting different reruns of small events.

Tartu's event is the only one of the two with a direct connection to a large event - that being the Richelieu event. Although Z2 does show up in the story of the whatsitcalled event (the Suruga event - the one that hinted at Shinano waay back in Jan 2020).

It could be that JP/CN is getting the Richelieu rerun event and we're getting Suruga rerun? Then a new major event after that and the following rerun events will be flipped between regions (i.e. we'll get Richelieu and JP/CN will get Suruga)?

Don't know at this point, we'll likely have to wait another week or two to find out.

The next event (Scheduled for end of May) is apparently going to be a NEW Large Eagle Union event!

People on twitter are hypothesizing it's going to be the Iowa event.

I'm more sceptical, because I'm anticipating Iowa to be a UR ship, but then I don't really have any clue as to which ship will be the focus (unless the poem at the start of the twitter post is a hint?).

[Marblehead_1]

6 minutes ago, LOZFFVII said:

Nobody cares if I double-post, right?

The next event (Scheduled for end of May) is apparently going to be a NEW Large Eagle Union event!

People on twitter are hypothesizing it's going to be the Iowa event.

I'm more sceptical, because I'm anticipating Iowa to be a UR ship, but then I don't really have any clue as to which ship will be the focus (unless the poem at the start of the twitter post is a hint?).

We have UR CL ( Sandy ), UR BB ( Warspite ), UR CV ( Shinano ) I would discard any CVL or DD as less dignitiful. Please no Jonhston as I had enough of hype for her because finding wreck to the level that I was afraid to open fridge, newspaper and toilet to do not see Lenin Jonhston. Maybe rather Des Moines or Salem? Introducing Iowa could generate extreme saltiness of can't colle hardcores ( I want to swim in their tears! ) so I would rather expect Missouri and much less Wisconsin.

 

Asanagi-sama made arts for AL... I hope you know what this can mean? 

 

inb4 USN event got Formidabled and UR was Yamato or Colbert 

[LOZFFVII]

1 minute ago, Marblehead_1 said:

I would discard any [...] DD as less dignitiful.

As a self-confessed DD simp, I'll take that as an insult.

Also, you should see the number of people on reddit who want Johnston to be UR.

 

3 minutes ago, Marblehead_1 said:

Asanagi-sama made arts for AL... I hope you know what this can mean? 

*Vietnam falshbacks intensify*

[Marblehead_1]

3 minutes ago, LOZFFVII said:

As a self-confessed DD simp, I'll take that as an insult.

Also, you should see the number of people on reddit who want Johnston to be UR.

 

*Vietnam falshbacks intensify*

UR should be justified by something like dunno size, history, activity. Shinano at least was biggest WWII carrier. From CVL's we have Independence and Princeton. Saipan or Wright are IMO not such recognizable ( they could be definitely USN healers ) but not worth UR imo. In case of DD's Jonhston could be UR without much discusions. Sorry I just have allergy for this ship hype.

 

Des Moines class have main guns and aa guns in Gear LAB which can hint them as same as Yamato class have aa guns from same construction. Worcester could be answer to cries of crybabies about Chapter 13 but IMO we have enough heavy AA ships. Also introducing "monsters" from WoWs TX could be too much for mechanics and balance. 

 

Anyway I'm curious how big anti torpedo protection will have new UR ( if there will be UR ofc ) Very big, ultra big or maybe monstrous big?  

Yuro voice: Place your bets now!

[Zemeritt]

How long is Shinano event passed? They said they planned on maybe one gacha UR per year?

 

I could see an Iowa coming. Since it's a major event, I doubt any Essex will be able to headline it.

One SD is also missing (Indiana). Otherwise some older standarts are also not in the game, but I also doubt they'll headline such an event.

 

I could see something like a Essex Yorktown/Hornet/Lexington. As they would be interesting with the original counterparts.

[LOZFFVII]

I'm going to be very blunt with my counter-arguments, so forgive me but I mean no ill will.

40 minutes ago, Marblehead_1 said:

UR should be justified by something like dunno size, history, activity.

Azuma, FdG and Drake?

Ryuuhou is SR for some reason.

40 minutes ago, Marblehead_1 said:

Shinano at least was biggest WWII carrier.

Only in displacement (due to weight of armour). Midway was bigger (had to be, to carry more planes).

40 minutes ago, Marblehead_1 said:

In case of DD's Jonhston could be UR without much discusions.

In that case, why isn't Yukikaze UR (multiple heavy battles fought, no major damage sustained)? Jervis would definitely be UR by that definition (multiple heavy battles fought, no major damage and not a single man lost).

 

In my personal opinion, UR should represent the pinacle of what that nation could build during the time period, in particular they should represent technology that didn't exist until post-war.

In that sense, Shinano gets a pass due to being a Yamato-class hull conversion. IJN's real UR CVs should be the Unryuu-class (I wonder how many of us forgot that KC has Unryuu-class shipgirls?).

Retrofit URs get a pass due to how the retrofit system works in the game (retrofit always knocks the rarity of the ship up one level).

UR PR ships get a pass due to being special in a way (WG's babies).

We agree that ships like Des Moines and Worcester should be UR, but I'd also posit that Shimakaze should be UR due to being the pinacle of IJN DD design (excluding Akizuki/Kitakaze). With this being said, Daring-class and Gearing-class should also both be UR. Tiger-class is a bit iffy, although they were based on Minotaur, they could not be fully realised due to budgets so they may be limited to SR (and while I've mentioned her, I'm still disappointed that the recent Sardegna event referenced the Minotaur of legend, but HMS Minotaur didn't get featured in the story).

 

37 minutes ago, Zemeritt said:

How long is Shinano event passed? They said they planned on maybe one gacha UR per year?

That they did. I'm still hoping for Shimakaze.

37 minutes ago, Zemeritt said:

I could see an Iowa coming. Since it's a major event, I doubt any Essex will be able to headline it.

Could be Midway? If there's any US ship that would definitely qualify for UR, it'd be Midway.

37 minutes ago, Zemeritt said:

One SD is also missing (Indiana).

What do you mean by "SD"?

37 minutes ago, Zemeritt said:

I could see something like a Essex Yorktown/Hornet/Lexington. As they would be interesting with the original counterparts.

Retrofit Laffey is a reference to the Allen M Sumner-class Laffey, though. I think it's more likely we'll see those CVs get retrofits that reference the Essex-class ships (two of them would even be bumped up to SR as a result, to match the rest of the Essex-class).