[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #1 Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) Having been around for quite a while since Alpha for WoT and Beta for WoWs, I am continually amazed at the Wargaming Forums. Are these forums just a place to go to vent when you have had a run of bad games, a place to ridicule and belittle / destroy completely a variety of people... or are they a place for sharing knowlege and understanding of the game mechanics/ news/ updates etc etc? seemingly often the former and rarely the latter... Earlier today I got a PM from a long time forumite regarding a thread about this sort of issue, the level of toxicity, hatred and outright bullying that is taking place within these forums is currently unforgivable. There seems to be a particular 'clique' who are suppoed to be the link between devs and playerbase who do nothing but ridicule and pour scorn upon other players... you all know who you are. After a long and frankly awful set of exchages between this 'clique' and several public players the thread was heavily edited (finally) by the moderators and relegated to the trashcan archives. Seemingly there is a scism between the Mods/ Players which is getting wider by the day, fuelled and fanned by the Supertesters, when a leader of one of the most populous clans is openly insulted, ridiculed and defamed by a Supertest co ordinator then there is something seriously wrong with this community... the fact that they 'seem' to have the full support of the moderators is also somewhat worrisome. To Quote the final moderated post: "Previous topics on this matter have been closed due to certain forum members intending to cause disruption within the forum because they know how much such a controversial topic can cause trouble and get out of hand very quickly, as happened again in this topic. If you have any specific grievances about how the forum is run or the community team then please PM a member of the community team directly. During this entire thread there was only one person breaking any rules and he HAS NOT been sanctioned and indeed is still apparently a trusted member of the WG team Yes it would be nice if such topics could be discussed and debated in a constructive and civil manner but unfortunately there are too many members who take it just a bit too far and ruin it for the rest. Here again the derailment and uncivil behaviour was instigated and continued by one person As such, this thread and any other thread made of the same or similar topic matter will be closed because as has been shown, such a topic cannot be discussed without numerous forum rules being broken." I think that the best way we now have to begin to gain better treatment of the people who pay the wages around here are for those who are bothered, that we on the EU are treated as a cash cow, disregarded, left in the dark and generally treated like children... is to move onto social media sites such as Twitter, Facebook and reddit and express our displeasure someplace where our voices will be heard, without abuse and childishness from these individuals. Edited October 9, 2016 by cherry2blost 22 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] Jethro_Grey Players 5,207 posts 25,733 battles Report post #2 Posted October 9, 2016 I consider this to be a good idea, since you can't use this forum to discuss certain topics, without it being derailed by WGs supporting actors guild, or ignored by CMs. Reddit would be a good place to start, facebook of course and other forums where a dedicated subsection for games in general or WoWS specifically exists. Spread the word. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenerallKrizmuz Players 711 posts Report post #3 Posted October 9, 2016 I consider this to be a good idea, since you can't use this forum to discuss certain topics, without it being derailed by WGs supporting actors guild, or ignored by CMs. Reddit would be a good place to start, facebook of course and other forums where a dedicated subsection for games in general or WoWS specifically exists. Spread the word. and yet you're still here 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #4 Posted October 9, 2016 I consider this to be a good idea, since you can't use this forum to discuss certain topics, without it being derailed by WGs supporting actors guild, or ignored by CMs. Reddit would be a good place to start, facebook of course and other forums where a dedicated subsection for games in general or WoWS specifically exists. Spread the word. Have re posted this post to reddit hopefully we can have a meaningful conversation without 'interference' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] Jethro_Grey Players 5,207 posts 25,733 battles Report post #5 Posted October 9, 2016 and yet you're still here Of course i'm here, what's your point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vogel Alpha Tester 2,062 posts 4,171 battles Report post #6 Posted October 9, 2016 People in this forum hardly ever share an uniform opinion and attitude; just look at all the whine threads regarding a plentitude of subjects. The same applies to ST as well. Also, Redditch seems to be the medium with most dev/WG employee presence. At least relatively to the English EU forum, sadly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,963 battles Report post #7 Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) Kinda disappointing to see that you're throwing everybody with a certain tag into the same proverbial bucket. Does not seem to be warranted, really, regardless of what "group" someone seems to be part of. At the same time, it's rather surprising to see you picking on a ST coordinator while at the same time defending a Clan leader who did no better. Edited October 9, 2016 by Takru 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KOKOS] MaxxyNL [KOKOS] Beta Tester, Players 3,418 posts 11,878 battles Report post #8 Posted October 9, 2016 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] OldGrandad Supertester 3,404 posts 35,711 battles Report post #9 Posted October 9, 2016 You know that moment that someone says 'did you read that exciting article in yesterday's paper' and you realise you threw it away........ Went back to the bin and looks like the dog has chewed it up...... Anyway, cherry what you are suggesting (external sites for voicing opinions), is really in place and has been from the beginning. The issue we have here, are individuals who want themselves to be heard over everyone else regardless of anyone else's voice/opinion. My wish is for the void to close, more accurate and timely information to arrive at the EU and less hostility from all parties. Of course i'm here, what's your point? Generall is sour because Krizmuz only comes once a year........ 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister_Greek Supertester 1,046 posts 4,551 battles Report post #10 Posted October 9, 2016 *Hugs everyone* You gib more moneyz now? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiledip ∞ Players 374 posts 15,384 battles Report post #11 Posted October 9, 2016 Its the internet. People haven't got used to the concept of polite debate and see any "discussion" as something to win or lose, sadly at any cost. It will not change by switching the site, people are people and thus like to "belong" to one cause,viewpoint or clan or another. This inabillty to undertake proper discussion has grown exponentially throughout my lifetime sadly, it seems with each passing year technology advances but the social skills of the average human regresses many times more. Basically don't try to debate things on a public forum, people can't do it any more as they are too busy trying to make others look foolish or bragging etc. The majority of people have no interest in discovering the truth, what interests them is that everyone else believes that they are right. Whenever I read those threads they have a dense odour of emptiness of both heads but also lives. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnuSuaraj Alpha Tester 665 posts 10,194 battles Report post #12 Posted October 9, 2016 What were they fighting about? The infamous Supertester and that naughty clan leader? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #13 Posted October 9, 2016 What were they fighting about? The infamous Supertester and that naughty clan leader? I bet nothing really interesting, something in line "why are you breathing" or whatever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #14 Posted October 9, 2016 Kinda disappointing to see that you're throwing everybody with a certain tag into the same proverbial bucket. Does not seem to be warranted, really, regardless of what "group" someone seems to be part of. At the same time, it's rather surprising to see you picking on a ST coordinator while at the same time defending a Clan leader who did no better. I am sorry but no, Hans was out to get the thread derailed from the start and you can't convince anyone otherwise unless that person has had a lobotomy. _FTD_ did nothing wrong in that thread. ( edit: except taking the bait laid out for him ) edit: and this thread will get locked as well now since it's back to 'he sad she said'. Maybe I should finally make a REDDIT account as well... edit2: on the other hand, I am not going to defend the OP off that previous thread so I can understand the sentiment which fueled the direction that thread went. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OiMateYouSankMyBattleShp Players 98 posts Report post #15 Posted October 9, 2016 The main reason why forum bullying exists is that the ''bullies'' consist of stats paddling gamers who think them selfs as the best and anything less as them is not worthy to express their opinion in any shape or form. And if they do the swarm of vultures will fly over their prey and keep picking at it until goes away. simple as that, seen worse in War Thunder forums tho, the simulator section is quite cancerous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #16 Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) I am sorry but no, Hans was out to get the thread derailed from the start and you can't convince anyone otherwise unless that person has had a lobotomy. _FTD_ did nothing wrong in that thread. edit: and this thread will get locked as well now since it's back to 'he sad she said'. Maybe I should finally make a REDDIT account as well... edit2: on the other hand, I am not going to defend the OP off that previous thread so I can understand the sentiment which fueled the direction that thread went. mtm... it isn't just THAT thread, there does seem to be a pattern emerging of a total lack of contact/info from Mods/Devs... when someone does ask why the thread is invariably derailed by a [edited] and then shut down by a mod when the discussion goes against said [edited] viewpoint. (edited after some thought) I did not see anything particularly wrong with the OP in the other thread UNTIL it was derailed by said simian. Edited October 9, 2016 by RogDodgeUK This post has been edited by a member of the Moderation Team, due to forum rules violation.~RogDodgeUK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #17 Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) Main reason for it's existence is to provide oportunity to blame the ingame counter for being OP. Edited October 9, 2016 by aboomination Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #18 Posted October 9, 2016 What the OP said was indeed worth a discussion, and you could go back and you will see plenty of people who were happy to do so ( including ST ). That being said, you're putting to much emphasis on the tag's, trust me, ST is NOT an WG employee. Telling them to 'properly' test something is also quite insulting to them as it gives the impressions you hold them responsible for the outcome of whatever, and their input it in reality quite limited. I resigned but I still hold a large number of people there in very high regard and it doesn't sit well that you're trying to put blame when there can be none. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,963 battles Report post #19 Posted October 9, 2016 mtm... it isn't just THAT thread, there does seem to be a pattern emerging of a total lack of contact/info from Mods/Devs... That I understand and agree on. when someone does ask why the thread is invariably derailed by a tame monkey and then shut down by a mod when the discussion goes against said monkies viewpoint. Think that the supertesters need to get back to what they are supposed to be doing testing (properly) the RN Cruisers and not cruising the forums looking a for a fight all the time. However, that kind of posting doesn't help at all. I'm at a loss as to why you're insulting all people in ST when you apparently get along with mtm, who used to be in ST. Can't help but feel as if you're out against anybody with a tag you don't like instead of trying to get answers to the questions you say you have. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister_Greek Supertester 1,046 posts 4,551 battles Report post #20 Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) -Sensible Martian stuff by statpadding fella- An error occurred You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day Edited October 9, 2016 by Mister_Greek Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #21 Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) However, that kind of posting doesn't help at all. I'm at a loss as to why you're insulting all people in ST when you apparently get along with mtm, who used to be in ST. Can't help but feel as if you're out against anybody with a tag you don't like instead of trying to get answers to the questions you say you have. Point taken and edited.... However the particular individual does appear to be only around to cruise for a fight on the forums all the time. Some level of input from Devs maybe via mods or properly appointed player reps may be a better move, some of us (many more than expected probably) dont use social media for a variety of reasons and the 'Official in game forum' SHOULD be the go to place for News, advice etc. Not FB/TW/Reddit et al... Timely posting of Monthly calendars SHOULD be available BEFORE the end of the previous month, or just don't have one at all because late is invariably worse than not at all. Mods need to be more engaged not just popping in to red hammer threads, come and chat to your customers we can actually be quite nice at times. Also I think that it is about time that we lost all the player group tags, AT/BT/ST etc just 'player' would be better as it is just another method of measuring the size of ones ego...... no one really needs to know who was an AT/BT/ST as it makes no difference apart from formenting differences in conversations. Edited October 9, 2016 by cherry2blost 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,963 battles Report post #22 Posted October 9, 2016 Some level of input from Devs maybe via mods or properly appointed player reps may be a better move, some of us (many more than expected probably) dont use social media for a variety of reasons and the 'Official in game forum' SHOULD be the go to place for News, advice etc. Not FB/TW/Reddit et al... Timely posting of Monthly calendars SHOULD be available BEFORE the end of the previous month, or just don't have one at all because late is invariably worse than not at all. Again, I fully understand and agree with your here. It'd be great if it was like that. However, for reasons unknown to any of us, it is not that way. Rest assured, I'm waiting for an October calender as much as the next guy for example. Mods need to be more engaged not just popping in to red hammer threads, come and chat to your customers we can actually be quite nice at times. As I understand it, Mods are not WG employees. Those chaps are there for a specific function, similar to ST. Additionally, I kinda understand when mods don't want to mingle with the rest of the users, because of their position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-A] cherry2blost [BAD-A] Beta Tester 2,078 posts 22,300 battles Report post #23 Posted October 9, 2016 (edited) As I understand it, Mods are not WG employees. Those chaps are there for a specific function, similar to ST. Additionally, I kinda understand when mods don't want to mingle with the rest of the users, because of their position. The NA server seems to run a different way as they do engage with their customer base. Quoted about mods as the other server mods DO NOT seems to have the same issues with position etc.... Edited October 9, 2016 by cherry2blost Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Takru Supertester, Players, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 3,851 posts 23,963 battles Report post #24 Posted October 9, 2016 The NA server seems to run a different way as they do engage with their customer base. Yep, noticed that as well. Sadly, this doesn't change a thing for WG EU, as NA is NA and EU is EU. ... not sure why you chose to quote the comment about mods here, though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KOKOS] MaxxyNL [KOKOS] Beta Tester, Players 3,418 posts 11,878 battles Report post #25 Posted October 9, 2016 As I understand it, Mods are not WG employees. Correct me if i am wrong, but as far as i know, mods are on the WG Payroll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
