Automated Comms please - EU is multilingual

[V_RASK]

Many other EU forum members have brought up this issue before but reading at the posts regarding the current ranked season, and by own experience, I have realised that lack of automated communications is seriously disabling the possibility of better team play.

 

Some days ago in ranked I was trying to understand what the French captain of our CV was saying ( just me and him at the end of the match). He was saying "no more planes", "stay alive" but it was in French which unforunatelly I don't know.

It was a crucial information lost !!!

 

Dear WG, the EU server is covering a large multilingual community, in contrast to the RU and NA communities.

There are 24 or more official languages that your players can be speaking.

Game chat (aiming at team cooperation in either ranked or randoms) is almost useless to those players who do not speak English, German or French for example.

 

Automated F button chat phrases are a great start, I grant you that. Especially F7 and F3.

But it is not enough, especially for the EU server !

 

I know it is not that simple and there are always technical issues but ....the F buttons are not enough to implement a large variety of phrases/requests.

I am sure however, that the EU community is large enough for you to please have a look into this.

 

Limiting them to a ship or branch (BBs, DDs, etc.) could narrow down the number of F buttons needed.

Some examples could be: "laying out smoke" for destroyers or "pushing through A/B/C" for BBs. "spotting C" for CVs etc. with their respective local translations of course.

 

So please, avoid the frustration, when providing us with games modes in which team play is absolutely required, don't forget the necessary communications tools.

 

Thanks

[MaxxyNL]

Game chat (aiming at team cooperation in either ranked or randoms) is almost useless to those players who do not speak English, German or French for example.

 

There is a big difference between not able to speak/type in English, or, like some players from certain countries do, refuse to talk/type in English. 

[ajappat]

Or some morons could just learn english like most of us.

[V_RASK]

Indeed potatoes will be potatoes but especially in ranked you can't play without cooperation.

And even if all spoke and wrote in English fast commands would help with slow typers.

 

[Fino_93]

it's fun cause i think that f-messages are the ruin of the chat as a teamplay element, the only one usefull is the f3, "affermative" "negative", providing cover for" and "SoS" could be usefull but people don't use them properly: half of the times you ask/propose something in chat the same player give you both yes/no rensponse, or you propose something like "guys we have to going there for winning!" and lots of player give you the "affermative" but they going on the opposite side, or maybe in the middle of the action you see an "SoS" and you distract yourself to see that the camping BB on the border of the map without enemies around has launched it (seriously, it happens often, what is wrong with you, not only camping but also spamming?).

While before the chat was filled with these messages the people took care of what they are writing, if the medium player takes the time to write "SoS" in the chat it's because he is in danger and he feel that other people can save him, same if he write "yes" or "no", that does mean that he red what you have written and is givin his opinion about it, i don't know why if you give him the possibility to launch these message with a single move he start spamming them or use them in a wrong way.

 

Other messages like "good luck" are only spam, the cancer of the chat at the beginning of the match when normal player try to discuss the strategy.

 

So sorry, but i don't feel the necessity of f.messages in my language...

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

Other messages like "good luck" are only spam, the cancer of the chat at the beginning of the match when normal player try to discuss the strategy.

 

Yes, they should replace that one, and "That was a great battle!" with something more useful,e.g.

- "F***ing noob team"

- "Don't Cap - we might win!"

[Mister_Greek]

I expect  everyone to be able to understand basic expressions in English. "Go to A" or "Go to B" isnt that difficult to understand.

 

As MaxxyNL said,there are ppl from certain countries who simply refuse to use the English language and those "Certain Countries" are known imho.....

 

Hint: Greece is also included,i am staggered how many Greeks dont know/refuse to speak English.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

 

Hint: Greece is also included,i am staggered how many Greeks dont know/refuse to speak English.

 

I'm a bit surprised at that. Mind you, whenever we go to Greece, the "Other Half" always speaks to them in Greek (she's Greek Cypriot). She never has any trouble, because people are so friendly, except in Athens. She says that it's the only place where they laugh at her accent.

[V_RASK]

it's fun cause i think that f-messages are the ruin of the chat as a teamplay element, the only one usefull is the f3, "affermative" "negative", providing cover for" and "SoS" could be usefull but people don't use them properly: half of the times you ask/propose something in chat the same player give you both yes/no rensponse, or you propose something like "guys we have to going there for winning!" and lots of player give you the "affermative" but they going on the opposite side, or maybe in the middle of the action you see an "SoS" and you distract yourself to see that the camping BB on the border of the map without enemies around has launched it (seriously, it happens often, what is wrong with you, not only camping but also spamming?).

While before the chat was filled with these messages the people took care of what they are writing, if the medium player takes the time to write "SoS" in the chat it's because he is in danger and he feel that other people can save him, same if he write "yes" or "no", that does mean that he red what you have written and is givin his opinion about it, i don't know why if you give him the possibility to launch these message with a single move he start spamming them or use them in a wrong way.

 

Other messages like "good luck" are only spam, the cancer of the chat at the beginning of the match when normal player try to discuss the strategy.

 

So sorry, but i don't feel the necessity of f.messages in my language...

 

I remember not long ago, when the chat commands didnt exist, we had no chance of communication at all (even for those few willing). I quite like it more now.

It is not that important if we will be facing those players, it is their choise, but at least give us the tools (again, for those willing) and judging form the active forum participants, we are not that few.

 

I expect  everyone to be able to understand basic expressions in English. "Go to A" or "Go to B" isnt that difficult to understand.

 

As MaxxyNL said,there are ppl from certain countries who simply refuse to use the English language and those "Certain Countries" are known imho.....

 

Hint: Greece is also included,i am staggered how many Greeks dont know/refuse to speak English.

 

Yep, these goto commands already exist with the F3, and when used are ignored at an expeced percentage.

But when it works, and I am sure we all had those magic games where most players perform in coordination and its pure joy.

 

Imho, is someone doesn't want or can't speak English should be irrelavant if the tools are provided.

 

 

[Fino_93]

 

Yes, they should replace that one, and "That was a great battle!" with something more useful,e.g.

- "F***ing noob team"

- "Don't Cap - we might win!"

 

 

Well i didn't say i don't like this type of interaction in the game, i often respond at people that type in the chat, however it's the same situation of the "teorically usefull message": 

-if a player take the time to communicate something to me, even this type of small talks, it's ok and well accepted.

-If a player it's only sending the message in the chat same chat in wich another players are writing something that is match-related, making more difficoult for them to discuss (cause you often receive lots of instantly message in succession) while he ignores the important discussion, he is only a spammer.

 

 

[RoyalColor]

Language differences aside, it's quite striking that a game, where team play is paramount and most important objective, is so much lacking in that department. Seriously those 10 or something quick commands are a joke.

 

We need more tools that "force" players to give information on their status, heading and overall intentions in the game, all done in an easy and readable way. I don't think it's really that difficult to implement and would greatly increase comfort of gameplay.

 

For me personally this issue is more nagging than buffing this, nerfing that...

[G3Virus]

WG should also fix the broken F3 button. Hammered it like 10 times when I spotted the CV for 5-6 seconds, but no it refused to work despite aiming at the ship and it being the only ship in line of site. One can use Ctrl and the cursor to improve precision but its appals me that something this basic is so broken and NO one seems to want to fix it or even mentioning it.

 

Other then that most F keys are useless spam buttons anyway and when they where added I immediately turned the sound of because I could not stand the spam.

 

Also noticed now that disabling chat messages from spammers dont effect the F keys. I had a BB player spamming F6 the HOWL dam match, T7 German BB sailing in strait line to the boarder.

But no Disabling the fing message from him did nothing.

 

Also English is the primary language on the internet, Im a dyslectic, my teachers refused to acknowledge this back in the day so I learned little to nothing of it in school.

Computers allowed me to learn most of what I know even if write like sh*t at times.

No if some people refuses to speak English just because there from a country whit that sentimentality then I think they could just shut up or get a chat ban if they spam the chat with anything but English.

Its just disrespectful realy to everyone else from the modern world.

 

I even think WG has som policy that English is the only allowed language on the EU server to tough never checked if its true.

 

The howl chat and F key system is broken and we dont need to encourage people that refuses to learn or speak English to use there native language.

 

A good solution for them is to play DIV and use the DIV chat, there they can spam all they want.

 

I people cant learn to use English on the internet well then  they should not use any services requiring anything but native language on the internet to start with.

[Djansolo]

 

 

As long as they work like the current F-buttons, I flat out ignore them.

Also if someone ping my ship or area without a comment in chat, that will also be ignored.

 

I would rather people type "A" in chat than use some precoded message that spams the chat wwith 2-3 lines of text.

[Babykim]

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[RenamedUser_92906789]

For real?

Chat is not enough? F keys are not enough.. you would want more?

 

For the last time ... ITS PEOPLE not the game. Now devs should patch this, because some dont speak English. Cmon...

[V_RASK]

You are right, its the people really that can't seem to able to communicate.

It is not only the language issue, it is also the non- maturity issue of some players and message spamming.

The rudeness, hate and complexes of others is also common in on line games.

These will always be there for us to face.

 

But having the comms tools to play like a team should be there for those willing to use them.

Especially in the EU region.

[mtm78]

For real?

Chat is not enough? F keys are not enough.. you would want more?

 

For the last time ... ITS PEOPLE not the game. Now devs should patch this, because some dont speak English. Cmon...

 

Tbh, I actually think a Z menu like in WoT would be ideal and certainly more manageable then the F keys. Radial menu works quicker and is more intuitive. 

[th3freakie]

People not speaking English is their own problem - reducing their chances to win.

 

That said, the F keys, or something with the same effect, could use an upgrade. Perhaps replacing useless keys like "Good luck" and "great battle" with something you might have to press during the heat of combat like "He/I used repair ability", "I'm using my Radar/Sonar/Smoke/DefensiveAA/Smoke", or even "Enemy has X health left, shoot him!".

[mtm78]

People not speaking English is their own problem - reducing their chances to win.

 

That said, the F keys, or something with the same effect, could use an upgrade. Perhaps replacing useless keys like "Good luck" and "great battle" with something you might have to press during the heat of combat like "He/I used repair ability", "I'm using my Radar/Sonar/Smoke/DefensiveAA/Smoke", or even "Enemy has X health left, shoot him!".

 

What I liked about the Z menu is the interactivity. Point a a gameplay element, and you get options related the element ( perhaps a cap zone for instance ), point to an ally and you get context specific options related to that ally, point to an enemy ... well you get the point. 

[iJoby]

Planes = 0

avions = 0

 

then obviously you know, your on your own defending Base and CV.

English is an International language, every french school kid has learned English by the time they are 11. 

 

And CV's always have 1 Torpedo left when all planes are destroyed. watch the video.

[th3freakie]

 

What I liked about the Z menu is the interactivity. Point a a gameplay element, and you get options related the element ( perhaps a cap zone for instance ), point to an ally and you get context specific options related to that ally, point to an enemy ... well you get the point. 

 

The F buttons already do this. If you F3 a friendly the message is "Protect/Cover this allied target", if you F3 an enemy you are calling for others to fire on it, and if you F3 a zone you are calling to cap or defend it, depending on whether your team controls it or not.

[Gnirf]

Interesting.

 

Welll I suppose that the problems are linked to who you are.

 

I am from Sweden which makes in principle mandatory to use English, most Nordic countries at least Sweden, Denmark and Norway + Netherlands are the best users of English as a second language. Our Tv-series are never dubbed only with Swedish subtitles. If you study in the University lots of literature are in English.  I know some German also, but I may respond to German chat in English, because of speed and since it has gone 30 years since I studied it I am a little rusty..

Therefor you from France, Germany and other countries are at a disadvantage. But I suppose that many understands messages but are less willing to communicate. So you might have Three Groups, one Group that reads chats and responds, one Group that understand and react but may not write instructions self and one that ignores it.

 

Like some previous posts the spamming nature of the fast commands will irritate, boats that call for help when they absolutely does not need it and are far from any action.

 

I personally often writes help or something manually, instead because of my own more receptive dealings with manual chat or suggestions.

 

So if a person makes automated Cap A B and C all of them they are of no use, CAP A or CAP B+C f.e. manually will be answered.

 

French, Italian, or some east european language does not matter I do not speak. It seems to vary a lot how often players tries to use them and I suppose many times they are more discussions of other stuff  not this particular game.

 

But for French/Germans who only use their own language - learn to use English if you want better response/results. It is after all the 2nd language for most people. Its only a few percent Swedes I Think that are confident in these languages the rest knows nothing as it is a 3rd language at the same level as Spanish/Italian so there you choose which to use if you read it at all. I suppose it is similar system in other countries.

[mtm78]

 

The F buttons already do this. If you F3 a friendly the message is "Protect/Cover this allied target", if you F3 an enemy you are calling for others to fire on it, and if you F3 a zone you are calling to cap or defend it, depending on whether your team controls it or not.

 

But F keys are to far from my WASD hax location, I have to move my hand off the keys ( no I am not ignoring you're 100% right about the functionality being there, stop thinking that ), Z and WASD however are really close. And Z is a single key which opens a radial menu which is much more intuitive ( try to get F1 to explain the different F keys functionality, don't think it's mentioned ).

[EsaTuunanen]

But F keys are to far from my WASD hax location, I have to move my hand off the keys ( no I am not ignoring you're 100% right about the functionality being there, stop thinking that ), Z and WASD however are really close. And Z is a single key which opens a radial menu which is much more intuitive ( try to get F1 to explain the different F keys functionality, don't think it's mentioned ).

Agree that it woudl be good to have something faster and more intuitive than trying to remember what F-key did what with some of those quite useless messages mixed into bag.

[EsaTuunanen]

I am from Sweden which makes in principle mandatory to use English, most Nordic countries at least Sweden, Denmark and Norway + Netherlands are the best users of English as a second language. Our Tv-series are never dubbed only with Swedish subtitles.

Don't forget Finland.

Because of underhanded political dealings Swedish is second native, and mandatory language, but probably 90(+) % forgets its mostly...

While out of younger people probably toward similar portion knows at least basic English and probably majority understands English very well.

 

Myself I would actually have to spend some time re-learning it if I switched language of for example web browser to Finnish...

Also once watched movie from DVD for 15 mins before noticing subtitles were in English.

At least I've so far (few times narrowly) avoided writing in English into Finnish forums.

 

Also English is the primary language on the internet, Im a dyslectic, my teachers refused to acknowledge this back in the day so I learned little to nothing of it in school.

Computers allowed me to learn most of what I know even if write like sh*t at times.

No if some people refuses to speak English just because there from a country whit that sentimentality then I think they could just shut up or get a chat ban if they spam the chat with anything but English.

Its just disrespectful realy to everyone else from the modern world.

Indeed ridiculous if any western people using computers and internet don't understand at least basic English.

Heck, out of younger people with better education there might be even quite good portion of them understanding English in countries like China or India.