Best Premium Ship - [edited]

[anonym_O8tf3somLU6N]

Hi,

 

[edited] When you think about the benefits of premium... things, the best one seams to be that you will get faster at a top level, so in essence, you could play less.

 

Now that I'm here, could you please give me your opinion about the best premium ships? I am seeking for premium ships that are clearly above their class like Arizona and Murmansk, but on the same time they are available on sale... unlike the mighty Flint.

 

So my top is:

1. Arizona

2. Murmansk

3. Molotov - but in my opinion it doesn't make sense to have both Molotov and Murmansk. If it is to chose between them, I chose Murmansk

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4. Scharnhorst - though I am not 100% convinced of this ship because Gneisenau beats her face to face - of course you will say that they are designed for totally different purposes but that makes Scharnhorst not superior on every aspect in her class.

 

some of my nominees would also be:

- Campbeltown - seriously challenged by Wakatake and Derzki - and they are even better on some aspects

-Texas - seriously challenged or even surpassed by König

- Saipan ???? - I don't know about it - but in stats it's the worse CV at tier 7

- Tirpitz - though it has very good reviews- loses in all statistics to Bismarck and Amagi - it is even seriously challenged in statistics by North Carolina - is this because it can be bought by inexperienced players who want to see a level 8 game?

- Prinz Eugen, Mikhail Kutuzov and Atago - all tier 8 cruisers lose by far to non-premium Chapayev and even Mogami

- Atlanta, Indianapolis lose by far to non-premium Schors

 

the other low tiers cruisers and destroyers are poor in statistics...

 

so, what is your top, could you please recommend a tier 7-8 cruiser? What about Leningrad destroyer?

[S4h3L]

Atlanta lose to any cruiser, its DD with citadel...

[Fawltyturrets]

Tirpitz hands down! great fun and good credits.

 

Atlanta for shear fun and you can make tons of credits, but you have great fun doing it and you don't care.

Molotov is completely different play style to Murmansk i enjoy both depends what mood I'm in.

 

If you get terpitz think twice about scharnhorst it's good fun but the new repair bill makes the terpitz clear winner here.

Texas is good but the new repair bill hits slower ships very hard because it does not take into account how slow some ships are to get near a fight some battles.

 

Campbelltown Arizona and Eugen. don't have them yet so can't really comment.

 

T7-8 cruiser if your on about premium still I'd go Atlanta because you need fun as well as make credits. A lot will disagree with Atlanta but I haven't regretted it yet.

 

P.s damn nearly forgot atago t8 cruiser this hands down beats any other including most non premiums but like atlanta and indy watch your citadel!

[Allied_Winter]

Care to explain 

 

a) Why do you think the Arizona is so over the top?

 

b) Why do you think the Atago looses over the non-premium cruisers?

 

 

 

 

Greetings

[Tyrendian89]

Care to explain 

 

a) Why do you think the Arizona is so over the top?

 

b) Why do you think the Atago looses over the non-premium cruisers?

 

 

 

 

Greetings

 

that would be as good a start as any to figure out where the OP's thinking/judgement went so strangely awry...

[Hanszeehock]

Personally, I would wait until Belfast is released. 

 

[Verdius]

 

- Mikhail Kutuzov and Atago - all tier 8 cruisers lose by far to non-premium Chapayev and even Mogami

 

Wat

- Saipan ???? - I don't know about it - but in stats it's the worse CV at tier 7

Wat

 

Atago, MK, and Saipan are some of the best ships at their tier of their class. Tirpitz is quite competitive as well. Texas is flatout better than New York.

I also wouldn't compare the Indianapolis to the Shchors either since Indy is an CA and Shchors is a CL and have different playstyles and purposes.

 

Flint, Gremy, Imperator, (and soon the Fujin/Kamikaze) are the only truly OP prems that outclass everything else. Molotov is also quite ridiculous but is made of paper.

[Nechrom]

From your criteria I'd say definitely Atago. She's not way more powerful like for example the Murmansk, Gremyashchy, Nikolai etc. But she's definitely a tier 8.5 and unlike the others she's high enough up the tiers to make the most of her advantage and turn it into sweet sweet credits and XP for a developing captain.

Tirpitz is also up there, but is less OP and more just really solid. Very difficult to mess up in, so the income over time is much more reliable.

 

If you're on a budget the Murmansk is definitely a great choice and probably the best value premium out of all of them.

Kutuzov is also an option, but if it's between it and the Atago I'd go for the Atago any day simply because it's much more adaptable.

Arizona is okay, but it's really just more of the same if you've played the US BBs. Nothing unique and bad AA on top of that.

 

There are others I'd recommend, but for other reasons. They are not really the best credit and XP makers.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

No such thing as Pay2Win. You get ships that are obviously better than the standard of the class (Atago), but those ships will only give you an advantage if you are good enough to understand how to play them. A below average player will still be below average, even if they have a Scharnhorst or Atago.

 

Get a premium because you are either a) a collector b) you want the actual ship for historical reasons (Atago, Prinz Eugen etc). Don't buy one thinking it will make you uber. It wont.

 

I hear the Arizona and Murmansk are good premiums

[anonym_O8tf3somLU6N]

Edit: quoting the Mikhail Kutuzov post

 

as I said above... Chapayev and Mogami beat her in most aspects:

 

	Mogami	Chapayev	Atago	Mikhail Kutuzov	Prinz Eugen
Win rate	52.28%	52.76%	50.46%	51.72%	50.92%
Damage	42 652	42 687	38 200	39 841	35 455
Destroyed warships	0.85	0.83	0.73	0.76	0.61
Experience	1 317	1 423	1 321	1 393	1 301
Aircraft destroyed	1.36	1.65	1.26	2.81	1.59
Kills / deaths	1.51	1.51	1.32	1.45	0.97

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

Personally, I would wait until Belfast is released. 

 

I don't care how good or bad it is, or how good or bad I am in it, I am so buying Belfast as soon as its out.

[Msiiek]

Becouse premiums can be bought by a player who didnt even played a single game. They average stats will of course be lower.

 

Both Atago and MK are stronger than the rest of t8 cruisers. If you want the stats, look at how they are performing significantly better in past 2 weeks than cruisers from standard tree.

 

Also you forgot about Blyskawica which is faceroll on her tier, only Leningrad can compete.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

 

as I said above... Chapayev and Mogami beat her in most aspects:

 

	Mogami	Chapayev	Atago	Mikhail Kutuzov	Prinz Eugen
Win rate	52.28%	52.76%	50.46%	51.72%	50.92%
Damage	42 652	42 687	38 200	39 841	35 455
Destroyed warships	0.85	0.83	0.73	0.76	0.61
Experience	1 317	1 423	1 321	1 393	1 301
Aircraft destroyed	1.36	1.65	1.26	2.81	1.59
Kills / deaths	1.51	1.51	1.32	1.45	0.97

 

​If you are going to judge a ship on pure stats alone, then why come on the forum and ask advice. There is more to playing a ship than stats. You have to find a ship that suits your style of play. The Chapayev and Atago are at the same tier, but play totally different to each other.

[anonym_O8tf3somLU6N]

 

I don't care how good or bad it is, or how good or bad I am in it, I am so buying Belfast as soon as its out.

 

I would also wait for the whole UK cruiser line... I am really interested to see if tier 9 and 10 UK cruisers would challenge ussr.... their ratings look very promising to me...

[Allied_Winter]

Edit: quoting the Mikhail Kutuzov post

 

as I said above... Chapayev and Mogami beat her in most aspects:

 

	Mogami	Chapayev	Atago	Mikhail Kutuzov	Prinz Eugen
Win rate	52.28%	52.76%	50.46%	51.72%	50.92%
Damage	42 652	42 687	38 200	39 841	35 455
Destroyed warships	0.85	0.83	0.73	0.76	0.61
Experience	1 317	1 423	1 321	1 393	1 301
Aircraft destroyed	1.36	1.65	1.26	2.81	1.59
Kills / deaths	1.51	1.51	1.32	1.45	0.97

 

Now before I take a closer look into the provided statistics, may I ask where you got those statistics from? Are the the last two weeks only? Or over all time?

 

And as some mentioned: Stats are one thing, especially if one can buy into T8. A new player in the Atago with 200 battles played will loose in most cases against a player that worked his way up to the Mogami (choosen because of similar playstyle). If you put however two equally skilled captains against eacht other, then usually the better ship will have an edge. In this case it would be the Atago due to her forward facing torpedo arcs and the repair party, to name a few.

 

 

Greetings

[anonym_O8tf3somLU6N]

 

​If you are going to judge a ship on pure stats alone, then why come on the forum and ask advice. There is more to playing a ship than stats. You have to find a ship that suits your style of play. The Chapayev and Atago are at the same tier, but play totally different to each other.

 

actually this is exactly why I put this post here... to check your opinion about the ships and to see if the the statistics verify, or is there's something that I don't know about the ships... I never did well in ships with poor statistics... however, I did better with ships that were proven good by the community... either through statistics or reviews... I wouldn't want to buy a poor premium ship, or even an average one, and then have to sell it...

 

[anonym_O8tf3somLU6N]

 

Now before I take a closer look into the provided statistics, may I ask where you got those statistics from? Are the the last two weeks only? Or over all time?

 

And as some mentioned: Stats are one thing, especially if one can buy into T8. A new player in the Atago with 200 battles played will loose in most cases against a player that worked his way up to the Mogami (choosen because of similar playstyle). If you put however two equally skilled captains against eacht other, then usually the better ship will have an edge. In this case it would be the Atago due to her forward facing torpedo arcs and the repair party, to name a few.

 

 

Greetings

 

you get all the stats here:

 

http://na.wows-numbers.com/ships/compare/?type=cruiser&tier=8

 

I think it takes into consideration all historical games... with 0.5.12 version things might have changed... especially with the german bbs

 

[duoinvasion]

>Amagi

>premium

Wat

[Verdius]

Edit: quoting the Mikhail Kutuzov post

 

as I said above... Chapayev and Mogami beat her in most aspects:

 

	Mogami	Chapayev	Atago	Mikhail Kutuzov	Prinz Eugen
Win rate	52.28%	52.76%	50.46%	51.72%	50.92%
Damage	42 652	42 687	38 200	39 841	35 455
Destroyed warships	0.85	0.83	0.73	0.76	0.61
Experience	1 317	1 423	1 321	1 393	1 301
Aircraft destroyed	1.36	1.65	1.26	2.81	1.59
Kills / deaths	1.51	1.51	1.32	1.45	0.97

 

Those stats seem off. Mogami is sitting near the bottom currently when it comes to WR.

Atago and MK are the best performing tier 8 cruisers.

 

Not to mention that this tells you nothing about their playstyle. If you just pick up a flavour of the month ship it doesn't mean that you will be able to recreate those performances. You should pick a ship based on wheter its playstyle suits you or not.

[daki]

[edited]

 

If you are just looking for the most useful/versatile premiums, imho any T8 will do.

At T8 you get very nice xp & credits in randoms and you can use them in ranked as well.

[anonym_O8tf3somLU6N]

Care to explain 

 

a) Why do you think the Arizona is so over the top?

 

b) Why do you think the Atago looses over the non-premium cruisers?

 

 

 

 

Greetings

 

Arizona is the best ship at her level in all aspects ... except for AA where is not last... ... and they even strengthened her armor in 5.12:

 

	New Mexico	Warsprite	Arizona	Dunkerque	Fuso	Bayern
Win rate	52.04%	51.68%	55.18%	51.80%	53.37%	51.46%
Damage	43 957	44 131	52 601	49 671	49 596	49 837
Destroyed warships	0.92	0.88	1.05	0.92	1.01	0.93
Experience	1 138	1 238	1 368	1 327	1 145	1 253
Aircraft destroyed	1.05	1.1	0.86	1.17	0.84	1.57
Kills / deaths	1.99	1.71	2.37	1.62	2.31	1.81

[Panocek]

aviaxis, on 05 October 2016 - 03:46 PM, said:

 

as I said above... Chapayev and Mogami beat her in most aspects:

 

	Mogami	Chapayev	Atago	Mikhail Kutuzov	Prinz Eugen
Win rate	52.28%	52.76%	50.46%	51.72%	50.92%
Damage	42 652	42 687	38 200	39 841	35 455
Destroyed warships	0.85	0.83	0.73	0.76	0.61
Experience	1 317	1 423	1 321	1 393	1 301
Aircraft destroyed	1.36	1.65	1.26	2.81	1.59
Kills / deaths	1.51	1.51	1.32	1.45	0.97

 

​If you are going to judge a ship on pure stats alone, then why come on the forum and ask advice. There is more to playing a ship than stats. You have to find a ship that suits your style of play. The Chapayev and Atago are at the same tier, but play totally different to each other.

 

I'd even say Kutuzov and Chapayev have different gameplay simply due to consumables - former have obscene range and smoke, latter have better concealment and radar.

[Mandyxx]

I have atago, about 800 battles... I`m not a good player with cruisers, but what can i say... i did battles with 150k credits on plus, i did battles with 900k credits on plus. My average income with atago is about 500k credits/battle. Average damage is 45k damage.

Also i bought tirpitz yesterday. Since yesterday night i collected 6 millions credits (4 battles in random, 12 in ranked). Is strong, i am surprised how receive damage. My damage is  82k/battle.

 

I`m an average player so i guess my informations are decent.

[Close_Quarters_Expert]

Atlanta is my credit farm, pure and simple. She is easy to do reliable damage in and being a premium will of course get more credits per xp than Schors. When doing the previous fleet of fog missions I used her almost exclusively to get to Ashigaru, and I made probably around 10million credits inside of a week. Even without a premium account, she'll easily rack up 2-3 or even 400k a battle if played smartly. 

 

Play her like a Russian DD. My Kiev feels very similar in handling and is tactically similar to play too.

 

Murmansk is a definite second, though and has almost as great potential as Atlanta IMHO. I understand the latter isn't for everyone, though so Murmansk would have to be my vote purely for her universal ease of use. 

[Allied_Winter]

Fair enough. 

If you take a look at a different statistics website and look at the stats over the last two weeks you get a different picture:

The both crusier on the top of the two week list are the two "old" premium cruisers. Both outdamaging and outwinning their tier-mates. Not to mention, that the Atago has over 40k battles played in two weeks. And thanks to the heal, Atago has the highest survivability of all T8 cruisers.

 

If you look however on the all time history:

 

All cruisers sit much closer together with the Kutuzov and the Chapayev tied in DMG, but Kutuzov has a higher WR. Mogami and Atago are also quite close (both in WR and DMG). But you mustn't forget, that the alltime stats include the time frame when Mogami had access to AFT, resulting in much, much more DMG/battle on average than today. So the alltime stats are skewed.

 

 

Just saw, that you quited me about the Arizona as well. This (also) can be explained via statistics. Arizona was deemed rather mediocre by most reviewers. So, only those who really want a slow, brawling BB with a smaller caliber than the british brawling BB, bought it. You can see this by looking at the battles played. 7k vs 17k (Warspite) or a whopping 107k (Bayern). This leads to the assumption, that only those who know how to handle such a ship, bought it. Unlike the Tirpitz, that is known to be the "Löwe" of Warships.

 

 

 

Greetings