German BB's - Twice as many battles played over the last two weeks vs everyone else in every tier.

[IanH755]

Hi all,

 

I know there's a lot of talk about the current BB heavy meta right now so I thought I'd look at some actual numbers just to make sure that peoples complaints are genuine. After checking the number of games played by German BB's on the EU server from T3 to T8 over the last two weeks I was surprised just how bad the difference was. In most tiers German BB's are played in twice as many games as any other ship, regardless of the class. Strangely, T9-T10 doesn't seem to be effected by the German BB's yet, they seem to be "normal" so far (can't edit the title from "every tier" to "most tiers") sorry.

 

Now I know that T3 has just had the Campbeltown giveaway (thanks WG!) which skews the T3 numbers but the Nassau is still played twice as much as the next ship.

 

This shows me that, despite the "it's a new line - it'll settle down" comments that I'm sure will be made (even though they were released 2 months ago), German BB's have had an overwhelming effect on the game far exceeding what most would have thought possible. Whether that is seen as positive or negative is up to you to decide but I wonder if the new RN line, when it appears, will be able to match these numbers 2 months after its eventual release?

 

PS, I think it also shows that WG's comment of "35% of players are BB's" is badly wrong on the EU server, it is currently around 50% for all BB's vs all other classes in each tier. I know because I added every battle up for every tier to find out! The numbers don't lie WG.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jethro_Grey]

Well the kine just came out, it'll settle down just like it did with all previous lines.

When the RN gets released we'll see the same crap, just with cruisers.

 

Also, numbers from a third party website...right.

[gexstar]

Well the kine just came out, it'll settle down just like it did with all previous lines.

When the RN gets released we'll see the same crap, just with cruisers.

 

Also, numbers from a third party website...right.

 

Yes and no. It will settle down to an extent, but the german BBs are extremely strong in the current meta. Maybe even too strong. It wasnt nearly this bad with the russian cruiser line.

[IanH755]

Well the kine just came out, it'll settle down just like it did with all previous lines.

When the RN gets released we'll see the same crap, just with cruisers.

 

Also, numbers from a third party website...right.

 

 

This shows me that, despite the "it's a new line - it'll settle down" comments that I'm sure will be made (even though they were released 2 months ago),

 

You can't make it up - 1st reply too!

 

Also, yes, the numbers are from that well know website of filth and lies Warship.Today which no-ones uses because their data is so inaccurate and false and it's all lies

[Jethro_Grey]

 

Yes and no. It will settle down to an extent, but the german BBs are extremely strong in the current meta. Maybe even too strong. It wasnt nearly this bad with the russian cruiser line.

 

The german BBs are indeed strong, but have - like any other BB weaknesses.

They are nowhere near strong as the RU cruiserline compared to others.

 

And once the RN CLS hit the live server, things will get pretty spammy indeed.

 

 

 

You can't make it up - 1st reply too!     Yes, because that's what always happens. Also: ^^

 

Also, yes, the numbers are from that well know website of filth and lies Warship.Today which no-ones uses because their data is so inaccurate and false and it's all lies

 

I think you missing the point, but whatever.

 

 

 

[loppantorkel]

We need a new dd line to counter the German bbs. That's why they're splitting the IJN dd line perhaps..? Torps will cure the plague.

[IanH755]

 

Also, yes, the numbers are from that well know website of filth and lies Warship.Today which no-ones uses because their data is so inaccurate and false and it's all lies

 

I think you missing the point, but whatever.

 

The point is you are saying the numbers are unreliable because they come from a third party site, am I wrong?

 

It is also worth mentioning that, in every "too many BB's" thread you and I post in, you are happy with the current BB-fest and don't want it changing and I am against the current BB numbers (not the BB's themselves, just the number per game) and that neither of us will change our opinion.

[Vanhal]

It's just TypicalAntiGermanWGBias, nothing to see here, move along.

[IanH755]

AntiGermanWHAT???

 

Did you even read the OP? I love the Nassau, it's my favourite BB in the game.

 

I'm simply showing showing people the numbers of games played by "A National Class" is x2 more than any other and that can't be good for balance. Again, it's not the individual ships that are a problem but the sheer number of them per game. You do realise that's a problem don't you, you do see all the complaints on the forum don't you, you do see the lack of CA's playing now don't you. Maybe not. Maybe you think everything is fine and everyone else is wrong/babies/should quit complaining - I don't know what you think but I do know a problem when I see one and WG has a big one right now when it comes to player class enjoyment.

 

 

[BlueMoon51]

You have to understand that for many people see this is the first major addition to the game in 10 months(discounting ARP and Soviet Ships)AND even if they hadn't been they would have been greatly anticipated. I really don't know what WG could do to "balance" this unless they held off and introduced the KM BB's with the RN Cruisers. However for those of the playerbase that have been waiting since release for them that would be dreadfully unfair. I should point out while I have played them a little I'm more of a cruiser player myself so I'm not saying that out of self interest. The cold facts are that it takes so long to model lines that unlike WOT a great many people will have played thru each line that interests them when a new line is released, that is especially when you consider that the Soviet lines haven't been very popular despite there basic strength.    

[EsaTuunanen]

And once the RN CLS hit the live server, things will get pretty spammy indeed.

Well, good thing that German BBs tend to be more spam proof than others.

 

Even Kaiser has good part of the ship proof against smaller HEs.

And non-penning HEs aren't even good at starting fires.

In average Wyoming would almost half melt down from direct damage and fires of HE spam needed to do more than small damage to Kaiser.

 

And if German BBs show side their medium armor makes them also harder to damage with smaller caliber AP spam.

 

Their only durability weakness is torpedo protection.

But IJN DD line is basically getting nerfs to decrease amount of needed WASD haxing of ships facing T4 and T5 IJN DDs.

Again DD trying to rush German BBs faces strong secondaries and because they're not as slow as USN BBs rushing to sure kill distance is harder if enemy pays attention.

 

So I would expect their overpopularity to continue.

[loppantorkel]

It's just TypicalAntiGermanWGBias, nothing to see here, move along.

 

Is this a thing now? It's just TypicalAntiTrollingBias, nothing to see here, move along.

[BlueMoon51]

Don't really think the RN cruisers will be an in game counter for German Battleships,

[Gojuadorai]

how about is was a line that like everybody and their parents and grandprarents waited for since release of the game?

[S4h3L]

 

The german BBs are indeed strong, but have - like any other BB weaknesses.

They are nowhere near strong as the RU cruiserline compared to others.

 

yes weaknesses like other BBs with sonar have...

you can one shot RU cruiser, but you cannot one shot german BB

btw. I played in every season and I know that in ranked battles are Tirpitzs popular, but today I met more Bismarcs then Tirpitzs, still nothing wrong there?

[anonym_hqO9wrVAEQYQ]

Well maybe this just proves that people want to play the German stuff and I have no doubt the Brit stuff when it comes out. I have next to no interest in the Yanks or Jap ships and have NONE and I mean a massive NONE in the  Russian stuff.

 

I was the same in WOT. Wanted the Soviet and German tanks and then the Brit stuff. I got bored with the Yank stuff and played the French line for the autoloader fun.

[Vanhal]

AntiGermanWHAT???

 

Did you even read the OP? I love the Nassau, it's my favourite BB in the game.

 

 

Wha? Are you this new in WG games? Since the beginning of WoT the AntiGermanBias is one of the urban legends that have more life in them than ton of cockroaches. So that was sarcasm*

 

*God i hate to explain that.

 

PS. No thoughts about Iso/Mine/Kami-kaze?

 

how about is was a line that like everybody and their parents and grandprarents waited for since release of the game?

 

More like this.

 

Comforting thought - just wait for British BB, it will be pure carnival.

[Shirakami_Kon]

It's called hype for new things. Just wait until people get more tired of them or something else comes out to distract attention from them. Something good enough. 

 

It wasnt nearly this bad with the russian cruiser line.

 

My point with something good enough to distract attention from them. It wasn't that bad with russian cruisers because they are strong, but not as strong as German BBs, and there's even more actual historic and famous/at least known real ships than with the russian cruisers. Next thing to come it's the RN cruisers, and I hope they get some attention to compensate for the amount of germans but since I admit it won't work for me even if I like cruisers I don't know how that will work out still.

 

At least it seems to be a bit more cruisers around again, which is good. I was waiting until two days ago for that to take out my Scharnhorst again and suddenly I found how to make those guns work, even for BBs, so I guess that while WG gives something good instead of the new German BBs I'll just help the german spam.  

[Gunship14]

I think it proves that people really like this game for its battleships, which are the most well kwown after all. Even RN CLs might not have such an impact, but RN BBs will be the same thing all over again, maybe even more.

[Jethro_Grey]

 

The point is you are saying the numbers are unreliable because they come from a third party site, am I wrong?

 

It is also worth mentioning that, in every "too many BB's" thread you and I post in, you are happy with the current BB-fest and don't want it changing and I am against the current BB numbers (not the BB's themselves, just the number per game) and that neither of us will change our opinion.

 

The point is, that as a third party site it doesn't have the same data WG has.

 

I'm not "happy" with the BB spam...unless i'm sailing in a DD.^^

Ranked suffered from DD infestation, now it suffers from both.

 

It was a bloody stupid idea to release a new line and start a ranked season, the DEVs should have waited another month.

But unlike the DD issue, the BB infestation will get better once the novelty wears off.

 

I'd rather see a balanced MM than what we have now, but as i said earlier, once the RN gets released, we'll see a lot more cruisers clogging up the MM for a while...until the next line gets released.

[Unknown_Lifeform]

Yeah, with a combination of German + Battleships + some famous ships its no surprise this line has been really popular. The release of the RN cruisers probably won't counter them but it will hopefully at least water things down as people start grinding them as well and restore a more balanced line up.

[aboomination]

My guess is that many, many Germans play this game. 

[RedStorm1]

My guess is that many, many Germans play this game. 

 

That is my opinion, too!

 

I am very happy to see that Wargaming has such huge success with the German BB line!

This means they managed to get it right this time.

 

 

Besides, I prefer a game full of BBs rather thsn DDs.

 

 

 

 

[IanH755]

 

Wha? Are you this new in WG games? Since the beginning of WoT the AntiGermanBias is one of the urban legends that have more life in them than ton of cockroaches. So that was sarcasm*

 

*God i hate to explain that.

 

PS. No thoughts about Iso/Mine/Kami-kaze?

 

Yes I am new to WG, see my "Member since" just inches to the left, so I didn't understand the sarcasm and there was no other indication to let me know, like a smiley or /s etc in case I was one of the billions of people who haven't played WoT at release*

 

*God I hate having to explain that.<-------sarcasm

 

I loved the T4/5 IJN DD line, well until WG nerfed them by removing the 10km torpedos because of "balancing" reason, mainly due to an inability of a certain class to use a rudder and dying in large numbers. Currently those DD's are the best counter to the huge numbers of BB's at those tiers as the T4/T5 CV/CA's are weak against BB's which is why they are being played in large numbers - twice as much as the CA's yet still roughly 50% less than the Koneig/Kaiser.

[Gnomus]

That give away Cambeltown should have been give away.

 

Cambeltown is not good. People are not playing it because it outshines other T3 ships. At T3 it is not good at making credits and exp is hardly used at all. Of course you may train captain, but people already got 12 point captain, so working it up is not very important. There really is little reason to play Cambeltown other than it's new and exotic.

 

If German BB's are overused because they are so good, then why Cambeltown on T3 has twice the number of battles of Nassau? Most logical conclusion is that Cambeltown and German BB's are popular because they are new. Numbers might be higher than with Russian CA/DD because BB's are quite forgiving and popular.

 

I would expect German BB numbers to drop when British CL's come. They may not be as popular as BB's because CL's are fragile, but British are long waited and will have quite sizable fan group just because of their nationality.

 

 

Another marker is German high tier BB's. Most players have not get there yet because length of the grind. Once people get forward in BB branch numbers will start to decline on low tiers but numbers on high tiers will increase. Not as much as on low tiers because advance there is slower.