Potential names for high tier Italian ships

[ImperialAdmiral]

I was wondering what names could be possibly given to tier IX and X Italian Battleships and cruisers.

Most likely those will be some paper ships like for example UP.41 

 

Etna or Vesuvio perhaps? Those were then names given to confiscated unfinished cruisers build for Thai navy.

 

What are your ideas?

[Deamon93]

For cruisers is easy since there's a way to predict names: every heavy cruiser was named after a city taken after WWI so the projects should follow that trend(there are still names free like Udine and Pordenone as example). Unless WG wants to arbitrarily change the names are pretty much cut out for them

 

For battleships is trickier since there isn't a specific logic: some were named after cities(RN Roma as example), politicians(RN Conte di Cavour), artists(RN Dante Alighieri, RN Leonardo da Vinci), Roman figures and concepts(RN Caio Duilio, RN Giulio Cesare, RN Impero, RN Littorio), battles(RN Vittorio Veneto), past admirals(RN Andrea Doria), queens and kings(RN Regina Elena, RN Regina Margherita etc etc). Unlike for cruisers here WG can be a bit more creative since there are many places from which to choose from.

 

 

[ImperialAdmiral]

For cruisers is easy since there's a way to predict names: every heavy cruiser was named after a city taken after WWI so the projects should follow that trend(there are still names free like Udine and Pordenone as example). Unless WG wants to arbitrarily change the names are pretty much cut out for them

 

For battleships is trickier since there isn't a specific logic: some were named after cities(RN Roma as example), politicians(RN Conte di Cavour), artists(RN Dante Alighieri, RN Leonardo da Vinci), Roman figures and concepts(RN Caio Duilio, RN Giulio Cesare, RN Impero, RN Littorio), battles(RN Vittorio Veneto), past admirals(RN Andrea Doria), queens and kings(RN Regina Elena, RN Regina Margherita etc etc). Unlike for cruisers here WG can be a bit more creative since there are many places from which to choose from.

 

 

 

Yeah, I was thinking about Roman emperors but those names were taken by Capitani Romani class in most cases.

Other name that is grand and comes to my mind is Galileo

[Fino_93]

For battleships is trickier since there isn't a specific logic

 

"RN Patagarroso"

 

 

 

(sorry, just italian things...)

[Deamon93]

 

Yeah, I was thinking about Roman emperors but those names were taken by Capitani Romani class in most cases.

Other name that is grand and comes to my mind is Galileo

 

Not every important emperor was taken. Four out of the "five good emperors" are still free to use(Nerva, Adriano, Antonino Pio and Marco Aurelio). Between these Adriano and Marco Aurelio make more sense due to their military efforts, then again just personal preference.

 

The closest person to Galileo's expertise to have a ship is da Vinci so perhaps, then again artists/scientists rarely had ships named after them(the aforementioned BBs plus the Oriani-class)

 

 

"RN Patagarroso"

 

 

 

(sorry, just italian things...)

 

It would be a pain for a non Italian to pronounce it

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

 

Is that the flag of the Cagliari football team in the background?

ON-TOPIC

I'm not even Italian, just a bit of an "italianophile" (is that a real word?), but let me give my 2 cents worth.

 

1) I am a bit wary of naming the ships after cities or regions of Italy in case people become upset that their particular city is not represented.

e.g. if there is a battleship named "Napoli" but not "Venezia"

2) Famous Italian people is a good choice, and promotes respect

Galileo (up thread) is a good suggestion. You could include Michelangelo, Verdi, Garibaldi - and I'm sure the North American audience would appreciate a "Christopher Columbus"

But whatever......just get the Italian fleet in the game!

 

[Deamon93]

Is that the flag of the Cagliari football team in the background?

ON-TOPIC

I'm not even Italian, just a bit of an "italianophile" (is that a real word?), but let me give my 2 cents worth.

 

1) I am a bit wary of naming the ships after cities or regions of Italy in case people become upset that their particular city is not represented.

e.g. if there is a battleship named "Napoli" but not "Venezia"

2) Famous Italian people is a good choice, and promotes respect

Galileo (up thread) is a good suggestion. You could include Michelangelo, Verdi, Garibaldi - and I'm sure the North American audience would appreciate a "Christopher Columbus"

But whatever......just get the Italian fleet in the game!

 

The flag is almost like it but not quite.

 

Anyway both RN Venezia and RN Napoli existed(ex Saida for the former, an original Regina Elena-class the latter)

Cristoforo Colombo is already taken, the long lost sister of Amerigo Vespucci. Garibaldi is already taken(sistership of Duca degli Abruzzi) while Michelangelo and Verdi weren't used as namesakes as far as I recall(don't recall every single ship but I'm pretty sure there weren't)

 

[Fino_93]

ok, taking it seriously, i think that if we want to avoid to consider only persons names we can think about something like "RN Savoia" could be appreciable, other concepts of the period could be questionable (cough-RN littorio-cough), i won't have problem with them cause i prefer a credible pseudo-historical name that a "politically correct" alternative; however we know that we won't see fascist references in the game, and we could consider the italian-post-war-changes-of-ideas-about-names (cough-RN Italia-cough)...

[Historynerd]

Yeah, I was thinking about Roman emperors but those names were taken by Capitani Romani class in most cases.

Other name that is grand and comes to my mind is Galileo

 

The Capitani Romani, as the name implies, was more about great Roman military leaders than emperors, and only in three cases (Ottaviano Augusto, Claudio Tiberio and Ulpio Traiano) these overlapped.

Galileo was taken, together with most scientific Italian personalities. Apart from Dante (whose name was used for a dreadnought), no literary or artistic names were chosen, but I'd be careful about using them.

 

We can dig in names used in the pre-WWI Regia Marina, such as Re d'Italia (name of the armoured frigate sunk at Lissa in 1866), Carlo Alberto (this might be a bit controversial, but it could have been in line with naming conventions), Ruggero di Lauria (name of a predreadnought, we might re-use it for a drednought perhaps).

 

Deamon93 said that the Tier 10 BB design he found and he's digging into kinda already has a name, i.e. Marco Aurelio, which in my opinion works nicely.

[Deamon93]

ok, taking it seriously, i think that if we want to avoid to consider only persons names we can think about something like "RN Savoia" could be appreciable, other concepts of the period could be questionable (cough-RN littorio-cough), i won't have problem with them cause i prefer a credible pseudo-historical name that a "politically correct" alternative; however we know that we won't see fascist references in the game, and we could consider the italian-post-war-changes-of-ideas-about-names (cough-RN Italia-cough)...

 

RN Littorio was renamed to RN Italia even before the Armistice and it's not the only case(RN Camicia Nera got renamed to Artigliere I believe, need to double check to be sure).

[Historynerd]

RN Littorio was renamed to RN Italia even before the Armistice and it's not the only case(RN Camicia Nera got renamed to Artigliere I believe, need to double check to be sure).

 

Yes; and the incomplete Squadrista was renamed Corsaro.

 

However, don't get me wrong with this, I don't wish to express any sympathy or adhesion of sorts towards any kind of fascist ideology or movement, but I feel that any potential issue there might be over the Littorio's name is kind of ridicolous, considering that the object it references is still very much present in the seals of public institutions of countries like the United States or France...

[Fino_93]

Yes i should have said post-fascist-period instead post war.

 

However, i think that is the same issue with the swastika and the rising sun...

 

[Historynerd]

Yes i should have said post-fascist-period instead post war.

 

However, i think that is the same issue with the swastika and the rising sun...

 

Probably, yes.

 

But yet, neither of these symbols are currently used by institutions of civilian government, are they?

 

But I think it's better not to dwell on this, since the mods might feel this is too political.

If it means that at Tier 8 we'll find the Vittorio Veneto instead of the Littorio... well, I'll try and live with it.

[ImperialAdmiral]

Another suggestion is to repeat names of WWI classes. 

Like for example Hearts of Iron IV did. 

In that case Regina Margherita and Regina Elena.

 

RN Littorio was renamed to RN Italia even before the Armistice and it's not the only case(RN Camicia Nera got renamed to Artigliere I believe, need to double check to be sure).

 

As far as I know only two RM ships had fascist names (Littorio and Camicia Nera). Both were changed after armistance.

RM was always the most royalist of 3 branches. 

[Fino_93]

But yet, neither of these symbols are currently used by institutions of civilian government, are they?

 

well, the current japanese navy autodefence force use the rising sun as flag, but wg don't use it cause it could offend some asian culture such cihinese and korean (fun fact, if you play navyfield or steel ocean, that are a korean game and a chinese one, you'll find the rising sun and no one protested).

 

 

[Historynerd]

well, the current japanese navy autodefence force use the rising sun as flag, but wg don't use it cause it could offend some asian culture such cihinese and korean (fun fact, if you play navyfield or steel ocean, that are a korean game and a chinese one, you'll find the rising sun and no one protested).

 

That's why I specified "institutions of civilian government", while the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force is a military institution.

[Agantas]

We could call the battleship Mario and the cruiser Luigi. 

 

[Historynerd]

We could call the battleship Mario and the cruiser Luigi. 

 

Har har. 

[Jadefalken]

 

If maybe you told us which ships your wondering the names to be.... just asking for names to call the Italians ships does not really give us anything to expand this conversation... opens to trolling like Mario and Luigi lol.

[Deamon93]

 

If maybe you told us which ships your wondering the names to be.... just asking for names to call the Italians ships does not really give us anything to expand this conversation... opens to trolling like Mario and Luigi lol.

 

I take my tree for reference:

BB: III, VII, IX and X

CL/CA: III, IV, IX, X

DD: VIII

 

These are the tiers in which there are project ships to rename, the rest have names

[Hedgehog1963]

Thinking

 

Ci Arrendiamo

 

and

 

Da Che Parte Siamo Ogii

[SparvieroVV]

Venezia is one of the names mentioned for a Ciano class ship and there was already a cruiser named Venezia somsounds great as a tier X cruiser name. 

 

[the202]

Foro Romano for a tier IX BB perhaps? And for a tier X Cristoforo Columbo?

[SparvieroVV]

Re Umberto would make more sense than Colombo, imoo. Honestly just go with provinces, cities, rivers, constellations to avoid the minefield of choosing a persons name. 

 

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classe_Regioni

[orlathebeast]

 

If maybe you told us which ships your wondering the names to be.... just asking for names to call the Italians ships does not really give us anything to expand this conversation... opens to trolling like Mario and Luigi lol.

 

guys, don't feed this troll...