[SLOTH] txtspeak Players 3,041 posts 5,653 battles Report post #1 Posted September 23, 2016 I've lost count of the number of times I have reported an AFK for being a bot and then seeing them start moving after about 10 seconds. give us the ability to take our reports back when we give them out to someone who doesnt deserve it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] BadGene616 Beta Tester 773 posts 8,197 battles Report post #2 Posted September 23, 2016 Wait 20 seconds before reporting? ;-) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] OldGrandad Supertester 3,404 posts 35,711 battles Report post #3 Posted September 23, 2016 I've lost count of the number of times I have reported an AFK for being a bot and then seeing them start moving after about 10 seconds. give us the ability to take our reports back when we give them out to someone who doesnt deserve it. Why not wait until the end of the battle? We all suffer some form of connection issues from time to time, yes? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] G01ngToxicCommand0 Beta Tester 2,177 posts 23,318 battles Report post #4 Posted September 23, 2016 I've lost count of the number of times I have reported an AFK for being a bot and then seeing them start moving after about 10 seconds. give us the ability to take our reports back when we give them out to someone who doesnt deserve it. They still deserve it for late starts, now before people begin to 'but but but' I just want to say that late starters causes losses because they don't go to critical locations in time giving the enemy team the upper hand and late starters seldomly only do it once which you can usually observe from their usual abyssmal stats. In short don't feel bad over issuing reports for botting to late starters. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IRQ] AnotherDuck [IRQ] Players 2,930 posts 7,510 battles Report post #5 Posted September 23, 2016 Being able to take back reports is a good idea. While you should certainly exercise caution, mistakes do happen, and if it's something like that it's something you might want to fix. They still deserve it for late starts, now before people begin to 'but but but' I just want to say that late starters causes losses because they don't go to critical locations in time giving the enemy team the upper hand and late starters seldomly only do it once which you can usually observe from their usual abyssmal stats. In short don't feel bad over issuing reports for botting to late starters. So you want to report people for having a laggy connection, a slow computer, or for simply playing a sometimes unstable game, even without mods? That's just one of the crap attitudes that plagues this game. Would be so much better if all that just disappeared. Then again, as far as I've heard, most bot reports are false anyway, and are treated as such by WG. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_hqO9wrVAEQYQ Players 381 posts Report post #6 Posted September 23, 2016 People actually bother reporting stuff in this game. How strange. Don't people have a life?Why stress over stuff on the interweb . Just ignore it and move on. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MEN] Captain_Singleton Players 3,184 posts 20,102 battles Report post #7 Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) i usually wait until there's a few minutes left then report them, in one very close game i reminded the team to report a bot, and the guy said "i'm here" he was just finishing his cereal... for 10 minutes while we got hammered... Edited September 23, 2016 by Salentine 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLOTH] txtspeak Players 3,041 posts 5,653 battles Report post #8 Posted September 23, 2016 i usually wait until there's a few minutes left then report them, in one very close game i reminded the team to report a bot, and the guy said "i'm here" he was just finishing his cereal... for 10 minutes while we got hammered... then he ran in, screaming his name. when he died... "'least I got cereal" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FIFO] ilhilh [FIFO] Beta Tester 2,451 posts 7,514 battles Report post #9 Posted September 23, 2016 Being able to take back reports is a good idea. While you should certainly exercise caution, mistakes do happen, and if it's something like that it's something you might want to fix. So you want to report people for having a laggy connection, a slow computer, or for simply playing a sometimes unstable game, even without mods? That's just one of the crap attitudes that plagues this game. Would be so much better if all that just disappeared. Then again, as far as I've heard, most bot reports are false anyway, and are treated as such by WG. If someone wants to say their dog was stealing the bandwidth or something after 1 min countdown and 5 mins of game then I call BS. And I report it too. I have seen plenty of games lost because a crucial DD didn't get into the game for 5 mins or our CV just didn't turn up. This isn't 2001 with dial up! Just yesterday we got all 3 caps in epicentre because the two enemy DDs didn't move at the start and ours did. I was in my shokaku and it was a race against the clock to dmg enough since the win was so obvious from the start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #10 Posted September 23, 2016 If someone wants to say their dog was stealing the bandwidth or something after 1 min countdown and 5 mins of game then I call BS. And I report it too. I have seen plenty of games lost because a crucial DD didn't get into the game for 5 mins or our CV just didn't turn up. This isn't 2001 with dial up! Just yesterday we got all 3 caps in epicentre because the two enemy DDs didn't move at the start and ours did. I was in my shokaku and it was a race against the clock to dmg enough since the win was so obvious from the start. So you report someone who has a bad computer/internet connection as a bot? Does not compute. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FIFO] ilhilh [FIFO] Beta Tester 2,451 posts 7,514 battles Report post #11 Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) So you report someone who has a bad computer/internet connection as a bot? Does not compute. If someone has a computer that takes 6 minutes to load in then they need to bin it and I already answered the connection bit. EDIT: I don't ask people what the cause is - I just report them for afk/bot. I don't want someone to drop either of those excuses because they are BS. Edited September 23, 2016 by ilhilh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OLDG] Verence196 Players 313 posts 7,457 battles Report post #12 Posted September 24, 2016 If someone has a computer that takes 6 minutes to load in then they need to bin it and I already answered the connection bit. I've had the game freezing/not loading whenever I'm queuing for a battle. I don't know why. Any other internet application seemes to be functioning just fine, and there's no lag once the battle has finally loaded. The only solution then is to quit the game and reload both WoWS and the battle itself. That can easily take several minutes - both to realise and to do.In these cases I blame the client. You can blame me if you feel like it, but I really haven't done anything to deserve it. =) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DJMDK] Fionia_DK Players 173 posts 17,112 battles Report post #13 Posted September 24, 2016 I've had the game freezing/not loading whenever I'm queuing for a battle. I don't know why. Any other internet application seemes to be functioning just fine, and there's no lag once the battle has finally loaded. The only solution then is to quit the game and reload both WoWS and the battle itself. That can easily take several minutes - both to realise and to do.In these cases I blame the client. You can blame me if you feel like it, but I really haven't done anything to deserve it. =) Have tried that too. Also in division, all in division had too Ctrl, alt, delete and restart game, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ENUF] Ze_Reckless [ENUF] Players 2,532 posts 23,427 battles Report post #14 Posted September 24, 2016 If I want to retract a report, I just compliment for good chat behavior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kastike Players 188 posts 3,803 battles Report post #15 Posted September 24, 2016 If someone has a computer that takes 6 minutes to load in then they need to bin it and I already answered the connection bit. EDIT: I don't ask people what the cause is - I just report them for afk/bot. I don't want someone to drop either of those excuses because they are BS. Two last patches have destroyed my loading times. Before them I got to helm good 20 seconds before the round started,but now I never get into play before round has started. Sometimes I might be 2 minutes late. I make my living as graphics designer and usually change my rig every year. My current is less than 6 months old and can easily handle a bunch of adobe products running side-by-side while doing something that can cover a three-story building. Even stable 25Mb connection doesn't help. You call it excuse and I call it poor optimization. Reporting people with loading issues is really good way to make sure that reports don't really matter at all. WG gets swamped by silly reports and real botters/afkers get a free pass. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLOTH] txtspeak Players 3,041 posts 5,653 battles Report post #16 Posted September 24, 2016 If I want to retract a report, I just compliment for good chat behavior. but I want my report back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #17 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) They still deserve it for late starts, now before people begin to 'but but but' I just want to say that late starters causes losses because they don't go to critical locations in time giving the enemy team the upper hand and late starters seldomly only do it once which you can usually observe from their usual abyssmal stats. In short don't feel bad over issuing reports for botting to late starters. This. I report especially DD's which don't move in the first 30 seconds, DD's not moving in 30s means lost initial vision battle let alone if it's domination. AFK DD's are the worst of all.... Two last patches have destroyed my loading times. Before them I got to helm good 20 seconds before the round started,but now I never get into play before round has started. Sometimes I might be 2 minutes late. I make my living as graphics designer and usually change my rig every year. My current is less than 6 months old and can easily handle a bunch of adobe products running side-by-side while doing something that can cover a three-story building. Even stable 25Mb connection doesn't help. You call it excuse and I call it poor optimization. Reporting people with loading issues is really good way to make sure that reports don't really matter at all. WG gets swamped by silly reports and real botters/afkers get a free pass. If you're minutes late in my book you're effectively botting. Instead of ruining your team's chances to win battles, don't play if you can't load in time ( and try to get WG to fix w/e 'optimization' issue you think there is. I can't see you got a 'top of the line' rig, I only see my 5y old system loading with 40s to go, and my 8y old system which loads with 20 seconds to go. The reasoning behind being late don't really matter, you're hurting your team by pressing battle knowingly. So enjoy the reports, it's perfectly valid to report you for it. I've had the game freezing/not loading whenever I'm queuing for a battle. I don't know why. Any other internet application seemes to be functioning just fine, and there's no lag once the battle has finally loaded. The only solution then is to quit the game and reload both WoWS and the battle itself. That can easily take several minutes - both to realise and to do.In these cases I blame the client. You can blame me if you feel like it, but I really haven't done anything to deserve it. =) And people can't see that on your end so their reports are valid. It's up to WG to determine if you're being AFK often and with intent, if not the reports are ignored anyway. But you can't really blame the people doing the reports, they got every right to make them. Edited September 24, 2016 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IRQ] AnotherDuck [IRQ] Players 2,930 posts 7,510 battles Report post #18 Posted September 24, 2016 If you're minutes late in my book you're effectively botting. Instead of ruining your team's chances to win battles, don't play if you can't load in time ( and try to get WG to fix w/e 'optimization' issue you think there is. I can't see you got a 'top of the line' rig, I only see my 5y old system loading with 40s to go, and my 8y old system which loads with 20 seconds to go. So if you have some temporary problems you can't predict, you shouldn't play the game at all. What an incredibly selfish mindset. I usually load in time. After the last major patch, loading times have been worse by 20-40 s. Sometimes I don't load in time. Sometimes I don't load at all, and have to restart the game. One time I had to go answer the door in the middle of a match because apparently there's something called a "world" that exists outside the game. But sure, you use your reports for what you want, and I'll use my reports for what I want. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kastike Players 188 posts 3,803 battles Report post #19 Posted September 24, 2016 If you're minutes late in my book you're effectively botting. Instead of ruining your team's chances to win battles, don't play if you can't load in time ( and try to get WG to fix w/e 'optimization' issue you think there is. I can't see you got a 'top of the line' rig, I only see my 5y old system loading with 40s to go, and my 8y old system which loads with 20 seconds to go. The reasoning behind being late don't really matter, you're hurting your team by pressing battle knowingly. So enjoy the reports, it's perfectly valid to report you for it. I understand perfectly your reasoning for reporting player like me for botting. I just think that botting is something very different than having just technical issues. This is more of a WG's problem than yours or mine, either players like me should stop playing because one patch just doubled/tripled my loading times, or they should add better reporting options. I'd vote for removing "plays poorly" and changing it to "tries to play the game but can't - thus ruining other players' days" And as for my setup. It used to load just fine, but after 2 patches ago something went awry, can't tell what. Everything else runs fine but WoWs just started to get huge load times. There has been a lot posts in forums because of this, so I know I'm not alone. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #20 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) So if you have some temporary problems you can't predict, you shouldn't play the game at all. What an incredibly selfish mindset. I usually load in time. After the last major patch, loading times have been worse by 20-40 s. Sometimes I don't load in time. Sometimes I don't load at all, and have to restart the game. One time I had to go answer the door in the middle of a match because apparently there's something called a "world" that exists outside the game. But sure, you use your reports for what you want, and I'll use my reports for what I want. The truth is, it doesn't matter what YOUR reasons are, I have mine: you're late and therefore ruining my fun by lowering chances to win so I report you for it. If you 'only' do it because of technical issues but you do it it to often, I hope support will pick up on it, if you do it with intent I hope support will ban you. It's that simple. It's not selfish, it's selfish to think that people being late to the game ( for WHATEVER reason ) is not having in impact on EVERY OTHER GUY in the match. Not only your own team, but also the enemy. It's not selfish, because I am doing what I am supposed to do, report people who ruin the fun off others. Intent and what not, is not for me to determine but support. It's their job to see if they can be sure you're having technical issues ( at which time I STILL say: if you have, and you press battle anyway: enjoy your well deserved reports! ) or if you're consciously ruining the fun off others. edit: I understand perfectly your reasoning for reporting player like me for botting. I just think that botting is something very different than having just technical issues. This is more of a WG's problem than yours or mine, either players like me should stop playing because one patch just doubled/tripled my loading times, or they should add better reporting options. I'd vote for removing "plays poorly" and changing it to "tries to play the game but can't - thus ruining other players' days" And as for my setup. It used to load just fine, but after 2 patches ago something went awry, can't tell what. Everything else runs fine but WoWs just started to get huge load times. There has been a lot posts in forums because of this, so I know I'm not alone. That's indeed the point, if there are technical reasons people load late in game it is usually well known. I had those moments as well, with the same systems as I have now and which now load without issues. And partly I think this ofc is due to all the bot reports given to people loading in late ( JUSTIFIED reports again, since there is no difference from an observational view between 'loading issues' and 'botting' ). Either WG fixes the issue so people can play, or people who still have issue should just not play period. This is a team game, would you play another game knowing you're always going to be to late? Like some FPS where you're the medic, and your team needs you but you got 'loading issues' and you will only start the game minutes after the rest? I think THAT would be selfish, knowingly ruining the fun off other every other player in the match. Edited September 24, 2016 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IRQ] AnotherDuck [IRQ] Players 2,930 posts 7,510 battles Report post #21 Posted September 24, 2016 you're late and therefore ruining my fun by lowering chances to win so I report you for it. It's not selfish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #22 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) I press battle knowing I ruin the fun off everyone else in the game. It's not selfish... edit: to clarify -> And partly I think this ofc is due to all the bot reports given to people loading in late ( JUSTIFIED reports again, since there is no difference from an observational view between 'loading issues' and 'botting' ). If you can't see this, this whole discussion is pointless Edited September 24, 2016 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FIFO] ilhilh [FIFO] Beta Tester 2,451 posts 7,514 battles Report post #23 Posted September 24, 2016 Two last patches have destroyed my loading times. Before them I got to helm good 20 seconds before the round started,but now I never get into play before round has started. Sometimes I might be 2 minutes late. I make my living as graphics designer and usually change my rig every year. My current is less than 6 months old and can easily handle a bunch of adobe products running side-by-side while doing something that can cover a three-story building. Even stable 25Mb connection doesn't help. You call it excuse and I call it poor optimization. Reporting people with loading issues is really good way to make sure that reports don't really matter at all. WG gets swamped by silly reports and real botters/afkers get a free pass. My machine is about 1 year old but my previous one (4 years old?) had no problems either. If it took me 5 mins to get into a game that on average takes say 15 minutes then I wouldn't want to play it. If you are getting in consistently minutes into the game then you handicap yourself and your team and it would just spoil the fun for me. Even when I run the PT client on my 1TB HDD as opposed to my SSDs I still get into the game with 20 seconds left on the countdown. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] G01ngToxicCommand0 Beta Tester 2,177 posts 23,318 battles Report post #24 Posted September 24, 2016 Being able to take back reports is a good idea. While you should certainly exercise caution, mistakes do happen, and if it's something like that it's something you might want to fix. So you want to report people for having a laggy connection, a slow computer, or for simply playing a sometimes unstable game, even without mods? That's just one of the crap attitudes that plagues this game. Would be so much better if all that just disappeared. Then again, as far as I've heard, most bot reports are false anyway, and are treated as such by WG. Only chat violations have sanctions connected to them 'Botting' and 'Plays poorly' are only used to collect statistics and if you really want to report botters/afk'ers send in a replay or screenshot proving that a player is indeed vilotaing the EULA, I've done it several times and have gotten positive feedback from customer support. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IRQ] AnotherDuck [IRQ] Players 2,930 posts 7,510 battles Report post #25 Posted September 24, 2016 I press battle knowing I ruin the fun off everyone else in the game. It's not selfish...If you can't see this, this whole discussion is pointless That only holds true if you always only load in minutes into the game. And in that case, I wonder if you can even play decently. I have a six year old computer that's basically a crap work computer (although with a half decent graphics card), and I load just fine, most of the time. However, if it's something that only happens occasionally, no, it's not selfish. If it's a bot, why would there be such a delay to start to move? Granted, I don't know how crappy the bots are, but is there any problem at all to just start sailing when the game starts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites