About Winrate

[DefenceMaster]

Hello guys, i've been playing World of Warships for 3 weeks now, so i'm still quite new, anyways i've noticed that my Winrate is quite low, and that i often find myself in battles where no matter what i do, they look unwinnable, a thing that can be quite frustrating after a while when doing daily doubles and such. I've tried to check if there was something similiar to the WoT efficiency rating or whatever to see if in fact, i could be the problem, but according to Warships.today i'm classified as "Very good", so i was wondering how much impact do i actually have on the team, and if there's any tips to improve my games somehow?

And another question, i haven't ventured yet too much into Cruisers, and i was wondering what are the most newbie friendly lines and the most interesting ones.

 

Thanks in Advance.

[ColonelPete]

You just have 180 games. The random effect of teams is quite strong with such few games and many of your battles were in ships not fully equipped. When looking at the games in the last 9 days, you see that your winrating is improving (as shown in the charts on that page).

I would not worry too much.

 

Another page with charts:

http://wows-numbers.com/player/540317585,DefenceMaster/

Everything is going up.

[Kastike]

All of the above plus the fact that due rather random nature of this game you shouldn't really pay attention to win rate until you have something like 500 games played. With small sample size, margin of error tends to be huge.

[JiksTBS]

DefenceMaster,

 

I have to say you ARE very good for such a new player and across a whole bunch of ships & classes, too. Normally, looking at someone's stats it's pretty easy to spot a clue to a problem with their play (i.e. really high survival, low damage & main battery hit ratio poor = too passive) but I really can't see anything you are doing wrong. Whatever you are doing, keep on doing it! Like the others have said I wouldn't worry too much about WR yet. If you look on Warships Today, however, you will see yours is gradually going up as is your WTR.

 

Cruisers tier 5 and above are a bit tricky right now as there are a lot of BBs, their counter, around and at T5 in particular tend to get pretty nasty treatment from the MM. Not saying to avoid them but be prepared...

[Omnichr0n]

No need to worry... in the early tiers you get a lot more weird and random things going on as most players are not that good at cooperating and there is less room for doing tactically winning manouvers (imo).

 

Up to mid tiers you will quickly get a more stable WR with how you play. That being said, you can have bad days... I had 33% WR yesterday even though I did very well in each battle, and you might get into periods of time where your WR will drop (like I have now, dropping from 65% recent WR to 61%).

 

If you really want to win a lot, team up with 2 friends and you can start playing much more tactical and carry your teams to victory much more easily.

[XbodzioXplX]

i've been playing World of Warships for 3 weeks now

 

My mate that played 65000 battles in WoT with 63% winrate (unicum) is now trying his best in WoWs.

I give him a lot of lessons, learned how to shot, where to shot, how to gain XP, what to do and so on. And since he played so many battles in WoT he is not crapy player. But his winrate is now 44% after 250 battles (while mine is 57% after nearly 4000). 

 

So as you see even good players have bad start in this game.

My advice is to read, watch and learn. And learn a lot. This game is maybe simple (pew pew) but quite complex.

 

Read wiki (articles about captains, modes, ammunition, HP of a ships, ricochets): http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/World_of_Warships

Watch youtube: I prefer iChase how to https://www.youtube.com/user/ichasegaming

 

And play cuisers mostly now. You can learn how to shot and now the basic mechanism of the game. What nation? Not RU (while good guns they are not good in armour). Probably USN are the best for the start.

[Xevious_Red]

Don't worry about win rate to start with - mine has been holding steady between 57-59% over the last 1000 battles.

 

For the first 150 though I was on 38%

[mtm78]

Win rate only means something if you take into account why it's like it is. 

 

 

[Mr_Snoww]

as long as your win rate is above 50% it doesnt mean anything. you cant controll games by yourself. dont listen to anyone that moans about your win rate. 

[mtm78]

as long as your win rate is above 50% it doesnt mean anything. you cant controll games by yourself. dont listen to anyone that moans about your win rate. 

 

Why 50% then though, where is the 'cut-off'?

 

Maybe you mean that sub 50 you would be a 'bad' player, but being 'bad' or 'good' is also about perspective. Some people find themselves bad if they have daily results sub 60%'s or even 70%'s and others will be content with getting that 50% to break even. 

 

As long as people play to win to the best of their abilities, they are doing themselves right and that's all there is to it. Yes I sometimes '[edited]' on TS about the quality of my team members, but then again I am 100% I'm just as often the subject of such thought and outings of tremendous overwhelming love of the worst aspect of online gaming: other people 

[Tellann]

I dont belive there is a single player with WR over 70% (over 1000 battles) in random battles and solo play.

[mtm78]

I dont belive there is a single player with WR over 70% (over 1000 battles) in random battles and solo play.

 

https://eu.warships.today/player/527854049/EsaTuunanen -> solo 4k games 74% win rate...

 

It's in a Gremmy though  

 

 

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

 

https://eu.warships.today/player/527854049/EsaTuunanen -> solo 4k games 74% win rate...

 

It's in a Gremmy though  

 

 

 

He is really missing a lot in this game, I must say I don't understand why anyone would only ever play just one tank/ship and become super elite expert in it - I mean at some point there can't be any challenge or variation in the game experience though I must add that the Gremy is the ship to get such a ridiculus solo WR in

[ColonelPete]

Maybe he has a second account for other ships.

[Plaztma]

You are catching up good and youre score and winrate is good for a newbie. This game is a lot easier to learn fast ig youve played WOT before. AS for your question about cruiserlines I guess the US and IJN lines are the easiest for complete newbies, but since youve had some experience and is doing well I would really recomend russian cruisers. You allso have the gem Bogatyr on tier 3 that is a keeper, after that, for me it starts getting fun at Budyonny tier 6. A lot of players like Kirov as well, but it wasnt for me when i started playing the line, maybe it would do better now after a lot of games on this line.

[Tellann]

 

https://eu.warships.today/player/527854049/EsaTuunanen -> solo 4k games 74% win rate...

 

It's in a Gremmy though  

 

 

 

Ok, you got me there, but the guy is only playing 1 ship so its not representative to say that he is a good solo player. :-)

[Ferry_25]

Hey, I used to be "obsessed" by WR as well. Untill I figuered out it hardly is saying anything. It only means you were present in that % of won/ lost games. You'll find out there are losing streaks no matter how well you play (jump over torpedo's, tennisracket shells back into their citadels, being sued for the UN tribunal for warcrimes by sinking 6 ships etc) you will lose. On other matches you'll make mistakes which are uncomprehensible and yet your team still pulls it off to win. I know I've been in all mentioned situations. For most oxygen suckers like me the WR will middle out from 48-52% range. Play to win but don't bother about it. I've had tons of epic lost battles. As long as I'm having the felling "wow, this was an awesome match" I continue. Advice: call it a day if it's starting to frustrate.

[Ferry_25]

 

https://eu.warships.today/player/527854049/EsaTuunanen -> solo 4k games 74% win rate...

 

It's in a Gremmy though  

 

 

 

OMG!!! His/ her choice of course. But that seems SO boring!! I like the diversity. But that's my opinion though...

[Quetak]

Hey, I used to be "obsessed" by WR as well. Untill I figuered out it hardly is saying anything. It only means you were present in that % of won/ lost games. You'll find out there are losing streaks no matter how well you play (jump over torpedo's, tennisracket shells back into their citadels, being sued for the UN tribunal for warcrimes by sinking 6 ships etc) you will lose. On other matches you'll make mistakes which are uncomprehensible and yet your team still pulls it off to win. I know I've been in all mentioned situations. For most oxygen suckers like me the WR will middle out from 48-52% range. Play to win but don't bother about it. I've had tons of epic lost battles. As long as I'm having the felling "wow, this was an awesome match" I continue. Advice: call it a day if it's starting to frustrate.

 

I was thinking similar, but no more. I was playing very casual first 3k battles and never interested about stats. I never tried to understand game mechanics deeply. I was just sailing ships and shooting other ships and enjoying it. I must mention that this is my first WG experience (except aroud 3 battles in WoT). Im not military guy, never was in army or so.

I had around half year break from WoWs and after I came back this summer I started to watch some youtube videos to understand mechanics - armor, overmatch, dmg satuation ect. I also started to visit forum where you can find lots of great advices from experienced players (thank you all). And after that my win rate is not around 50% as was before break but more or less constantly above 60% for weeks. Mostly playing solo so divisioning is not affecting it. I believe thats only because im playing better and I have bigger impact on game result than before.

Ofc there are bad games where you do nothing and you can just hope in your team. But for longer time period is WR saying something.

You cant judge someone with 100 battles, but thousands battles are already saying something.

But all is based how serious is that person taking this game. If you realy want (not you exactly) you can definately rise your WR just by getting better.   

 

 

And 4k games in one ship?  crazy guy    

 

 

 

[Scawl_D_Balls]

DefenceMaster,

 

I have to say you ARE very good for such a new player and across a whole bunch of ships & classes, too. 

 

Yeah... For a new player, the dude is about 14/16% better than I was at the start 

 

That reminds me... I think my password is too short. 

I should change it. 

[ShuggieHamster]

just a few thoughts ... might work for you, they mostly do for me

 

if you are playing a lot and get into a losing streak ... STOP! You'd be surprised how long these things can go it you try to push through. frustration builds and you start making bad decisions. lose 2 or 3 in a row ... play another game, watch tv, read a book (on naval warfare! ;o)

ON the other hand if you are winning a lot ... KEEP GOING!

 

Look at other stats like survival %, average damage done, the new tanking damage stat ... they can give a good indication of how you are playing and if you are doing lots to help your team win or wither you are just farming stats

... dont stress securing kills. what I'm thinking of here is using a BB's broadside/CV TB drop to kill a crippled burning CL. its a waste of your big alpha damage better spent on crippling another CL or punishing a BB.

... If you die a lot you are a drain on your team no matter how much damage you do, you are costing the team points when you die and giving points to the enemy

... average damage done is a tricky one but if you are hitting things hard you are weakening the red team and a good thing. BUT this one isnt a be all and end all. you can do a butt tonne of damage to BBs but if those ships continue to fight after healing themselves, your efforts are wasted (ie ask others to kill secure ... I did that recently and had 2 CLs follow my BB around kill securing while I dished out big damage ... they also protected me from DDs)

[mtm78]

 

He is really missing a lot in this game, I must say I don't understand why anyone would only ever play just one tank/ship and become super elite expert in it - I mean at some point there can't be any challenge or variation in the game experience though I must add that the Gremy is the ship to get such a ridiculus solo WR in

 

I am trying to get him to buy the Leningrad ;)

Maybe he has a second account for other ships.

 

Not that I know of ;)

 

 

Ok, you got me there, but the guy is only playing 1 ship so its not representative to say that he is a good solo player. :-)

 

Let's be honest, Gremmy is really strong no doubt. But I guess if we gave him an Kamikaze R and let him play it for a few games he would do on par with his Gremmy performance ( aka, Gremmy isn't the only overperforming ship in the game ). Also, in order to be good even in 'just one ship', you still have to be good. That means your situational awareness is good, you tactical insight is good and your reactions are good.

 

Maybe it helps a bit if I say it myself; I play with him from time to time and his 'battle flow' predictions are usually more accurate than mine. 

 

 

OMG!!! His/ her choice of course. But that seems SO boring!! I like the diversity. But that's my opinion though...

 

I don't think Gremmy is a boring ship And there is diversity, in the ships you sink 

[Captain_Hook_]

 

https://eu.warships.today/player/527854049/EsaTuunanen -> solo 4k games 74% win rate...

It's in a Gremmy though  

 

I dont belive there is a single player with WR over 70% (over 1000 battles) in random battles and solo play.

 

 

almost 80%

mostly in Orlan

Orlan quote was higher than 80 percent now he switched to other ships

HARABURDA_1

2 556

79.58%

2 140

16 643

88 859 Orlan

1 934 St. Louis

[EsaTuunanen]

if you are playing a lot and get into a losing streak ... STOP! You'd be surprised how long these things can go it you try to push through. frustration builds and you start making bad decisions. lose 2 or 3 in a row ... play another game, watch tv, read a book (on naval warfare! ;o)

Three bad losses despite of being among top scorers of the match should be considered as sign, that it's better to stop playing for at least couple hours...

Unless wanting to get pissed and pooped on by matchmaker.

While MM can't anymore screw you with inequal teams ship wise, nothing prevents it from drowning you into losers who wouldn't qualify for handling citizenship, if it needed showing signs of brain functionality.

 

 

OMG!!! His/ her choice of course. But that seems SO boring!! I like the diversity. But that's my opinion though...

This isn't diverse enough for you?

Capping (if applicable to mode)

Hunting DDs. (guns/torps)

Hunting cruisers. (AP for citadel hits, HE, torps)

Hunting BBs. (AP, HE, torps)

Trying to find way to carry, pull and push loser teams.

 

Often there isn't much of empty time during match.

And if nothing else there's always the chance to start trying to guess if it's better to try pure gunboating or torpedo boating.

Not that work prevents minimap/situation checks from showing all the failbo(a)ts, losers and [edited]doing their utmost to help enemy team.

[Plaztma]

Well winrate is an indicator of how well you can carry games and if you have over 1000 games and the winrate i under 50% I think you should chack out some youtubevideos and try to improve. Just skip the ships that underperform and focus on the ones that do well, those are usually more fun to play too Of course dmg done, WTR, survival etc all counts, but you should keep over 50% winrate or atleast strive to get there. warshipstoday gives you a good indicator of what ships you do well in, play them a bit more and find higher tier ships that is similar in playstyle. If you like Kirov you will love all the comming ships, if you like Gnevny rest of that line is for you etc. If you dont know the lines or ships check internett or ask on this forum.