Italian ships

[SaleIrnum]

I ask on behalf of the many Italian players when they turned the ships of the Royal Italian Navy

[BlueMoon51]

the feeling seems to be a premium ship before the end of next year(maybe sooner)and a line not before 2018

[steviln]

I really think they should be included soon though. It was one of the worlds largest navies during the second world war and one of the navies whose ships actually had quite a few surface engagements against the Royal Navy. If it had not been Wargaming making the game, both France and Italy would have been added before Russia. 

[Spellfire40]

I really think they should be included soon though. It was one of the worlds largest navies during the second world war and one of the navies whose ships actually had quite a few surface engagements against the Royal Navy. If it had not been Wargaming making the game, both France and Italy would have been added before Russia. 

 

​The Question why a "so important" Navy isnt included amd it deserved more than yadayadayada was raised for the Royal Navy agan and again and again..... No Navy "deserves" to be in more than one other.

I share your setiment in the light that WoT dont have Italian Tanks but soon swedish ,-)) but thats a personal Preference not a "must be for historical reasons". Only WG decides that.

[BlueMoon51]

I agree with you personally I would have added them 5th ahead of the French and Russians, but there you go, I guess in defense of WOT mid and higher tiers was always going to be something of an issue (unless you use US clones, but they made a clone line with China so I suppose anything is possible)

[1MajorKoenig]

*edit* nvm 

[orlathebeast]

 

​I share your setiment in the light that WoT dont have Italian Tanks but soon swedish ,-))

 

plz don't repeat this. DON'T REPEAT THIS!

 

 

SAW? YOU MADE ME CRY!

[Bortasqu]

I was gonna write "WoT doesn't even have any Italian tanks after 6 years..." But then I saw someone already did write it, so I will write it again, just to amplify Wargamings dedication to Italian tanks.

[Pardinas_82]

Just play soviet cruisers, tiers V, VI, VII and VIII are Ansaldo designs. 

[Gatt]

I was gonna write "WoT doesn't even have any Italian tanks after 6 years..." But then I saw someone already did write it, so I will write it again, just to amplify Wargamings dedication to Italian tanks.

 

I was going to write the same things. After 6 years of krap and fantasy tanks in WoT I wont hold my breath for Italian ships in WoWS.

 

After ARP,  Poland, China and fantasy ships, I see WoWS going in the same direction.

 

A Dunkerque before a Vittorio Veneto? Pathetic. 

[Historynerd]

There's no point in discussing this. Unfortunately, when you can't bring much $$$ to a game, the game doesn't go in the direction you'd like, not fast enough anyway.

 

The only thing to do is to try to keep our cool and be mature about this.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll eat my keyboard a little more.

[Blizzard____]

 

plz don't repeat this. DON'T REPEAT THIS!

 

 

SAW? YOU MADE ME CRY!

 

[steviln]

 

​The Question why a "so important" Navy isnt included amd it deserved more than yadayadayada was raised for the Royal Navy agan and again and again..... No Navy "deserves" to be in more than one other.

I share your setiment in the light that WoT dont have Italian Tanks but soon swedish ,-)) but thats a personal Preference not a "must be for historical reasons". Only WG decides that.

 

On the other hand, the theme absolutely matters. A lot of players here are interested in naval warfare history, and then the navies that were historically significant and active are the most interesting to those kinds of players. When it comes to tanks, Italy is not that important, but in a naval game is certainly is important. Really, not having italian ships in a naval game would be like not having british tanks in a tank game. 

[steviln]

 

I was going to write the same things. After 6 years of krap and fantasy tanks in WoT I wont hold my breath for Italian ships in WoWS.

 

 

But the problem is that the fantasy tanks in WOT are not crap at all, but very often better than the tanks that dominated the battlefield in real life

[anonym_XGuN6pHmfiJ9]

It's a about how many Italians are playing WOWs (and WOT)? It's probably not a big group.

 

So if you want Italian ships in the game start telling your Italian friends to play this game a lot. 

[alkiap]

I'm neither japanese, nor russian, nor american, nor german, nor polish... yet I play all those ships.

Not that it matters, because WG trumps logic anytime

[steviln]

It's a about how many Italians are playing WOWs (and WOT)? It's probably not a big group.

 

So if you want Italian ships in the game start telling your Italian friends to play this game a lot. 

 

I think there are a lot of people playing american and japanese ships that are neither american nor japanese  

[BlueMoon51]

It's a about how many Italians are playing WOWs (and WOT)? It's probably not a big group.

 

So if you want Italian ships in the game start telling your Italian friends to play this game a lot. 

 

I'm not Austrian but I read pretty much anything I can find on the subject and would be really excited to see some of their ships in the game. So while the Italian playerbase might be small that doesn't mean it's introduction wouldn't be a success (I would argue that it would be much more popular in the EU and American servers than the Soviet line is) 

[warsinger2]

The Italians also build some pretty nifty aircrafts and some tanks worth of note, do you see an Italian tree in WoT or to quote a none WG brand Warthunder (yes there are some planes in WT but they do not have their own tree)? Do you know what you see? Swedish ones! Sweden was not even  an active member of WW1 or 2, yet they get ships planes and tanks from various companies, how asinine is that? 

[Ferry_25]

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[steviln]

The Italians also build some pretty nifty aircrafts and some tanks worth of note, do you see an Italian tree in WoT or to quote a none WG brand Warthunder (yes there are some planes in WT but they do not have their own tree)? Do you know what you see? Swedish ones! Sweden was not even  an active member of WW1 or 2, yet they get ships planes and tanks from various companies, how asinine is that? 

 

However, there is a problem with italian production and as far as I know development of tanks and airplanes stopped completely in 1943, and did not going again for quite some time. The "other" company stated they did not yet include italian trees because of lack of relevant high tier tanks and planes. When it comes to naval forces however, Italy were in the race for about the same time as other major combatants, since development and even construction of new battleships and to a large degree cruisers stopped at the end of WW2. 

[anonym_XGuN6pHmfiJ9]

 

I'm not Austrian but I read pretty much anything I can find on the subject and would be really excited to see some of their ships in the game. So while the Italian playerbase might be small that doesn't mean it's introduction wouldn't be a success (I would argue that it would be much more popular in the EU and American servers than the Soviet line is) 

 

 

I think there are a lot of people playing american and japanese ships that are neither american nor japanese  

 

I can only repeat what WG have said about ships coming in to the game

When asked about the why of the Polish DD. WG answered because of the large active Polish community
When asked why no Dutch/Turkish ships. WG answered the communities were to small for the moment.
Big Russian community = a lot of russian ships. Ofcourse Russian battleships were already planned in 2012.
And apparently the biggest community in WOWs are the Chinese by a mile. So they did some Chinese DDs. Probably a few more are coming well before the first Italian ship.  Same goes for some extra Polish ships. 

And my guess the Frensh community is considerably bigger than the Italian community = we have a Frensh ship.

But it's possible that tomorrow we will have an Italian ship ofcourse. But the info WG gave says otherwise.

[Runner357]

 

​The Question why a "so important" Navy isnt included amd it deserved more than yadayadayada was raised for the Royal Navy agan and again and again..... No Navy "deserves" to be in more than one other.

I share your setiment in the light that WoT dont have Italian Tanks but soon swedish ,-)) but thats a personal Preference not a "must be for historical reasons". Only WG decides that.

 

Maybe they choose those over the maybe the Italians because they have a unique construction and type of play style?

 

Sweden was active during WWII but not on anyones side directly. Ask the Finns if you don't believe me

[Historynerd]

​edit: Please don't get me wrong. I highly respect the Italian people for all the beauty they've given and are giving the world. Just don't start with "naval excellence." The last time Itally had a good navy was when they put JC on the cross....

 

Depends on what you considers qualify a Navy for being "good".

 

If it is having exactly the ships it needs in wartime and the exact kind and amount of training and equipment to fight the battles it has to, then the Italian Navy doesn't qualify.

If it is providing some quality contributions to naval engineering (among which the first pencilled down design for an all big-gun battleship, just to say the more prominent), building quite a bit of ships with good enough capabilities, fighting a campaign without having the right kind of ships and the right kind of training and equipment, yet not ending up totally wrecked or not collapsing as a fighting force in the first two months or so, then my educated guess would be that the Italian Navy might be considered for qualification.

 

I have nothing against trying to keep contact with reality and considering all aspects before passing judgements. However, I am also against making broad statements like yours. Let's not get out of an extreme by going to the other.

 

And I believe that, to someone who digs a bit deep, it becomes apparent that, overall, the contribution of Italian persons to the military arts is nothing to be sneezed at, without going all the way back to the Roman Empire.

Anyone knew that an Italian (Giovanni Cavalli) was one of the first people to create a successful muzzle loading rifled gun in the 1840s? Or that the British have to share the title of first to try a torpedo bomber with an Italian, Alessandro Guidoni?

 

We have more to be known for than just paintings, sculptures, and excellent food; exactly like the British have more to be known for than just the Royal Navy, Shakespeare and... well, less excellent food. XD 

[BlueMoon51]

 

 

I can only repeat what WG have said about ships coming in to the game

When asked about the why of the Polish DD. WG answered because of the large active Polish community
When asked why no Dutch/Turkish ships. WG answered the communities were to small for the moment.
Big Russian community = a lot of russian ships. Ofcourse Russian battleships were already planned in 2012.
And apparently the biggest community in WOWs are the Chinese by a mile. So they did some Chinese DDs. Probably a few more are coming well before the first Italian ship.  Same goes for some extra Polish ships. 

And my guess the Frensh community is considerably bigger than the Italian community = we have a Frensh ship.

But it's possible that tomorrow we will have an Italian ship ofcourse. But the info WG gave says otherwise.

 

I understand what they have said, However WG in my view are wrong and it shows the difference between a international company and one from the former soviet block. Playerbase doesn't necessarily translate to overall interest or adding anything to the game(the Russian ships might have a large player base and often OP but they don't seem popular and I without doubt  there will be nowhere near the spike in players following the introduction of Russian BB's that we got after German ones.