DD killing CV

[JBJ7]

I think that we must do something with the destroyers that they surround the map to kill the CV only.
The defensive AA fire was a great idea for the spammer CV (i would like that it to be available at all tiers).
I hope that we can do something with the destroyers also, they are noobs that they don't support their team for a long time, dont know how to play and want do one easy kill.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Lol, a DD killing a CV is their reward for getting to the soft underbelly of the enemy team. 

 

Plus any half decent CV player should know to scout for DD as they're the hard counter for them both in spotting and with their strike craft.

 

I love it when I ambush a CV with a fast BB, should something be done about that too?! 

[ColonelPete]

Its called spotting. CVs have planes for that.

And moving. CVs have engines for that.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Its called spotting. CVs have planes for that.

And moving. CVs have engines for that.

 

Yes the amount of CV players that are stationary or need their team to type "CV MOVE!!!!"  

 

A CV can get into some seriously advanced positions and even cap in a long game.

[AgarwaenME]

Besides a couple low tier and extremely slow USN CVs then a DD going after a CV is case of:

 

"I had planned to attack you, thanks for making my attack runs extra quick".

[JBJ7]

Guys. I'm not saying that we should do something against the destroyers that they kill cvs. 

Most of them do well, they take advantage of the gaps in the battle and immobile aircraft carrier.

I am against the destroyers that they surround the map only and dont support their team, they try kill CV only.

 

Nab DD player:

Good DD player:

[Pajosaurus]

And moving. CVs have engines for that.

 

Airfields most definitely don't have engines.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Guys. I'm not saying that we should do something against the destroyers that they kill cvs. 

Most of them do well, they take advantage of the gaps in the battle and immobile aircraft carrier.

I am against the destroyers that they surround the map only and dont support their team, they try kill CV only.

 

Nab DD player:

Good DD player:

 

Well yes, DD "should" be supporting the team but in a 12v12 not everyone is going to do as their told. Supporting a team makes more sense yes as they get more xp for capping etc but hey Random Battles eh?

 

It's just tough if a CV is taken out by a lone DD, it means they were simply not good enough to spot/bomb it out of existence...

[Shirakami_Kon]

Well, sure it takes a long time, but what part of killing the enemy CV is not supporting the team? It's quite a good contribution isn't it?

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Well, sure it takes a long time, but what part of killing the enemy CV is not supporting the team? It's quite a good contribution isn't it?

 

Yeah, if one DD can sneak by and kill a CV fairly early on in a 12 v 12 or even get some support from an allied CV then it puts the enemy team at a pretty big disadvantage.

 

No issues here imo 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I'm actually up for a bit of CV hunting when I play DD and I get blown up by the CV I'm going for probably about a 3rd of the time. Not totally defenceless, usually the team will atleast make some attempt to come to their aid and if the CV is an IJN one then you'll be cross torp dropped or something if the guy knows what they're doing.

[JBJ7]

Well, sure it takes a long time, but what part of killing the enemy CV is not supporting the team? It's quite a good contribution isn't it?

 

They travel a great distance.
When they kill the CV the game is half or nearly over.

I think that they better do their job spotting, capturing, fight with the enemies DD and fight with CA and BB after. I love to play with DD, and I do this, I support my team, to do otherwise is cowardly and novices. But It is just my opinion.

 

This would prevent, for example, if the range of the secondary weapon CV is increased.

[ColonelPete]

Well, sure it takes a long time, but what part of killing the enemy CV is not supporting the team? It's quite a good contribution isn't it?

 

If he is not using his firepower, spotting and capping for minutes, he is weakening his team.

If he is managing the kill, it is only a smal consolation price. IF ... he is manging it. Most mess up or get a kill when the match is decided anyway.

[Shirakami_Kon]

 

They travel a great distance.
When they kill the CV the game is half or nearly over.

I think that they better do their job spotting, capturing, fight with the enemies DD and fight with CA and BB after. I love to play with DD, and I do this, I support my team, to do otherwise is cowardly and novices. But It is just my opinion.

 

This would prevent, for example, if the range of the secondary weapon CV is increased.

 

Well, specially in low tiers I went plenty of times all the way around the map and nuked the enemy CV/CVs in the first 7 minutes of the match. The amount of CVs hiding almays behind the same islands over and over again doesn't help much, so it's the CVs fault too. The surprise is not where the CV would be hiding, the surprise is the CVs not being where they're expected to be all the match.

[RoyalColor]

Well, sure it takes a long time, but what part of killing the enemy CV is not supporting the team? It's quite a good contribution isn't it?

 

When a DD takes 10-15 minutes on a large map to sneak past enemy and kills CV, when the game is lost? I don't consider it worthy contribution. 

[JiksTBS]

So, story time: Earlier today I'm in my Minekaze in a tier 7 match because of course I am & the enemy Ranger, very sensibly, will not leave me in peace to do my thing.

 

I notice a gaping hole in the enemy lines & that the enemy planes are all vectoring off in the same direction. Proceed to gun down (well, 1 torp hit for 8K that didn't cause a flood, guy was not an idiot & the planes were spotting the torps as soon as I'd launched them) the full health CV while under constant air attack and while being shot at by a Russian DD & and a BB.

 

That guy had to go, our CV was long gone & I was the only one left alive who could remove him ... and that I managed to pull it off is somehow bad & should be punished? OP, I think you are mistaken!

[Shirakami_Kon]

 

When a DD takes 10-15 minutes on a large map to sneak past enemy and kills CV, when the game is lost? I don't consider it worthy contribution. 

 

That's why I said it's only specially worth in low tiers, since they have smaller maps and you actually don't waste that much time to go around the whole map since DDs also have speed boost, and the fact that you're 99% guaranteed to find the CV in the same exact spot every match prevents losing even more time.

[Comodoro_Allande]

And moving. CVs have engines for that.

 

Langley and Bogue don't agree  

[EsaTuunanen]

Well, specially in low tiers I went plenty of times all the way around the map and nuked the enemy CV/CVs in the first 7 minutes of the match.

That's still lot of time to count on team being competent enough to handle one ship disadvantage elsewhere...

In important areas of spotting enemies/enemy DDs and torps and harassing enemy's attack.

And lots of time for competent enemy to seriously damage your team.

 

While if enemy can't use that advantage chances already favor your team especially if that carrier player is dumb enough to get nuked "pants down"...

In which case he likely wouldn't have been that good at carrying team anyway if left to survive.

 

So, story time: Earlier today I'm in my Minekaze in a tier 7 match because of course I am & the enemy Ranger, very sensibly, will not leave me in peace to do my thing.

USN carriers are in notable disadvantage.

If it had been IJN carrier skilled player would have with good chance cross torped you to bottom before you got close.

[RoyalColor]

That's still lot of time to count on team being competent enough to handle one ship disadvantage elsewhere...

 

Thats huge disadvantage! Same with people who are fixated with changing lanes on Straight. They are completely useless for like half of the match. 

 

Aplies also to mid lane on Two Brothers

 

[Tomasberkut]

DD's certainly are the bane of my cv's I like to position my cv in a very agressive spots, usually when I do that my team calls me an idiot reminding me that cv is not for strike ;)

 

Even with planes spotting around me an occasional agressive dd slips by from time to time and belive me guys, when that happens I sweat bullets ;) 

 

I love DD's (and cv's fir that matter) trying to do the cv snipe only to find nothing there ;)

[JiksTBS]

USN carriers are in notable disadvantage.

If it had been IJN carrier skilled player would have with good chance cross torped you to bottom before you got close.

 

This is very true, Esa. In the Minekaze I can avoid a double drop 9 times out of 10 but it certainly would have made it harder, a lot harder in fact.

 

However in an IJN DD, when it gets to point in the match where the CV plonks a fighter squadron on your head, you've got two choices: run back to an ally with decent AA or go sink the blighter. Otherwise, absolutely nothing will be achieved & eventually you will be sunk by gunfire. I loath going out of position to chase down a CV but sometimes it's the only viable thing to do. One benefit is that often, as in this case today, several enemy ships will also be dragged out of position trying to rescue the carrier.

 

Back to the OP: needless, protracted CV hunts are already punished by the DD not being available to do all the other things a team rightly expects it to be doing, there's no need to alter the game mechanics ...

[ColonelPete]

 

Langley and Bogue don't agree  

 

Believe me, even they can move out of the way. Move at the start of match.

[EsaTuunanen]

One benefit is that often, as in this case today, several enemy ships will also be dragged out of position trying to rescue the carrier.

That happens only when enemy lemming trains and carrier doesn't follow near team.

Otherwise there should be some cruiser/gunboat reasonably close unless team has already taken lots of losses.

 

With destroyer spotted sinking part can be done without need to slow part of DD hunting to get inside detection radius of it.

Like this:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/uwqd03b3j2ofsr6/AACziIPOFnBbO2Ye6M7dlVrGa?dl=0

Kinda wonder if that's the longest distance destroyer gun hit to Minekaze...

[wongman66]

I think that we must do something with the destroyers that they surround the map to kill the CV only.
The defensive AA fire was a great idea for the spammer CV (i would like that it to be available at all tiers).
I hope that we can do something with the destroyers also, they are noobs that they don't support their team for a long time, dont know how to play and want do one easy kill.

 

You are forgetting about whether the DD is bottom tier and the number of gunboat DDs around or game mode etc. These are factors I would also consider whether to make a map edge ninja attempt.

 

Irrespecitve whether you play DD/CV/BB/CA, you need to assess the enemy team and your own capabilities to ensure you are effective in battle.