bayern; get or skip

[chaosrealm93]

im a short distance from getting out of T5, should i play through the bayern or XP through it? and is the T7 any good?

 

i hear the guns are big, but inaccurate, so.................. kongo

is it really that bad? or is just blown out of proportion?

 

anything else i should know about the ship?

[Srle_Vigilante]

Who told you that nonsense. Bayern is amazing. Might be inaccurate at long range but german battleships are not meant for sniping. 

 

The Gneisenau on the other hand is the worst one Tier by Tier imo. But it's not bad.

[Admiral_noodle]

Play the ship. Free XP the hull upgrade. Brawl.

 

You'll do better Vs. Battlesheeps than cruisers because overpens. Especially lower tier cruisers. You'll go right through those.

 

She's nothing like a Kongo.

[Shirakami_Kon]

I got my Bayern today, the only problem I see is the amount of times you end against tier 8 and the range without upgrading because I can't free XP anything when everyone at tier 8 stays out of range of you and has better range.

 

About the guns I don't see any problems, the first time I got in range to shoot at something I shot a New Orleans and the first thing I did with my Bayern was two citadels, so I don't see any problems there. With Aiming systems mod I don't see anything weird with dispersion, but I just made 2 or 3 battles, so maybe I just have to play with her more, but so far I don't see anything that bad.

[krautjaeger]

I've found the German BBs to be huge fun, and at tier 5 now in the regular tree. Wouldn't skip one for the world.

 

[BadGene616]

Bayern is great. Don't expect your damage to come from citadels constantly, rather your survivability let's you score solid consistent damage over the battle through regular pens.

 

Tempted to say it's a keeper if you like to brawl. Larger calibre guns than most t6 bbs let's you exploit over match as well.

 

Saved your free experience for upgrading modules. It's not all about a race to higher tiers.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

im a short distance from getting out of T5, should i play through the bayern or XP through it? and is the T7 any good?

 

i hear the guns are big, but inaccurate, so.................. kongo

is it really that bad? or is just blown out of proportion?

 

anything else i should know about the ship?

 

why are you even asking that question? Never skip a ship. 1) with every new ship, you learn something new 2) skipping ships only gets you to a higher tier before you know what you are doing.

[havaduck]

 

Bayern is great driving me mad. Don't expect your damage to come from citadels constantly, rather your survivability let's you score solid consistent damage over the battle through regular pens.
 

 

This, and fixed.

 

The hull is great. The guns arent. (Oh god they suck!)

 

 

The best way I found so far to play Bayern is to cautiously creep around outside effective gun range (thats inside effective gun range for every other T 6 BB ) and try to delete cruisers. (Everything in this game can deal massive damage to cruisers. If there ever is a ship out there that practically cant harm them you know you fount the ultimate turd to end all other turds). Being so close should allow your team (the none cowards ofc) to work their magic on the enemy undistrubed.

After that, even if DD are still around, you then proceed to get even closer, .... merciless and reckless. You either die or crush the enemy.

 

 

The thing you have to master is that you dont do damage bursts at distance, and you dont do damage burst close up. So you have to be close to be able to hit and pen things (<10km, better yet <8 km), but on the other side you are supposed to live long enough for the random non-cit AP spam to mount up over time.

 

Thats a pradox here, but once the rush to german BBs has died down, I can see the Bayern to be a very valuable ship in a division (basically everything a NM can do anyway .... but worse ). See yourself as some sort of shitty "Rook" that can only kill enemy figures 2 spaces away and only overtime like 6 moves.

 

 

[chaosrealm93]

 

why are you even asking that question? Never skip a ship. 1) with every new ship, you learn something new 2) skipping ships only gets you to a higher tier before you know what you are doing.

 

the shchors taught me to hate it

[SFCGunny313]

With 50 battles now in the Bayern (and just now unlocked and moving onto the Gneisenau), here are my observations:

- Matchmaking - not as bad as you might initially think.  Pay attention to the map, and try to stay away from those Bismarcks and their brutal secondaries - but, all those HE spamming cruisers and DDs will give you fits of rage.

- Fire - let's address this now.  It seems the deck was outfitted with balsa wood, or possibly cedar, because this ship is constantly on fire.  Doesn't seem to matter if it is a full salvo of HE, a single shell, or a random spark in the air.  Good news though, you'll get a few Dreadnaught awards!

- Accuracy - been addressed.  Get into brawling range - but even then, be prepared to watch half your shells land short, and the other half sail over the top of enemy ships.  But when it hits, it hits hard.

- AA - decent enough, and combined with decent maneuverability, you are not an easy target for CVs

 

Overall, I wanted to like this ship, but in the end, I felt every bit of the grind.  It wasn't a ship I looked forward to playing and I won't keep it in port.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

didnt liked Bayern, if u have free xp dont waste time on it

[piet11111]

Adored the bayern i would use that free xp to unlock modules on the gneisenau the one bb that is the stinker of the line so far.

With the modules unlocked its faster then the scharnhorst has better AA and secondaries but its guns are still meh.

[Kikkeliina]

After König it feels bit in-between ship, especially when hover cursor over Gneisenau and see all that wonderful green in stat bars, but sometimes it has its moments of glory.

So.. a playable ship, personally didn't use any free xp on it (got this habit to Elite ship before getting next tier one).

[T_H_0_R]

Loved the Bayern, Gneisenau feels borderline OP IMHO.

[Runner357]

Third beat ship in the German BB line after Kurfürst and Bismarck.

Support your DDs and cruisers and communicate with your team that you intend to attack and get close to the enemy and she's hard to stop IMO.

 

Get heeeer!

[Hades_warrior]

Who told you that nonsense. Bayern is amazing. Might be inaccurate at long range but german battleships are not meant for sniping. 

 

The Gneisenau on the other hand is the worst one Tier by Tier imo. But it's not bad.

 

I heard opposite. Bayern - sucks, Gneis - great ship. And that was experience from many people.

For Bayern I believe it becuz I play that ship for last few days and it really sucks.

 

German ships are usualy great, and good armor as I noticed, but Bayern lack of everything. Sadly it is required to progress to t7+ so I have to play it in order to get Gneis that I want.

[OldGrandad]

The Bayern is like a 100kg street brawler, swings wildly hoping to get that sucker punch but meanwhile can take a lot of hits without being hurt. I personally did not like her due to the wildly inconsistent dispersion, I would have gladly given up a little of its ability to take punishment for some more consistent dispersion. (One example from last night, cruiser on 1500hp emerges from behind an island at 5km. I fire one turret, one shell fell well below the waterline, the other shot a seagull out of the air. Had to fire the last three turrets to ensure the kill!).

 

It surely is a personal decision to free XP her but advice is to play a few battle first, you can always free XP the rest if you truly do not get on with her.

[blaster1112]

The Bayern is a great ship, it's slow at 24.5 knots but it's a very good ship. It's guns are tirpitz like (slightly lower muzzle velocity and therefore pen, but it's 2 tiers lower).

The gneisenau om the other hand is a lot faster and has the guns from Tirpitz, it's fas and has good armor BUT only 6 guns make it really RNG based, I didn't like it, I preferred Bayern.

 

Just unlocked Bismarck (working on getting the captain now in my Tirpitz).

[Z_OnkelE]

The Bayern is a great ship, it's slow at 24.5 knots but it's a very good ship.

 

Just to put her speed into perspective:

 

Arizona/New Mexico: 21    kn

Warspite:                  23.5 kn

Fuso/Bayern:            24.5 kn

Dunkerque:              29.5 kn

 

I don't think her speed is an issue directly, compared to other BBs. But with this level of speed she needs to close the distance to an effective range. The Fuso with pretty much the same speed doesn't care about range and makes up for her gun performance by sheer number of shells and spraying them all over the place.

[CLyDeThaMonKeY]

König was meh, but Bayern and Gneisnau was superfun. Both have crappy guns accuracywise tho but when u get into brawling range the accuracy isnt that bad. I still have the Bayern but sold the Gneis and König for the Bismarck

[Venom_Too]

@ chaosrealm93

 

So after looking up your Ships.

 

Its pretty similar in the New Mexiko Playstyle.. Really good Brawler getting better the closer you get to the Enemy.

 

Overall decent Ship, and if you liked the Bayern you also will like the Warspite... They are also pretty similar, with some diffrences.

 

To the Gun Question, yes at Max Range the Bayern can be Bitching around, like every other T6 Battleship

[blaster1112]

 

Just to put her speed into perspective:

 

Arizona/New Mexico: 21    kn

Warspite:                  23.5 kn

Fuso/Bayern:            24.5 kn

Dunkerque:              29.5 kn

 

I don't think her speed is an issue directly, compared to other BBs. But with this level of speed she needs to close the distance to an effective range. The Fuso with pretty much the same speed doesn't care about range and makes up for her gun performance by sheer number of shells and spraying them all over the place.

 

I know she isn't the slowest BB at tier 6 and i know she isn't the fastest. I was just saying in general a top speed of 24.5 kn isn't very fast. If you have to give chase to anything not a US BB or Fuso/warspite you are unlikely to catch it.

Bayern has very strong guns for her tier and great armor as well (as do most german BBs)

[SailingDutchy]

Only the MM is [edited]the bayern in terms of CV that is the most time tier 7 of 8

[Comrad_StaIin]

both Bayern and Gneisenau are the best BBs at their Tier imo

[ilhilh]

I'm only 3 games into my Bayern (free XP B hull) so I have limited experience but I enjoyed 2 games where I performed well and had a 3rd game where everything missed but my team collapsed anyway so it didn't matter so much.  I just unlocked the FCS but haven't played a game with the extra range and I need to get the propulsion but it is only 5k XP so shouldn't take long.

 

I don't believe in skipping ships so I can't make myself recommend that route but the Bayern escapes some of the atrocious MM that is sucking the fun out of tier 5 at the moment.  The Konig is a decent ship and I got her to perform pretty well but it is my worst BB win rate of any that I have grinded through to elite.  That extra tier higher seems to drag you away from this soul-destroying bottom tier slug fest where you really struggle to carry as much as you need to do in many games.

 

I expect this will be a less painful grind than the Konig and the hit and miss accuracy should get me prepped for the Gneisenau as well