How to make play CV impossible

[OOAndreasOO]

Today, paying my Riujo, i sent 2 squadrons of Dive bombers upon a Gneisenau (tier  7 BBS).

 

In a bit of time both two squadrons were killed down...not just a single planes approach the BBS!!!!!!

 

Then i went to see how much AA power has Gneisenau.....AND I READ 64

 

Now i let you compare 64 AA power with:

Cleveland tier 6.......56

Pensacola tier 7......46

New Orleans tier 8...49

Baltimore tier 9........68

 

A TIER 7 BBS HAVE A AA POWER COMPARABLE WITH A TIER 9 AMERICAN CRUISER???????????????????????

 

HOW YOU THINK A TIER 6 CV CAN APPROACH THESE SHIPS???????

 

AND THAT'S NOT ALL

 

BISMARK TIER 8 HAVE A AA POWER 62

 

For your knowledge, dear WOWS developer, BISMARK WAS stopped by a squadron of OLD SLUGGHISH SWORDFISH

 

How you think 5 slow Swordfish biplane could approach Bismark if she had so lot AA defence?
 

I cant approache her with Kates or Vals and slow English Swordfish biplane did it?

 

THEN IN SUMMARY:

Now all are playing german BBS, with inconcenvaible AA power. Use planes is became impossible and play CV over tier 5 too.

 

 

[PuKama]

So ?

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Ryujo has serious issues facing higher tiers as it doesn't have a big hanger of reserve planes.

 

Being in T8 games as T6 CV simply isn't fun.

 

Sure you can hunt DD, and you can wait until the ships have used their defensive fire/had AA guns knocked out by HE but it is still an unpleasant experience.

[ColonelPete]

Are your planes stock?

Or he had maxed out AA.

Attacking Gneisenau with Ryujo is not really my preference, because I know his AA his strong, but when forced to do it I was able to bring in more than half my planes in and do serious damage to him.

[periscope_up]

It's a great thing that Wargaming has encouraged players to use CVs during this weekend.. Now a lot of them will realize how terribly broken the AA is on higher tiers.

[LiKwId]

Was going to go into length but its late.

 

Most BB's won't turn to avoid regular torps, if your bottom or low tier cv, simply launch your torps from further away or find a softer target.

(Hint, CV is a dd's worst nightmare, even if you don't kill it if you keep it detected your team will!)

[Runner357]

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[Fionia_DK]

 

The good CV players think about winning, not so much damage. Find and light up DDs. DDs is a great part of enemys eyes.

Look for enemy ships that have been HE spammed, they have certainly lost AA-guns. If not urgent, wait attacking Gneisenau and other AA strong ships.

Play smart!

 

[StringWitch]

simulator

 

Third-person shooter with ship models. Not saying there's anything necessarily wrong with this, but really that's what the game is.

[Runner357]

[Kysmet]

He has a point in that BBs currently are so well rounded they have few weaknesses. With the introduction of the heavy cruisers, they're now also inching into the movement and maneuverability domains of CA and DDs.

There really isn't much left that the BB line is not best at currently.

 

I know, it's a wave motion, and in time they'll get nerfed, but right now, BBs are riding the apex of their wave. They are at present by far the 'best' class ingame.

 

I can agree that facing an enemy two tiers higher is pretty lethal for you planes, but there's another matter altogether.

[Krogort]

It's a great thing that Wargaming has encouraged players to use CVs during this weekend.. Now a lot of them will realize how terribly broken the AA is on higher tiers.

 

Why do you think high tier CV have close to a hundred planes in reserve.

Suck for the uptiered CV though.

[halfik]

OP is right.

Same example is Texas vs any other T5 cs.

 

Its ridiculous that BS have now more AA that cs.

WGN made bs good vs bs, cs, cs and dds.

There is no point to play cs any more, bs dont need your support that much (compared to CB).

On high tier cvs are also screwed, same as ijn dds.

[ColonelPete]

OP is right.

Same example is Texas vs any other T5 cs.

 

No, not really.

If Texas had the speed of fighters and could be everywhere on the map, then yes, it would be problematic.

But many CV captains do not seem to know that they can fly their planes AROUND problematic enemy ships and attack OTHER ships. I know, that is a radical concept for many people, but they should try it!

 

On the other hand, why bother? I own a Texas. Just continue to attack me with planes!

[_GrimLock__]

Dont get me wrong cv's have some issues,but when i see a lexi or shok going balls deep on my kutuzov and then they complain "OMG wg nerfed cv,i lost all my planes" have to break it to you ,youre doing something wrong.

[liquidGG]

The introduction of more and more strong AA ships will wipe out the last remaining CV players or cripple this aspect of the game to a point where it is nonexistent.

 

AA modules or AA captain skills? not needed.

AA cruiser line or ships? not needed.

 

It simply takes out one portion of gameplay which could bring alot of variety and tactical deepness to the game.

[khazz_1]

It's a great thing that Wargaming has encouraged players to use CVs during this weekend.. Now a lot of them will realize how terribly broken the AA is on higher tiers.

 

I am  glad we have a defense against bombers mainly because most CV's I run into are running bombers only and no fighters. There is nothing worse then  giving the enemy almost free reign to bomb the hell out of us.

 

[_GrimLock__]

Cmon i see plenty of times.They see a aa spec nc and amagi and they go for the nc because, as one of my friend once said,"reasons"

[aboomination]

AA is the only counter to air strikes apart from your own CV. Of course cruisers and BB could stick together but in random battles this will/would never happen.

Also those AA ratings mean nothing. If you want to make a case pick the actual dps values and the size of their bubbles.

[EvilDevil]

Yesterday I bought my long-time researched Ryujo and got into battle. Team had a [edited]Independence and all other ships were with insane levels of AA. So if by any luck I got past the retardedly OP fighters I was welcomed with some nice imba AA. In the end all my planes got melted before I could even drop and had 7k damage in the whole battle. Had so much fun.

 

Great way to screw your customers. First IJN DDs nerfs and now IJN CVs nerfs. When my premium expires I'm most probably going to quit. Hope you lose most of your customers and have BB only battles as it seems you cater to them. [edited]retarded company, hope you go bankrupt.

[ColonelPete]

My Ryujo game yesterday:

 

Icon	Name	Tier	Type	Nation	Battles	WR	Dmg ▼	XP	K/D	Sh☠	Pl☠	Srv	MBH	TH	WTR
	Ryujo	6	CV	Japan	1	100.00%	87,340	2,015	∞	1.0	3.0	100%	0%	0%	1,601

[aboomination]

Yesterday I bought my long-time researched Ryujo and got into battle. Team had a [edited]Independence and all other ships were with insane levels of AA. So if by any luck I got past the retardedly OP fighters I was welcomed with some nice imba AA. In the end all my planes got melted before I could even drop and had 7k damage in the whole battle. Had so much fun.

 

Great way to screw your customers. First IJN DDs nerfs and now IJN CVs nerfs. When my premium expires I'm most probably going to quit. Hope you lose most of your customers and have BB only battles as it seems you cater to them. [edited]retarded company, hope you go bankrupt.

 

TBH your performance is very consistent, regardless the class of ship you play. And yes, you had a bad first game in your first mid tier CV. That's where the safe space for CV ends.

Also CV have a very high skill ceiling and you are new to the game. Looks like the enemy CV gained air superiority and trashed you. 

[cro_pwr]

No, not really.

If Texas had the speed of fighters and could be everywhere on the map, then yes, it would be problematic.

But many CV captains do not seem to know that they can fly their planes AROUND problematic enemy ships and attack OTHER ships. I know, that is a radical concept for many people, but they should try it!

 

On the other hand, why bother? I own a Texas. Just continue to attack me with planes!

 

Could you please provide us with some kind of replay or something to show our bad CV captains how to properly avoid them AA ships?

[Tigdam]

Its not just the Ryujo, AA is broken when it comes to higher tier, unless you're in a tier 10 carrier you're going to struggle. The example I like to use is how I send my entire air group to attack a Tirpitz, the fighters to cover. Before they even got there a cruiser from more than 10kms away activated his Anti Aircraft cooldown and all 24 aircraft were destroyed within three seconds, saw him pulled directly away but still, three seconds flat to kill a t8 carriers flightgroup. AA is broken at higher tiers, went from doing 80-144K DMG with my hiryu to barely scraping between 20-60 and only 60 if there aren't many cruisers or high tier battleships around. The AA cooldown needs to be reworked for higher tiers and AA in general for mid to high tier needs a complete revamp. There are even some ships from what I've read on forums that can surpass that 100 rating on AA with various captain skills and upgrades.

[avenger121]

more than 10kms away activated his Anti Aircraft cooldown and all 24 aircraft were destroyed within three seconds

 

Here we see the average pubbie in his natural habitat, spreading búllshit which is completly made up.