[D-V-L] Budslayer Players 39 posts 57,416 battles Report post #1 Posted September 10, 2016 getting tired of playing most of the the time against MM 2 tier up. if i end up in i game if there 2 tier up to bad for the rest i go port. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #2 Posted September 10, 2016 Scum. /topic 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TCLS] Lukewehr Players 243 posts 33,378 battles Report post #3 Posted September 10, 2016 Confirmation bias ftw , look it up , i guess that is your problem. Start writing down the battle tier for all of your future matches and when you come to a statistically relevant number you will see how math is adding up. (unless you are playing 5-6 tier cause they have a special MM) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #4 Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) Two tier difference is an issue ( Especially in high tiers ) and people are making a mistake in making it look simple. I'm okay with 1 tier difference, but not two. Edited September 10, 2016 by ABED1984 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXx_Blogis_xXx Alpha Tester, Players 5,335 posts 35,510 battles Report post #5 Posted September 10, 2016 troll topic , u will ways face +2 mm so Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_GrimLock__ Players 371 posts 8,020 battles Report post #6 Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) Well lets face it if u control face +2 mm then it should be like a walk in a park when u are top tier Edited September 10, 2016 by Brkdelta Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #7 Posted September 10, 2016 Looking at the ships you play mostly: Minekaze: 714 battles, Phoenix: 610 battles... So yeah, you play lower tiers a lot, thus you will face +2 and -2 (although your safe in your phoenix). But if all you want to do is sealclub in your minekaze, don't complain here about +2 MM. With that amount of battles you should know how to handle that ship ( and have a 15 points captain ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXx_Blogis_xXx Alpha Tester, Players 5,335 posts 35,510 battles Report post #8 Posted September 10, 2016 and btw tell me , when u top tier how about other players that is low tier in that game ? should they complain that u top tier ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FOCO] Wenceslas Alpha Tester 110 posts 2,972 battles Report post #9 Posted September 10, 2016 I suspect the problem may be between the chair and the keyboard. Usually when I see people complain about the match making it tends to be people who haven't got a clue what they're doing, even though they've played enough matches that they should. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #10 Posted September 10, 2016 getting tired of playing most of the the time against MM 2 tier up. Are you mostly playing tier 5? Just curious! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-OOF-] ollonborre Beta Tester 2,598 posts 12,758 battles Report post #11 Posted September 10, 2016 Two tier difference is an issue ( Especially in high tiers ) and people are making a mistake in making it look simple. I'm okay with 1 tier difference, but not two. But if you compare it to WoT it's really not an issue. +-2 MM in this is good I feel, since even as bottom tier you are never truly useless. Hell this game worked when the MM was +3, thanks to how the game works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rufus_Roughcut ∞ Players 98 posts Report post #12 Posted September 10, 2016 If I read a thread of a self confessed AFK'er I just report and go back to the main page. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MIMI] Kruzenstern Beta Tester 1,133 posts 5,975 battles Report post #13 Posted September 10, 2016 Even though the OP is a jerk for just quitting, especially when he is a Minekaze which really has no problem with tier7 battles, there definitely is a problem with the MM at tier5, maybe related to battleships. Grinding my divisionmates König yesterday, we did 13 battles, and 11 of them were tier 7. And we weren't even two BBs, I was in a DD most of the time. Actually in the combination Gremlin/König we got 9/9 tier7s, in the combination Texas/König we got 2/2, and only when I took the Kamikaze did we get one tier 5 match and one tier6 match. And before that I did three solo battles in my König to finish it, and they were all tier7 as well. And this is just the most extreme day I noticed and actually documented, in the past week it also felt like we got 70% tier7 matches with tier5 ships. I know this is a consequence of WG easing tier3 and tier4 MM, but if they do something like that they really need to see to it that some other tier doesn't get crapped on afterwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JiksTBS Players 255 posts 13,157 battles Report post #14 Posted September 10, 2016 If you play T5 a lot, which I do, you will indeed get up tiered a lot. One thing to bear in mind is, often, only a few ships will be top tier so it's no where near as bad as it looks. I have no problem with the way the MM has changed to protect T3 &T4 ships as it means I don't have to suffer pangs of guilt over possible seal clubbing. Also, if you are in a DD, especially a Minekaze, there is simply no excuse for moaning about being bottom tier. Honey Badger Minekaze don't care! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #15 Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) But if you compare it to WoT it's really not an issue. +-2 MM in this is good I feel, since even as bottom tier you are never truly useless. Hell this game worked when the MM was +3, thanks to how the game works. I don't like making comparisons and from what I read in the chat I always find players crying being a bottom tier and I really know their feeling. For example, I saw T6 CVs fighting in a T8 battle and their planes were really pathetic. My Amagi which isn't that of a big deal in AA tear T6 CV planes apart, And the same thing happens to Cruisers. I was sailing in my Izumo while a desperate Shchors were trying to burn my ship but of course he was wise enough to run away from battle. The 2 difference really hurts CVs and CAs more than any other classes. Edited September 10, 2016 by ABED1984 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #16 Posted September 10, 2016 getting tired of playing most of the the time against MM 2 tier up. if i end up in i game if there 2 tier up to bad for the rest i go port. Get banned quickly plox. /thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daki Weekend Tester 1,677 posts 20,271 battles Report post #17 Posted September 10, 2016 Pathetic OP... If you are so upset with +-2 MM, go play your premiums (or mid tier cruisers) with preferential MM. Or did you just come here to troll an be flamed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #18 Posted September 10, 2016 Are you mostly playing tier 5? Just curious! It's very bad today with every battle +2 and all those Hiryus and skillzord Saipans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #19 Posted September 10, 2016 It's very bad today with every battle +2 and all those Hiryus and skillzord Saipans. Yet, we don't exit to port forum and create whine topics left right and center telling everyone we don't like it and therefore are allowed/entitled to exit battles right away Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strikken75 Beta Tester 42 posts 2,204 battles Report post #20 Posted September 10, 2016 I wouldnt quit a match, but today has been fucked up. All 3 matches in my König was Tier 7, 2 of them I was the ONLY non tier 7, not easy grinding a ship when it's like this. And for all the people now checking my stat, yes I have played for some time, and no, I am not primarely a BB captain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-OOF-] ollonborre Beta Tester 2,598 posts 12,758 battles Report post #21 Posted September 10, 2016 I don't like making comparisons and from what I read in the chat I always find players crying being a bottom tier and I really know their feeling. For example, I saw T6 CVs fighting in a T8 battle and their planes were really pathetic. My Amagi which isn't that of a big deal in AA tear T6 CV planes apart, And the same thing happens to Cruisers. I was sailing in my Izumo while a desperate Shchors were trying to burn my ship but of course he was wise enough to run away from battle. The 2 difference really hurts CVs and CAs more than any other classes. And from what I have seen the same people that complain about being bottom tier are the same players that will still find things to complain about when top tier (to many DD/BB/CL, CV unbalanced, I'm stock etc etc) The only ship class I can agree on is tier 6 and possibly tier 7 CV's. Tier 6 CV's are almost helpless vs tier 8 AA. But cruisers? Not really IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #22 Posted September 10, 2016 Yet, we don't exit to port forum and create whine topics left right and center telling everyone we don't like it and therefore are allowed/entitled to exit battles right away Well, no. Crap mm for tier 5 is ongoing problem and the CV event will pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HEROZ] GulvkluderGuld Players 3,467 posts 22,114 battles Report post #23 Posted September 10, 2016 Confirmation bias ftw , look it up , i guess that is your problem. Start writing down the battle tier for all of your future matches and when you come to a statistically relevant number you will see how math is adding up. (unless you are playing 5-6 tier cause they have a special MM) Not just bias. There is a real difference on tier 5, and he plays tier 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #24 Posted September 10, 2016 Well, no. Crap mm for tier 5 is ongoing problem and the CV event will pass. Not just bias. There is a real difference on tier 5, and he plays tier 5 Guess it's a good time to play tier 7's, or it feels like it. I guess WG EU will not publish tier population and player retention rate's but I am quite curious to the effect off the changes to make low tiers more accessible to new players, to what extend have they worked and what 'side-effects' have been there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #25 Posted September 10, 2016 what 'side-effects' have been there? I know two new players which got few 5-6 ships before the MM change. They unsurprisingly stopped playing at all. Small sample, but still. The whack in the head at tier 5 is much stronger to them than before, because before it wasn't uptiering all the time. On a plus, the horrible tier 3+2 MM disappeared. I do think the answer would be to had +2MM all across the board back, but at the same time: 1. Lessen the differences between the lower tiers, for example tier 3 is way more inferior to 4 than tier 9 is to 10. 2. Maybe give some modifier to MM to equalize the amount of uptiering and downtiering per player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
